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reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 11:33 AM by Silcone Synapse

I found another cool video,of a similar cloud phenonena of the coast of Japan:

Heres a pic:

And the video is here:

www.pinktentacle.com...

A strange but natural cloud formation(IMO).

Love to see some.

"Cloud streets":

en.wikipedia.org...

Edit:
I found this page as well,with lots of great info/pics on contrails/aviation smog:

Aviation-smog, caused by air traffic at great heights may have undesirable consequences for weather, climate and the quality and quantity of the Sun's radiation that reaches the surface of Earth. In the discussion about radiative forcing, greenhouse effect and global warming, this deserves more attention.

—Contrails and Aviation Cirrus In just a few hours a contrail that begins life only a few meters in width can spread to cover more than 20,000 square kilometers. —NASA Langley Cloud and Radiation Research Center

In 2000 there were 8,951,773 commercial aircraft departures in the United States alone.—AirTraffic

"Some unburned fuel is found in jet-aircraft exhaust" "Most petroleum fuels are mixtures of hundreds of different hydrocarbon compounds"

"It seems sunlight is mimicking the conditions in the combustion chamber which activate the lead chemistry"

deoxy.org...

Disclaimer:
Oh crap,NASA is mentioned in my quote!!!I don't work for them honest!!
But I would if they asked me.

[edit on 24/8/2009 by Silcone Synapse]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 12:41 PM by brocket99

Oz:

Please make the objective of the post clear, although I thought it was done so already.

We want photos, locations, and dates of regular weather, and contrail activity, right?

There are plenty of other threads for commentary.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:30 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by brocket99
Oz:

Please make the objective of the post clear, although I thought it was done so already.

We want photos, locations, and dates of regular weather, and contrail activity, right?

There are plenty of other threads for commentary.

Yes brocket you are spot on.

This is not an argument about who is a disinfo agent, or why you think people with a different opinion are idiots.

Go back and read the opening post everyone.

Anything about relation to contrails, weather associated with them and using images, satellite images, eye witness accounts, and weather balloon data (anything along those lines) is what this entire thread is all about.

I dont want to hear about how Im apparently being debunked.....because the entire thread is here so each and everyone can try and prove their point using the resources I mentioned above.

Any more off topic crap and I will ask the mods to come in and clean it up

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:42 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Just found this and thought of your thread:

From the excellent APOD site:

apod.nasa.gov...

Explanation: What causes these long, strange clouds? No one is sure. A rare type of cloud known as a Morning Glory cloud can stretch 1,000 kilometers long and occur at altitudes up to two kilometers high. Although similar roll clouds have been seen at specific places across the world, the ones over Burketown, Queensland Australia occur predictably every spring. Long, horizontal, circulating tubes of air might form when flowing, moist, cooling air encounters an inversion layer, an atmospheric layer where air temperature atypically increases with height. These tubes and surrounding air could cause dangerous turbulence for airplanes when clear. Morning Glory clouds can reportedly achieve an airspeed of 60 kilometers per hour over a surface with little discernible wind. Pictured above, photographer Mick Petroff photographed some Morning Glory clouds from his airplane near the Gulf of Carpentaria, Australia.

Pretty cool huh?

Very nice

Roll cloud are actually lower than contrails and formed by a different phenomenen.....they are actually altocumulus clouds. Ive actually been to the town where they happen, but at the wrong time of the year.

By the way, if you check the satellite images at the right time of year, they are actually quite visible on them

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:49 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by nunya13

Temp: 66° (High is supposed to be 88)
Barometer: 30.04 in and rising
Humidity: 42%
Dewpoint: 42°
Wind: CALM

So far no aerosol trails (that's what I'd rather call them), but that could change, of course.

Thanks Nunya, Im going to check the atmospheric data for Idaho and post it here to find out whats going on up in the sky realy soon

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 03:58 PM by OzWeatherman

Here's the weather details directly above you Nunya

You will notice that the reason you arent seeing any trails, particularly persistent one, is becuase the humidity up there is much too low, even though the temperature is cold enough

