Contrail/ Chemtrail Research Thread, page 18

reply to post by AllSeeingI

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This idea has been subject to a lot of research in recent years

Stratospheric injections couldhelp cool Earth, computermodel shows

Can we offset global warminging by geoengineering the climate with aerosols?

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Geoengineering to mitigate global warming may cause other environmental harm

And it's worth bearing in mind that were such action to be taken, we would not see noticeable effects from the ground (were such particles to form visible ice crystals - contrails - then it would obviously have the opposite to the intended effect - see www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by AllSeeingI

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After your edit:

Well the problem here is that you cannot compare US5003186 to Pinatubo.

Here's what the "Pinatubo" paper (1997) says:

During the present decade, the eruption of Mt.Pinatubo in the Philippines induced a transient drop in the global mean temperature of ~0.5° K, apparently due to insolation modulation by volcanic particulates.26 It is believed that this cooling was induced predominantly by scattering of sunlight by SO2-based particulates of sub-micron scale

www.osti.gov...

Here's what the patent (1991) says:

One technique proposed to seed the metallic particles was to add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude. While this method would increase the reflection of visible light incident from space, the metallic particles would trap the long wavelength blackbody radiation released from the earth. This could result in net increase in global warming.

www.patentstorm.us...

So which is it? Cooling or warming? Which would save the planet? The patent is says that Welsbach materials and certain metal oxides (which sulphur dioxide is not) will cool the planet but that other particulates can actually cause warming. The evidence from Pinatubo shows that non metallic oxide (sulphur dioxide) particulates produce cooling. Doesn't that mean that the theory of the patent is proven wrong? Or is the Pinatubo data flawed? It seems your two sources contradict each other.

I dont know if this has been posted but.

The method of cloud-seeding used by the Chinese involves dosing the atmosphere with silver iodide, a chemical solution either dropped from planes or shot up from the ground. (Other methods use salt or dry ice.) The silver iodide particles supercharge cloud formation, as they act as excellent condensation nuclei. Once clouds form, they also start a positive feedback effect. As droplets freeze and are added to the cloud, they release their heat, creating an updraft which draws additional moisture from the ground into the atmosphere.

news.yahoo.com...

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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Not a tourist, but not originally from Rio either. My Missus is a Carioca (from Rio), so as well as having lived here most of the last ten years, I have family here and right now, we have family issues to attend to.
I currently reside in Italy, but it is too Fascist and technologically retarded for me (unbelievable Vatican censorship), so I'm moving back here permanently... WooHoo!


Back to the Carioca weather...

Until 3 days ago, it had been mainly wet and damp for 'too long', according to everyone here that I have asked (weather manipulation is dear to my heart).

Lots of rain and much continuous, persistent, nondescript, monotonous, grey cloud-cover/smog, typical of the Chemtrail program. Any days with patches of blue in the morning would quickly be smogged-out, as the cloud cover rolled down from Sumare, the large hill overlooking all of Rio (I'll return to Sumare later in this post).
We have however, had blue sky, without rain, these last few days (so I've put my plans to build another Chembuster on hold... for now).

No, I just haven't seen any Chemtrails, (doesn't mean they haven't been spraying ahead of us) even though at the weekend, we drove several hundred Km's south (where the sky was nice and blue with a variety of scattered Cumulus clouds).



One question I'd like to ask you Mr Oz, is, are you aware of Don Bradley and his work of 'gifting' in California (L.A., San Francisco etc.) from 2002 onwards? For those who don't know, he 'gifted' (distributed free of charge) thousands of small Orgonite devices at all the cellphone antenna in the mentioned area. THIS, (allegedly) cleared the air AND reduced the violence - for which Los Angeles had become shamefully notorious.

Here is a quote from Don Croft (the Godfather of Orgonite devices)...

"Don Bradley almost single-handedly transformed the atmosphere in the Los Angeles Basin within a couple of years. Fortunately, there were a lot of posted reports about the progress and anyone can see, from watching films made in LA in recent years, that it's much, much better there, now"

SOURCE...www.whale.to...

