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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by gemineye
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Thats close to Tennesee right?


Yes, Kentucky is directly north of TN.


Thanks for that Gemineye.

I guess I will have to use Tennesee or Carolina as Kentuckys substitue for now. Wish I was more familiar with the US states




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by CONTACT
I've taken some "chemtrail" photos myself, already posted (details) at:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


www.abovetopsecret.com...


If you want, you can post them here, and then we could find out the atmospheric conditions at the time they were photographed



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by serenecalamityz
I am in the southwest of England, today we got bombarded with trails. They where laying them from early in the morning right through until about 16:00 this afternoon.
It was a really sunny day no "real clouds" in the sky. Tonight the sky is full of heavy clouds, I always wonder if they come out and lay the trails purposely before it rains? Are they cloud seeding?


Sorry, I forgot about this post, so here's the weather balloon data from Nottingham



385.0 7616 -27.3 -45.3 16 0.17 207 67 322.9 323.6 323.0
370.0 7902 -29.4 -38.0 43 0.39 210 69 323.9 325.4 324.0
369.0 7921 -29.5 -37.5 46 0.41 210 69 323.9 325.5 324.0
366.0 7979 -30.1 -33.4 73 0.63 208 69 323.9 326.2 324.0
357.0 8156 -31.2 -33.0 84 0.67 205 68 324.7 327.2 324.8
352.0 8257 -31.9 -32.8 92 0.69 206 69 325.1 327.7 325.2
331.0 8689 -34.9 -37.6 76 0.46 211 72 326.8 328.5 326.9
326.0 8796 -35.3 -40.3 60 0.35 212 72 327.6 329.0 327.7
316.0 9012 -36.9 -39.5 77 0.39 215 74 328.3 329.8 328.4
315.0 9034 -37.1 -39.4 79 0.40 215 74 328.4 329.9 328.4
300.0 9370 -40.1 -41.7 85 0.33 215 72 328.7 330.0 328.8
298.0 9415 -40.5 -42.1 84 0.32 215 72 328.8 330.1 328.9
290.0 9600 -42.1 -43.8 83 0.27 211 72 329.1 330.2 329.1
279.0 9861 -43.6 -49.6 51 0.15 205 71 330.6 331.2 330.6
274.0 9982 -44.3 -52.3 41 0.11 207 71 331.3 331.8 331.3
254.0 10486 -48.3 -56.3 39 0.07 215 72 332.6 332.9 332.6
250.0 10590 -49.5 -56.5 44 0.07 215 72 332.3 332.7 332.4
240.0 10856 -52.1 -58.1 48 0.06 218 73 332.3 332.6 332.4
231.0 11100 -54.2 -59.2 54 0.06 220 73 332.8 333.1 332.8
218.0 11469 -57.3 -60.9 64 0.05 215 69 333.5 333.7 333.5
215.0 11558 -58.1 -61.3 67 0.05 213 69 333.6 333.8 333.6
204.0 11886 -60.7 -64.6 60 0.03 205 70 334.6 334.8 334.6
203.0 11917 -60.9 -64.9 59 0.03 205 71 334.7 334.9 334.7
200.0 12010 -58.7 -63.4 54 0.04 210 75 339.6 339.8 339.7


All I can say is no wonder you had been seeing contrails the previous day. Its super moist up at airplane crusing altitude



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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Little wonder there have been contrails over the UK over the weekend with an active frontal system bringing heavy rain to western parts and a plume of moist air running up to the east of it. Contrails were prevalent over The Oval on Sunday - as I'm sure all Australians will have noticed


Edit: the high humidity is very obvious in that Nottingham data!

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Essan]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 03:51 AM
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Im quite glad this one came up. It was a really excellent example, of how contrails were and indicator of the mositure content increasing. It look really wet over there at the moment. And Essan you know we will clean you up 5-0 next ashes



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 04:43 AM
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I live in the south east of england about 20 miles from london and yesterday there was probulary more chemtrails than i have seen around here for ages the sky was full of em and it was a hot day and sunny all day. it was literally like a massive noughts and crosses board and i hated looking up because i knew i was breathing that crap in.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by Rickster01
I live in the south east of england about 20 miles from london and yesterday there was probulary more chemtrails than i have seen around here for ages the sky was full of em and it was a hot day and sunny all day. it was literally like a massive noughts and crosses board and i hated looking up because i knew i was breathing that crap in.


Well, what we just proved was that the things you assumed where chemtrails, were in fact contrails. Thats why I posted the weather balloon data. The humidity levels and temperature are consistent with lingering contrails



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:04 AM
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G'day OzWeatherman...

