Not sure how the topic got derailed but I can say this much in response to alot of the comments; which I believe has a lot to do with current
divisions in the country...
It's true that the newest immigrants to the country wear their culture on their sleeve and they
demand that everyone respect
and acknowledge (and perhaps even show pride for) their
How many white Americans have walked through Oakland California suburbs where the overwhelming ethnicity is black? I have. On the 4th of July when all
the people are out on the street and socializing and celebrating freedom. I won't say more on it because it's irrelivant to my point.
How many white Americans have been to their hispanic friends' parties in East Palo Alto where the standard of living is one step above poverty and
EVERY house has at least one dismantled car in the front yard on blocks (where status is having 2 or 3) (that was many years ago, so things may have
How many white Americans have been to East Santa Clara county (East San Jose) where the Philipino (and well to do hispanic) neighborhoods are (were)
booming with intelligent, sucessful, yet again, culturally entrenched residents
demand others to recognise and admire their
culture from far away. One of my Philipino friends' mothers' still lived in a grass hut with dirt floors and sent money to her.
I have a unique prospective from approximately 20 years ago. In the California Bay Area I had many friends from all walks of life. These are only
brief descriptions. Describing them in detail could fill many chapters making up a novel of diversity.
I respect all of their heritages, ironically, a neutral white guy, I just accept them as they are, yet they rarely accept each other.
That's the underlying thing that I didn't realize then (and one major reason I fled California)... Allow me to take it one step further...
Personalizing AND validating the entire point that many people are making in their posts:
You may need to read between the lines here, (KK), at that time I had long hair, tie dyed shirts, jeans with holes (I started that trend because I
didn't care to buy new jeans, someone on the city bus saw my style and made a fortune from it, even to this day. FtR.)
The 'general population' wrote me off as rebelious and not productive even though I was working at age 16 prototyping computers and am very
productive. So, either while shopping or just out in public, I saw the looks, try dressing like a bum sometime; notice the looks or snears, etc.
In addition, Unless you have great speech skills (which I disregarded)... and was more like, totally, ya know, with many F words and S words; Most
people will, again, just write you off.
Here's the punch line, if you've read this far, what makes my young character, that I've described above, ANY different than those immigrants and
their dress and behavior? Dis-establishment, rebellion and non-conforming was my personal culture that I demanded everyone respect and accept. What
makes it any different, in principal, than those that wear their culture on their sleeve?
It wasn't until I cut my hair, wore new clothes, and had a shiney new car, that I got respect. I went completely with the establishment and got what
everyone craves, immigrant or not... R E S P E C T. The changes in people's interaction with me were overwhelming. Although, I could mostly care less
about what some peeps (and some posters here on ATS) think. This is a post for those that want a prospective different from what they may have
experienced... My version of 'Soto-Latina' background. =)
Hopefully, this will help others understand that the 'great divide' in cultures and the lack of respect going on is because, unlike the immigrants
of long ago... they aren't "cutting their hair, wearing new clothes and driving shiney new cars" en mass. Their entire neighborhood needs to
conform to a much greater degree. Find a way to respect the other neighborhoods that attempt to meld into the American persona... Shun the extremists
that demand we respect their culture as higher than anyone else's culture.
Else, there will always be a culture war with each faction demanding the respect and never repecting the other.
Afterthought: What would you think of a bunch of Valley Dudes and Chicks taking to the streets and marching for their rights to like, totally, be
respected, ya know and stuff like that. (Ever notice the younger generation says "and such" not "and stuff"? 'Stuff' is a bad words these days.)
Until you've experienced reverse discrimination like those Firemen have... you just don't
have a leg to stand on.
As was noted in previous posts by DolphinsFan ... He is hitting it dead on. Stars for DF!
Facism isn't an exclusive term for totalitarian whites only, it's a rainbow term. It's where America is being pushed (not lead.)
[edit on 8·22·09 by DrMattMaddix]