Following on (and rewinding a little), having watched -for many years- the 'smog' being imposed on an unsuspecting, unaware public, I have noticed that this deliberate pollution is nearly always more prevalent and concentrated above urban environments. I travel quite a lot. In the last 20 months I have been to 20 countries and some of them on multiple occasions. I have for example recently driven from Portugal to Turkey, past more cities than I remember and I have witnessed first hand how the 'smog' generally takes hold above the cities (and military areas) much more readily than it does above the open country. I know that sometimes enormous areas are smogged out but the other day, Rio was totalled and as soon as we were out of the city the smog disappeared...(And yes I know cities have smog pollution)

Back to that rewind...

Here in Rio, on top of Sumare are 23 (perhaps more) monstrous towers (Military, TV, Radio, Cellphone etc.). Is it mere 'coincidence' that this is exactly where much of the grey cloud cover seems to originate, before descending down upon us?

Perhaps the only way to truly know, is if 'someone' goes and gifts the Sumare towers.

[edit on 4/11/09 by Mr Magoo]

Originally posted by Mr Magoo

Here in Rio, on top of Sumare are 23 (perhaps more) monstrous towers (Military, TV, Radio, Cellphone etc.). Is it mere 'coincidence' that this is exactly where much of the grey cloud cover seems to originate, before descending down upon us?

No coincidence here

Its a process called orographic lifting which forces air masses and clouds in moutainous areas up. This actually cools the air forcing it to expand and dramatically increase its humidity content, thus creating cloud. Here's an easy to understand link

en.wikipedia.org...

Also, particulates in pollution actually increase the likelihood of rain. The nuclei act as a magnet, attracting water molecules, increasing the size of the water droplet (or ice crystal depending on altitude), creating cloud, and even weather. Cloud seeding works on the same principle, but uses different mechanisms to trigger the growth.

And I have heard of that orgon guy, he is actually a scam artist. He doesnt ever give anything away for free, and I would hardly call "film footage" as proof of his claims.

Sorry, I my proffesional understanding of meteorology just see's this as a money making operation

reply to post by susp3kt

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Gday mate

Here's ther latest upper air data from Georgia

300.0 9600 -35.1 -43.1 44 0.28 295 61 335.8 336.9 335.8
286.0 9930 -37.7 -44.7 48 0.25 296 60 336.7 337.7 336.7
250.0 10840 -44.9 -52.9 40 0.11 300 59 339.2 339.7 339.2
233.8 11278 -48.5 -56.5 39 0.08 300 52 340.2 340.6 340.3
204.0 12174 -55.9 -63.9 36 0.03 300 60 342.1 342.3 342.1
200.0 12300 -56.9 -64.9 36 0.03 300 61 342.5 342.6 342.5
158.8 13716 -67.9 -75.0 36 0.01 295 77 347.2 347.2 347.2
157.0 13786 -68.5 -75.5 36 0.01 295 77 347.4 347.4 347.4
155.0 13865 -69.1 -76.1 36 0.01 295 76 347.6 347.6 347.6
150.0 14060 -69.3 -76.3 36 0.01 295 75 350.5 350.6 350.5
146.0 14221 -68.9 -75.9 36 0.01 296 71 353.9 354.0 353.9
135.0 14686 -70.9 -77.9 35 0.01 298 58 358.4 358.4 358.4
128.0 15002 -69.9 -76.9 35 0.01 299 49 365.7 365.7 365.7
125.0 15142 -70.5 -77.5 35 0.01 300 46 367.1 367.1 367.1
123.0 15240 -70.4 -77.4 35 0.01 300 43 369.1 369.1 369.1
119.0 15434 -70.1 -77.1 35 0.01 291 38 373.0 373.1 373.0
116.8 15545 -70.9 -77.9 35 0.01 285 35 373.5 373.6 373.5

