It is generally accepted among Christians that no one can know the time of Jesus return, but is that a correct interpretation? I suggest that only those who are not followers of Christ do not and cannot know when we are at the end. And therefore, is this idea that we cannot know a simple conspiracy?

Please note, this thread is intended specifically to discuss whether we can or cannot know when the end will occur. It is not intended for non-believers to debate whether or not God is real or the word is fact.

One of the examples given in the Bible to show that people will not know when the time will come is this:

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. KJV

1st, this implies that we won't know the day and hour. Ok. But that doesn't mean we won't know the time. Above, we see clearly that those in Noah's day didn't know the flood was coming. But those who didn't know and perished were the unbelievers and sinners. Noah and his family did know. Therefore they were prepared and saved. So, I submit: so shall it be in the end.

What did Jesus say?

Mat:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

This gives us an understanding of the time does it not? Throughout the Bible we see prophesy after prophesy concerning the end. Including time lines. If we are not to know when the end comes, why are these verses included. There are no idle verses correct?

Jesus gave us the parable of the fig tree, which represents Isreal. Isreal became a country in 1947. Can we therefore not use the date line prophesies to determine an estimate of the end times? Jesus advised that this generation ( I take this to mean the generation since Isreal became a country) will not pass away before these things are fullfilled. We are therefore a part of that generation.

That is not unbelievable given the current push for world government, one currency etc etc we see today.

If we are taught that no one knows when the end will come, do we not become lazy about Jesus return? Did He not advise us to watch, to discern the times?

I'll leave it here. I'm curious if others have different interpretations of these verses.

Also, if you remember, in the days of Noah, the mass majority of people were scoffing at Noah building the ark - laughing and ridiculing him.

And in the days of Lot, the people were drinking, laughing, having a grand old sinning time - and were caught off guard when the fire and brimstone came.

The Bible speaks about the end days being as in the days of Noah and Lot - which is why all the non believers on this forum are actually helping to fulfill a huge part of the end times prophecy. It implies that in the end days people will be going about life with no cares or concerns.

Their questions of 'where's your God' and 'There is no God' and 'The world isn't going to end', etc.

And a biggie - the Bible speaks of the ones that choose to stay asleep to reality - we are witnessing that with our own eyes, especially on ATS.

The Bible gives detailed signs - but so many choose to scoff and ignore. Those are the ones that are going to suffer the worst of God's wrath.

Scary.

1 Thessalonians 5 also suggest we can have an idea but not know the exact time (like down to the day or hour)

"1Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled."

Most theologists will claim that armageden most occur first. I think the end times is upon us though. The visions of armagedon are taken from the vantage point of the vision holder from the spirit realm. But like stated in Matthew everyone will be carrying out their lives like normal oblivious, and under deception of the "devil." I see all the signs playing out now. I agree this is the end of times, and the beginning of the new.

Originally posted by Karlhungis

Hasn't just about every generation since the death of Christ believed that they were in the end times and were on the cusp of his return?

Yuppers.

Especially when those Christians live in a country that is being subjected to communist/socialist takeover.

They always think the takeover signals the rapture - they are always wrong.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
It is unlike any previous generation.

So is every generation ....