USA commandeered the 3rd Reich lock, stock & barrel.

Face it, people. German Americans constitute the majority factor of European Americans. Genral Patton hung a right to Silesia when WWII was in it's denouement. And, post-war, when they were selling us the model lifestyle and torrential advertising, what was the national food? What was the 'signature dish' of this brave new world. HOT DOGS & HAM$*!!"$$BURGERS.

Wake up Americans. Hans Kammler was your Daddy.

Originally posted by Catesby
Face it, people. German Americans constitute the majority factor of European Americans. Genral Patton hung a right to Silesia when WWII was in it's denouement. And, post-war, when they were selling us the model lifestyle and torrential advertising, what was the national food? What was the 'signature dish' of this brave new world. HOT DOGS & HAM$*!!"$$BURGERS.

Wake up Americans. Hans Kammler was your Daddy.

Your point? Seems you have a little kraut in the Kingdom yourselves...not to disparage the Royals, or anything.

Do you have anything to back up your premise that German immigrants are the bulk of the European heritage in the US. I do think you are mistaken.

Everything German is not bad! My god, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Okay, perhaps not the most ridiculous but up in the top 3%!

Well, the OP does make a valid historical point about the whole attitude of post-ww2 America. How many films do you remember watching in school, made in the 50's, that started with some sort of, "Made By The US Department of....."?
Probably most of them. And I went to school from the early 90's to the early 00's and there were a lot of those old films being used in my schools then.

My point is, It seems to me that the whole 1950's mentality was pushed pretty hard by the government. And it has been shown that the US government was into "PAPERCLIPping" nazi scientists into US programs.

So who knows?

"The Rise of the Fourth Reich" by Jim Mars goes into this in great detail. Haven't read it myself but its on my list. Project Paperclip was more than just a recruiting attempt for German rocket scientists.
Thousands of Nazis were brought here and he claims many were used in the CIA . You have to wonder about that as it seems to me the US really ramped up its efforts to spread democracy and gain control over countries after WWII.

Originally posted by MagnumOverDrive
Project Paperclip was more than just a recruiting attempt for German rocket scientists.

Recruiting? Are you kidding? Pretty much every German with an ounce of brains was surrendering, and being a people of some intelligence, they were decidedly not interested in surrendering to the Russians.

Everything I've read says you're wrong bro-

Irish man, there are more Americans with Irish ancestry than all other nationallities combined.

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Ok Bad choice of words .

Originally posted by redhead57

Everything German is not bad! My god, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Okay, perhaps not the most ridiculous but up in the top 3%!

I love Germans, I have one myself. The point was the Reich, the working model. When one businessman buys out a struggling company that showed potential, it's not to discard it. Have a think.

Originally posted by uaocteaou
Everything I've read says you're wrong bro-

Irish man, there are more Americans with Irish ancestry than all other nationallities combined.

INCORRECT. Think harder. I'm not providing you with sources because it behoves you to investigate yourself. If your paltry repost were true, then you'd all be speaking Erse and not Spanish as a second language.

Will people leave their egos at the door and actually harken to the point of the post?

'Operation Paperclip' was a program that snatched up thousands of Nazi scientists after the war and continued on through till the 70s. Top scientists, doctors, engineers and propagandists were secrected away to the States, scrubbed of their Nazi pasts and formed the core of the new National Security State in such lovely institutions as the CIA, NSA and NASA.

So its really not a stretch to say that Nazi Germany was in many ways transplanted into the United States after WW2.

Originally posted by Catesby

Originally posted by redhead57

Everything German is not bad! My god, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Okay, perhaps not the most ridiculous but up in the top 3%!

I love Germans, I have one myself. The point was the Reich, the working model. When one businessman buys out a struggling company that showed potential, it's not to discard it. Have a think.

Absolutely!

As far as the military side of the war goes we are made to think that it was won by the west...

BUT...

The "failing business" was bought out by the americans, and the policies of the nazi state were (and are) subtly implemented by the american government.

The "business model" of nazi germany was right on track...

... it just needed "tweaking".

Make the people think it's by choice, instead of what the nazis did (by force).

Make people scared, and then make them thankful of a saviour.

Think about Project Paprclip - the recruitment of nazi scientists by the americans.

It was done in secret to avoid watchful eyes.

On the other side of the pond think about how the EU was set up by a nazi bilderberger.

Think about it.

When you work out who won a war, don't look at the military accomplishments - look at who benefited.

The OP's points notwithstanding and not wanting to go off-topic but in europe the people that benefitted after WWII were the germans. (look at the EU and how central conrtrol is now germany based).

On topic...

Do a google search on hitler and bush and see how alike they were...

Great thread!

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Nice one JC, an astute response. Those Saxe-Coburgs know their Bratwursts from their Frankfurters. Good looking though, aren't they? I mean, you gotta admit. For a bunch of effete, blue-blood parasites.

Don't think I'm proud of them.