A star, a flag & a new registration on Digg!

May this thread be the one that saves the chemtrailers from themselves.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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you mean there are mythical planes over palmdale everyday making u-turns of all sizes spraying these 'contrails' in grid like formations? i think a simpler and saner explanation would be that THERE ARE CHEMTRAILS. if you don't believe me you need to get out more. please explain to me how your definition of 'contrails' differ from mine because ones i know do not linger in the sky hours after the plane has passed.

and those you argue for contrails/humidity theory, in case you're not aware, palmdale is a high desert where what are present all the time. what? chemtrails.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by iknownothingiswear]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 06:53 AM
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What you're forgetting is the temperatures and weather conditions on the ground are vastly different to that at aircraft cruising altitudes.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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How do you figure congress trying to pass a bill and acknowledging chemtrails is off topic, thats what this thread is about right?..Why dont you follow your signature!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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My first post so just a few thoughts. Perhaps some one could start another thread "Chemtrail Alert" so that people can see how frequent and worldwide Chemtrails are. By alerting people to chemtrails as they are forming perhaps more people will get to see for themselves what people mean by chemtrails and not contrails.

There are thousands of contrail\chemtrails videos on the internet, but how many people are talking about the planes forming these trails. Are certain trails only formed by certain planes? If planes are spraying chemicals they got to land some where, Where are they based? Perhaps some one could start a thread just looking at the "Proof of Chemtrail planes" and not the trails.

Has any one looked into who is manufacturing the chemicals in the chemtrails?

I would be more convinced of chemtrails if you showed me the planes that are making them and not just trails in the sky.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by logically]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by iknownothingiswear
reply to post by weedwhacker
 

and those you argue for contrails/humidity theory, in case you're not aware, palmdale is a high desert where what are present all the time. what? chemtrails.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by iknownothingiswear]


If you actually look at the data I provided, the humidity at the surface does not reflect the hunmidity at 30,000ft. It varies greatly



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Mr_XIM
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How do you figure congress trying to pass a bill and acknowledging chemtrails is off topic, thats what this thread is about right?..Why dont you follow your signature!


No the thread is about using weather data to determine when contrails will form. I will not allow this thread to turn into another 15 pages of arguing and sledging like most contrail/ chemtrail threads. If you continue to post this way, your posts will be removed for being off topic



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by Mr_XIM
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


How do you figure congress trying to pass a bill and acknowledging chemtrails is off topic, thats what this thread is about right?..Why dont you follow your signature!


No the thread is about using weather data to determine when contrails will form. I will not allow this thread to turn into another 15 pages of arguing and sledging like most contrail/ chemtrail threads. If you continue to post this way, your posts will be removed for being off topic


This thread is bunk. According to you, after showing you pictures and video of starting and stopping contrails, you say it's due to pockets of air. So your data, could be two miles from where the contrails are being formed, and in that short distance, conditions could have changed from where your soundings are being done, and the contrails are being observed, according to you.

Also, I noticed you are posting pressures of up around 500-1000. Most ac fly around 300 hpa.

Sorry, you've been debunked again.



[edit on 24-8-2009 by Udontknowme]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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So your data, could be two miles from where the contrails are being formed, and in that short distance, conditions could have changed from where your soundings are being done, and the contrails are being observed, according to you.


Because of time zone differences, the OP is off ATS atm. SO, I'll jump and say RIGHT! You're finally getting it. Good for you!


The weather ballon info is important, to show people who refuse to understand, that what they EXPERIENCE on the ground, IE, temperature and humidity on the surface, has no bearing on conditions at altitude. THUS, the common misconception that what they're observing must therefore be "chemtrails". Glad to see you are getting it now.

AND, of course, the ballon readings indicate a general trend, at the various altitudes. It is impractical to expect EXACT meter-by-meter mapping of ALL the details!!! Hence, pockets of drier air WILL be embedded within higher humidity areas.


Also, I noticed you are posting pressures of up around 500-1000. Most ac fly around 300 hpa.


I'm sure if you wait, there will be more data forthcoming. 500 hPa is approximately 5,600 meters. About 18,000 feet. Of course you know, 1000 hPa is close to Sea Level...standard is 1016. The data is showing, for starters, how atmospheric conditions change with altitude. It seems to be a tragic lack of knowledge on most people's parts, in this area.


Sorry, you've been debunked again.


!!!! I thought you were understanding??!! Firstly, OzW has NEVER been "bebunked"!! SO, there's no 'again'!