300.0 9500 -39.3 -66.3 4 0.02 295 23 329.9 329.9 329.9
296.0 9591 -40.1 -66.1 5 0.02 294 22 330.0 330.1 330.0
281.0 9943 -41.7 -65.7 6 0.02 291 19 332.6 332.7 332.6
276.2 10058 -42.7 -65.8 6 0.02 290 18 332.9 333.0 332.9
263.8 10363 -45.2 -66.1 8 0.02 250 19 333.6 333.7 333.6
254.0 10616 -47.3 -66.3 10 0.02 279 17 334.1 334.2 334.1
252.0 10668 -47.6 -66.1 10 0.02 285 17 334.4 334.5 334.4
250.0 10720 -47.9 -65.9 11 0.02 285 15 334.7 334.8 334.7
244.0 10880 -47.7 -65.7 11 0.02 281 17 337.4 337.5 337.4
229.6 11278 -50.8 -66.8 13 0.02 270 21 338.5 338.6 338.5
223.0 11468 -52.3 -67.3 15 0.02 268 22 339.1 339.2 339.1
216.0 11673 -52.9 -67.9 15 0.02 265 24 341.2 341.3 341.2
212.0 11794 -51.7 -67.7 13 0.02 254 24 344.9 345.0 344.9
209.0 11887 -52.2 -67.8 13 0.02 245 24 345.6 345.7 345.6
203.0 12074 -53.1 -68.1 14 0.02 245 27 347.0 347.1 347.0
200.0 12170 -53.1 -68.1 14 0.02 245 28 348.5 348.6 348.5
192.0 12434 -52.7 -67.7 15 0.02 242 31 353.2 353.4 353.2
174.0 13069 -53.5 -68.5 14 0.02 234 38 362.0 362.1 362.0
166.0 13371 -54.9 -69.9 14 0.02 230 42 364.6 364.7 364.6
165.0 13411 -54.9 -69.9 14 0.02 230 42 365.2 365.3 365.2

Hope that explains it

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 04:45 PM by weedwhacker

As I write I'm currently in DC. My local time at writing is 1745.

National Airport is a mere few miles away, here are the hourly weather reports from this morning:

24-Aug 04:52PM VFR 310° 10kts Scattered 11000 10 29° 84° 15° 59° 42% 30.07
24-Aug 03:52PM VFR 300° 6kts Scattered 15000 10 29° 84° 15° 59° 42% 30.07
24-Aug 02:52PM VFR 280° 5kts Scattered 16000 10 28° 82° 14° 57° 42% 30.08
24-Aug 01:52PM VFR 360° 7kts Scattered 16000 10 29° 84° 13° 55° 37% 30.07
24-Aug 12:52PM VFR 340° 7kts Scattered 15000 10 29° 84° 16° 60° 45% 30.08
24-Aug 11:52AM VFR 300° 5kts Scattered 14000 10 28° 82° 16° 60° 48% 30.09
24-Aug 10:52AM VFR 350° 9kts Scattered 14000 10 27° 80° 16° 60° 51% 30.09
24-Aug 09:52AM VFR 330° 10kts Scattered 16000 10 25° 77° 16° 60° 57% 30.09

(Sorry if the tables are butchered...)

Now, I haven't actually stepped outside and glanced up to look for contrails, today.

But, if OzW's high altitude information is useful, as comparison, maybe there's someone in the area who HAS looked outside???

??
_______________________________
To add:

Link to airplane activity KDCA

(If it works, click upper right corner to enlarge. Plenty oh high air traffic transiting the area).

[edit on 24 August 2009 by weedwhacker]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:02 PM by OzWeatherman

Thanks WW

Can anyone in DC check the sky? There is air traffic around, so i want to check the humidity data.

Also, is anyone in Florida that can check the sky there? I also want to have a look at the sub tropics

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:15 PM by nunya13

I will definitely try to keep up with this thread because I really want to see if the data remains consistent with days that there are/n't trails.

I'm really interested to know. Data doesn't lie, people do. I will change my mind if it turns out that the data remains consistent.

I do still find it odd that what people have been claiming is being done, but supposedly hasn't been put to use, is now being purposed as a solution to global warming. As I said before, I've never bought into some of the more extreme, IMO, theories of population control or what-have-you. I've always thought it was to block sunlight from reaching the surface thereby cooling the Earth and reducing the warming effect.

fyi...still no trails today.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by nunya13]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:25 PM by weedwhacker

reply to post by OzWeatherman

Just to also add, here in DC.

Went out to look, it's not a day for contrails here. Not persistent ones, anyway.

BTW, the surface observations I posted are FAA Hourly reports, taken at the airport (KDCA) for aviators. Altered from the shorthand versions we're used to reading, to make them easier for everyone to read. The baro figures are the "altimeter setting', or the 'QNH' used in the airplane's Kollsman window on the altimeters to adjust for non-standard pressures. So they are NOT actual SL pressure.

Mention all this, because you can see all day the only clouds reported were 'scattered', and too low for contrails. Loking at them now, I'd describe them as fracto-cumulus, and less than 10% sky cover.

Hope that helps.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:30 PM by weedwhacker

reply to post by nunya13

Hey, nunya13,

Here's the Link for Boise air traffic overhead, for you.
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Ooops...tags.