It certainly is moist and cold enough for contrails to persist in the environment at the moment. It looks friggin cold there too, only 5 degrees celsius at the surface (41F)......here we are expecting our 4th day in a row over 40 degrees celsius (104F)

reply to post by susp3kt

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I also should have mentioned that you have rain and cloud forecast for the next few days too (currently). An abundance of contrails and the persistence of them, is a good (quite accurate) indicator that the atmopshere is becoming moister, which is typical before periods of rain. Also, there is a another balloon flight in the next hour and half which we could compare to see if the atmosphere has changed if you like

reply to post by OzWeatherman

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Pretty warm there, huh? It has actually turned into a nice day here, with it currently being 68.8F according to wunderground.com.

I appreciate the fast reply, and I'm going to go back into this thread to pull up the site you linked to previously on understanding the data you're providing.

I'm also planning on doing some time-lapse video of the trails seen here, on days like today that is. It seems like ATL is a hot spot for these trails, as it is with most major metropolises, IF that is, these are not persistent contrails.

Would you be interested in such video?



[edit on 14-11-2009 by susp3kt]

reply to post by Coloradoinformant

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Oz seems to be elsewhere.
Here are the soundings for DNR.
306.7 9144 -46.8 -59.7 21 0.04 345 68 317.3 317.5 317.4
300.0 9290 -47.9 -59.9 24 0.04 345 70 317.7 317.9 317.7
292.8 9449 -49.0 -61.0 23 0.04 355 72 318.3 318.5 318.3
290.0 9511 -49.5 -61.5 23 0.03 355 72 318.6 318.7 318.6
285.0 9625 -50.3 -62.3 23 0.03 353 72 319.0 319.1 319.0
250.0 10460 -58.3 -68.3 27 0.02 340 68 319.3 319.3 319.3
246.0 10562 -59.3 -69.3 26 0.01 339 68 319.2 319.3 319.2
219.1 11278 -64.4 -73.6 27 0.01 330 68 322.1 322.1 322.1
213.0 11453 -65.7 -74.7 28 0.01 330 66 322.7 322.7 322.7
208.6 11582 -64.6 -73.6 28 0.01 335 60 326.3 326.4 326.3
200.0 11840 -62.5 -71.5 29 0.01 320 53 333.6 333.7 333.6

Very cold above above 31,000 feet (row 5). Cold enough (column 3) for contrails to form in 0% humidity (column 5).

[edit on 11/25/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage

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Thanks for getting that one Phage

Soemtimes I forget that this thread is a sticky

Observation from Massachusetts weather balloon data

300.0 8890 -47.7 -75.7 3 0.00 280 134 318.0 318.0 318.0
291.0 9091 -47.5 -77.5 2 0.00 284 135 321.1 321.1 321.1
288.6 9144 -47.9 -77.4 2 0.00 285 135 321.3 321.3 321.3
254.0 9978 -53.5 -76.5 4 0.00 285 130 324.9 324.9 324.9
250.0 10080 -53.7 -76.7 4 0.00 285 129 326.1 326.1 326.1
240.0 10342 -54.7 -76.7 5 0.00 280 134 328.4 328.4 328.4
239.2 10363 -54.4 -76.6 5 0.00 280 134 329.2 329.2 329.2
236.0 10450 -53.1 -76.1 4 0.01 280 132 332.4 332.4 332.4
233.0 10533 -53.3 -76.3 4 0.01 281 129 333.3 333.4 333.3
214.0 11078 -55.9 -76.9 6 0.01 283 115 337.5 337.5 337.5
204.0 11383 -55.9 -76.9 6 0.01 284 106 342.1 342.2 342.1
201.0 11478 -55.1 -77.1 5 0.01 285 104 344.9 344.9 344.9
200.0 11510 -55.1 -77.1 5 0.01 285 103 345.4 345.4 345.4
197.8 11582 -55.0 -77.3 5 0.01 285 101 346.6 346.6 346.6

While the humidity is not high enough, the Appleman chart indicates that the air temperature is cold enough for contrails to from and persist

asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...

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