And, second...the data does not lie. "chemtrail" websites, one in particular comes to mind, but I won't mention it, for I don't want any of them to get 'hits'....those websites ALL lie.
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edit: because after posting, I went to look again. Udontknowme, YOU are 'debunking' yourself, by LYING about the data OzWeatherman posted!!

Here's a snippet, from his post, just a few above where you posted:
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300.0 9370 -40.1 -41.7 85 0.33 215 72 328.7 330.0 328.8
298.0 9415 -40.5 -42.1 84 0.32 215 72 328.8 330.1 328.9
290.0 9600 -42.1 -43.8 83 0.27 211 72 329.1 330.2 329.1
279.0 9861 -43.6 -49.6 51 0.15 205 71 330.6 331.2 330.6
274.0 9982 -44.3 -52.3 41 0.11 207 71 331.3 331.8 331.3
254.0 10486 -48.3 -56.3 39 0.07 215 72 332.6 332.9 332.6
250.0 10590 -49.5 -56.5 44 0.07 215 72 332.3 332.7 332.4
240.0 10856 -52.1 -58.1 48 0.06 218 73 332.3 332.6 332.4
231.0 11100 -54.2 -59.2 54 0.06 220 73 332.8 333.1 332.8
218.0 11469 -57.3 -60.9 64 0.05 215 69 333.5 333.7 333.5
215.0 11558 -58.1 -61.3 67 0.05 213 69 333.6 333.8 333.6
204.0 11886 -60.7 -64.6 60 0.03 205 70 334.6 334.8 334.6
203.0 11917 -60.9 -64.9 59 0.03 205 71 334.7 334.9 334.7
200.0 12010 -58.7 -63.4 54 0.04 210 75 339.6 339.8 339.7


I see a range from 300 up to 200 hPa there!!!

WHY would you claim he was only showing data to 500 millibars???

Shame.

For those who don't know....300 hPa is about 30,065 feet (9,166 metres)-- well nigh where airplanes cruise. 200 hPa is even higher -- about 38,662 feet (11,787 metres). Those are from the "standard" table of equivalents.






[edit on 24 August 2009 by weedwhacker]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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You are conveniently taking my words out of context. I said "according to OZ" there are pockets of air.

I say, contrails wouldn't just shut off and on, as there is a transition area. contrails would fade in and out, IF they were natural. But, they are not, so showing soundings does nothing because the contrails are chemicals.

As proven by this report



Samples of crystals taken in both contrails and cirrus clouds were compared with interstitial aerosols found in natural cirrus. The samples were analyzed with a scanning electron microscope which was equipped with a windowless energy-dispersive X-ray detector (SEM/EDX). In the contrail and cirrus cases black carbon (BC) particles dominated the residual size spectra for particles smaller than 1 μm. The coarse residual particle mode (Dp≥1.5 μm) in contrails consisted almost completely of mechanically generated metallic particles which contributed only about 1% to residual particle number but approximately 50% to residual particle volume.

Source



[edit on 24-8-2009 by Udontknowme]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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only if you remind me the required condition for a 'contrail' to remain in existence for hours displaying same characteristics as water vapors in the same altitude. but wait, no airplane exhausts water. so these vapors must be chemical! if so, have you ever heard of the term chemtrail?

this is a chemtrail RESEARCH thread for those who already accept its existance. you debunkers are just polluting it and you mods let them be. ATS is no longer a place for intelligent discussion- only arguments. world is full of idiots yet the word is never used enough. so i will say it- you chemtrail debunkers are f-kin idiots who need to stfu especially on this thread

[edit on 24-8-2009 by iknownothingiswear]

[edit on 24-8-2009 by iknownothingiswear]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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Just found this and thought of your thread:




From the excellent APOD site:

apod.nasa.gov...


Explanation: What causes these long, strange clouds? No one is sure. A rare type of cloud known as a Morning Glory cloud can stretch 1,000 kilometers long and occur at altitudes up to two kilometers high. Although similar roll clouds have been seen at specific places across the world, the ones over Burketown, Queensland Australia occur predictably every spring. Long, horizontal, circulating tubes of air might form when flowing, moist, cooling air encounters an inversion layer, an atmospheric layer where air temperature atypically increases with height. These tubes and surrounding air could cause dangerous turbulence for airplanes when clear. Morning Glory clouds can reportedly achieve an airspeed of 60 kilometers per hour over a surface with little discernible wind. Pictured above, photographer Mick Petroff photographed some Morning Glory clouds from his airplane near the Gulf of Carpentaria, Australia.


Pretty cool huh?



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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oh yeaaaah, especially much cooler when it happens to form as a plane is flying right infront of it. now stfu plz

[edit on 24-8-2009 by iknownothingiswear]





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