[edit on 24 August 2009 by weedwhacker]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:34 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by nunya13
I do still find it odd that what people have been claiming is being done, but supposedly hasn't been put to use, is now being purposed as a solution to global warming. As I said before, I've never bought into some of the more extreme, IMO, theories of population control or what-have-you. I've always thought it was to block sunlight from reaching the surface thereby cooling the Earth and reducing the warming effect.

Well excessive and persitent contrails have been proven to reflect heat during the day, and trap long wave radiation from leaving the surface at night. So contrails do have a large impact on temperature ranges, in areas of high air traffic. I remember reading that when they grounded all the flights after 9/11, the air temperatures across the USA rose slightly, due to lack of cloud cover.

fyi...still no trails today.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by nunya13]

Thanks Nunya, another flight is due to go up at 23z, within the next hour....so when that ones done I will post that data up, and we can see if the weather is changing

Edit- weather balloon flight that is

[edit on 24/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:47 PM by OzWeatherman

reply to post by weedwhacker

What state is DC in again?

Forgive my ignorance, Im just trying to get the closest location possible to DC for accurate data

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:52 PM by JayinAR

reply to post by OzWeatherman

82.4 °F
Clear
Humidity: 48%
Dew Point: 60 °F
Wind: 2.0 mphVariable
Wind Gust: 4.0 mph
Pressure: 29.72 in (Steady)
Heat Index: 83 °F
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 4 out of 16
Clouds: Clear -
(Above Ground Level)

Northwest Arkansas.

I noticed prolonged contrails today throughout the day.
Sorry, forgot my camera this morning. I'll have it tomorrow.

I hadn't noticed any recently until today. But today we noticed a marked decrease in humidity, although it is still pretty high.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:53 PM by JayinAR

reply to post by OzWeatherman

DC is the District of Columbia.
The Capital. It is right near Virginia, but isn't a state.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:55 PM by weedwhacker

reply to post by OzWeatherman

AH...apologies, forgot my head, there!

DC is situated between Maryland and Virginia.

Don't know where the balloons will fly from, perhaps if you Google Map the area, and zoom out, something you will recognize??

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:57 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by OzWeatherman

DC is the District of Columbia.
The Capital. It is right near Virginia, but isn't a state.

Thanks mate

I got the weather balloon data from Blacksburg, Virginia for this one

300.0 9520 -39.1 -63.1 6 0.03 225 23 330.1 330.3 330.1
283.0 9916 -40.9 -64.9 6 0.02 225 23 333.1 333.2 333.1
274.0 10135 -40.5 -65.5 5 0.02 225 22 336.8 336.9 336.8
264.9 10363 -42.4 -65.6 6 0.02 225 22 337.3 337.4 337.3
254.0 10644 -44.7 -65.7 8 0.02 218 26 337.9 338.0 337.9
250.0 10750 -44.5 -66.5 7 0.02 215 27 339.8 339.9 339.8
241.8 10973 -44.9 -66.9 7 0.02 225 31 342.5 342.6 342.5
237.0 11107 -45.1 -67.1 7 0.02 221 33 344.1 344.2 344.1
233.0 11221 -44.1 -67.1 6 0.02 217 34 347.3 347.4 347.3
228.0 11367 -44.1 -67.1 6 0.02 212 36 349.4 349.5 349.4
224.0 11485 -43.3 -67.3 5 0.02 208 37 352.4 352.5 352.4
210.9 11887 -46.0 -68.4 6 0.02 195 42 354.4 354.5 354.4
200.0 12240 -48.3 -69.3 7 0.02 200 53 356.1 356.2 356.1
197.0 12339 -49.1 -69.1 8 0.02 202 54 356.4 356.5 356.4

Again its much to dry for contrails to persist. WW also said there is no natural cirrus, which is also reflected in the weather balloon data. Once the 23z flight is over I will see if there is an increase in humidity

Edit- WW Virginia will do just fine for DC

[edit on 24/8/2009 by OzWeatherman]

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 05:57 PM by brocket99

Just so everyone knows:

Clear blue skies all day today in Seattle, WA.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 06:04 PM by JayinAR

reply to post by OzWeatherman

My bad. I answered weedwhacker's question not knowing if he was at his computer.

My report was from Northwest Arkansas.

I *did* see natural cirrus throughout the day. But very sparingly.

reply posted on 24-8-2009 @ 06:08 PM by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by OzWeatherman

My bad. I answered weedwhacker's question not knowing if he was at his computer.

My report was from Northwest Arkansas.

I *did* see natural cirrus throughout the day. But very sparingly.