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Nice one Cyril! Have to call you Cyril 'til you get a name. Bravo sir/madam.

I wouldn't go so far as to say the US commandeered the 3rd Reich model after the war. However, I do believe the EU is walking alongside Adolph Hitler and his dream of a federalized European state. That's what he and his goons tried to accomplish through conquest and bloodshed. However, Germany is the mightiest member of the EU and they are uniting Europe without firing a shot. The weapon is the use of treaties and international law to achieve their goals. I digress, back to the topic, as I said earlier; I don't think the United States is in cahoots with the vision of the 3rd Reich.

However, I do see the Federal Government resorting to a fascist governance structure. The Federal Government wants to have its hand in any independent enterprise being conducted in the United States. We have seen it with semi-nationalization of financial institutions, automotive industry, and now health care. What struck me as a serious offense, and very fascist, was when President Obama sacked the former CEO of GM, Rick Wagoner. I can't ever remember a President asking a CEO of a private corporation to step down? The current activity by government has all the hallmarks of fascism, corporatism, is the thing that stands out which is state-run capitalism.

I suppose when we start hearing rumors of dissidents being rounded up in the middle of the night and disappearing; then we can start claiming there is a link between the practices of the 3rd Reich and United States. As of late, it hasn't come to that and thank goodness, but if one gives anyone inch they will take a mile. We saw that with the German people turning a blind eye to the abuse of power by Adolph Hitler and his National Socialists in the early stages of his reign.


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Yes, we've got a load of Krauts over here...

... but you lot needed to pay for your share of the Krauts!

(project paperclip)

GW Bush was probably the biggest Kraut going....

Gobble Gobble!!!



Sour-kraut

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Originally posted by Jakes51


I suppose when we start hearing rumors of dissidents being rounded up in the middle of the night and disappearing; then we can start claiming there is a link between the practices of the 3rd Reich and United States. As of late, it hasn't come to that and thank goodness, but if one gives anyone inch they will take a mile. We saw that with the German people turning a blind eye to the abuse of power by Adolph Hitler and his National Socialists in the early stages of his reign.


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Great stuff, Jakes51. My only reservation is that by the time anyone starts hearing rumours, it will all ready be a fait accompli. Again, I refer everyone to the no-holds-barred, anal retentiveness of Hans Kammler. I defy anyone to come up with even the meerest evidence of what happened to him. When the 1944 Warsaw ghetto uprising was put down, all surviving, able Jews took the 36,000,000 remainig bricks to build their own prison.

Talk about singleness of purpose! Whatever you say of the 'devil', you can't say he doesn't get things done.

Let's face it, America was in awe.

Skunk Works........Dulce............Area51.........etc.

Originally posted by Jakes51
However, I do believe the EU is walking alongside Adolph Hitler and his dream of a federalized European state. That's what he and his goons tried to accomplish through conquest and bloodshed.

Well, I'd be loathe to say that the EU or today's Germany espouse the same types of policies or methodology as Hitler tried to institutionalise in the 3'rd Reich.

We saw that with the German people turning a blind eye to the abuse of power by Adolph Hitler and his National Socialists in the early stages of his reign.

Again, under the Versailles treaty, the Allies tried to beat the country into oblivion. Rather than vanquish the people, it set the wheels in motion for a Hitler to get the country on its feet again (but under his twisted vision, aided by American industrialists). Given the Weimar Republic and the uber-inflation as well as a punitive peace process, it was an extrordinary set of circumstances...a perfect storm...much different from the EU process.

And by the time the people of Germany discovered the price the Nazis extracted, it was too late to do anything about it. That being said...they paid their dues, both during the war and its aftermath.

To say they 'won' the war is nonsense. This is where our ATS Germans can chime in.

Originally posted by Catesby

Originally posted by redhead57

Everything German is not bad! My god, that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here. Okay, perhaps not the most ridiculous but up in the top 3%!

I love Germans, I have one myself. The point was the Reich, the working model. When one businessman buys out a struggling company that showed potential, it's not to discard it. Have a think.

Don't forget that the working model of the Reich was based on the Hierarchy of the Catholic Church or maybe more specifically the Jesuits.

It is possible to understand the premise that America is the Fourth Reich, which in reality is just an extension of the Holy Roman Empire, now the Holy See (The Holy Roman Church).

How do you always win? Play both sides!

White Anglo Saxon Protestants (WASPS) have long been the 'dominant' political and economic force in the United States.

The Third Reigh in many ways, was an American funded experiment in government by WASPS, partially for profit and partially for research purposes.

Never under estimate the power of White Anglo Saxon Protestants. They love to spacegoat all kinds of eithnics and political groups while they quietly control and orchestrate things behind the scenes.

There is a quiet, cold hearted, calculating, detached, intelligent logic at play that other ethnic groups and political groups always kept on the defensive just can never really counter because of their more emotionally inclined approaches.

The WASPS commandeered nothing, they gave it to you in the first place.

Such is life