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Chemtrail Debunkers are Losing.

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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Kewl! S'al good then.
Man you should of heard the band last night!
Sorry off topic.
I appreciate all sides and am not stuck on one or the other.
Lifes too short anyway. Especially if helped along just a little....

Still waiting weed.....

Me thinks a real pilot would have the answer immediately......



[edit on 23-8-2009 by dodadoom]




posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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H. R. 2977
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons ;(ii) chemtrails; (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;;(v) laser weapons systems; (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

www.fas.org...

What, did he make all this stuff up off the top of his head out of nowhere?
Geez!

Do we only believe some of it or what? Which stuff?
The navy's weapons are well known already.
Nope, nothing going on here. Is' all good I know.


[edit on 23-8-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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"Chemtrails" are contrails and they've been around since jet engines were created. For some reason in the last few years people have started to think they aren't normal.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by griftin
"Chemtrails" are contrails and they've been around since jet engines were created. For some reason in the last few years people have started to think they aren't normal.


For some reason, in the last few years, 10-12, they have been spraying them.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:35 PM
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Check it out, since you are a pilot and please
explain how the contrail just stops and starts again? Completely.


Missed your question earlier....sheesh!! Impatient much?


This has been asked and answered numerous times already.

Just as the temperature and humidity at certain altitudes and regions isn't always suitable for contrail formation (or cirrus clouds, for that matter) the air above you is not homogenous, either.

Water vapor is usually invisible to the eye, you admit that, yes?

SO, merely looking at the sky, and watching an airplane fly overhead, you can only infer that the air is fairly humid BECAUSE the contrail is formed.

Also, air is layered, and the amount of moisture each layer holds will vary.

It will vary horizontally, and vertically. Layers may slope, relative to the surface of the Earth.

When watching a high-altitude jet, and seeing the contrail begin, and end, can be from the mere fact that it is climbing/descending through areas of higher humidity, thus the contrail "starts/stops".

ALSO, at the same altitude, as mentioned, the airplane will pass through regions of higher humidity, then less humid, causing the same effect.

It's really that simple.

I have seen MY OWN contrail many times...sometimes right after a turn, when it's possible to see behind the airplane at an angle, sometimes indirectly, because I could see the shadow on the ground. USUALLY most obvious over the deserts, because the background is so uniform.

AND, many many OTHER airplanes passing by, making nice contrails.

I can assure you, we had NO TANKS onboard to carry any sort of odd "chemicals". No switches to activate valves or pumps. No circuit breakers on the CB panel, nothing in the Airplane Manuals, no training on it. And, beleive me, we get a LOT of training, there is NOTHING on the airplnae that we don't understand, or don't know about.

THEN, there is the weight issue (and balance). ANY item onboard has weight. Weight is an issue, of course. ALL weight is the enemy, when it is unnecessary. Added fuel burn, contrary to fuel conservation efforts that are so important today, with the high cost of fuel. ANYTHING that is opnboard, and leaves for any reason, also will change the balance.

You will notice that fuel on jetliners is concentrated (laterally) mostly where it is closest to the Center of Gravity of the airplane. This way, as fuel is burned, the CG is minimally affected.

ALL of the available space inside the airframe is already spoken for, fuel tanks, equipment, passenger and luggage/cargo areas. There simply is NO PLACE to "hide" any "chemical" apparatus.
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edit: Here's a picture for reference:

B767 flammable material locations






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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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Well I didnt know you was gonna write me a book!

No prob, I actually believe you, for the most part.
Sounds reasonable.

Most of the time the intentions are good I am sure.
Its those times when they are not, that worries me.
These weapons exist we agree on that, are they used indiscriminately?
Or even intentionally?
I guess we'll have to let everyone make up their own mind.
Never hurts to ask questions though.
Like,.... whats in that tank?
(the one located near the CG labeled "poop")


[edit on 23-8-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Udontknowme

Originally posted by griftin
"Chemtrails" are contrails and they've been around since jet engines were created. For some reason in the last few years people have started to think they aren't normal.


For some reason, in the last few years, 10-12, they have been spraying them.


How do you explain video of contrails formaing and spreading out in world war 2 then?

Most chemtrail believers claim that this never happened prior to 1996...coincidently when the internet was taking off, and conspiracy theories were more readily accessed



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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I dont call bunk very often but, there were no jets IN WW2! Right?
They wasn't even invented till the 50's!
Although aircraft had been flying already and the technology existed for spraying also.
Um, you wouldn't happen to have a linky for that WW2 video btw would ya?
I wouldnt put anything past the ptb.
Even, heaven forbid, giving billions to the bankers or war machine!



[edit on 23-8-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Here ya go, OzWeatherman.

You mentioned WW II contrails, here's the famous 'Memphis Belle':



I don't expect anyone will claim the bombers were "spraying chemtrails", will they??

Well.....give it some time, eh?



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 

I dont call bunk very often but, there were no jets IN WW2! Right?
They wasn't even invented till the 50's!
Um, you wouldn't happen to have a linky for that WW2 video btw would ya?



Enjoy




posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Kewl, two for one!
Thanks!

I'm watching now...
Right on.
Now, for the non flyers here, please explain,
what causes this again?
These are prop engines. Is it strictly the heat from the exhaust causing this?



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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by dodadoom
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I dont call bunk very often but, there were no jets IN WW2! Right?
They wasn't even invented till the 50's!
Um, you wouldn't happen to have a linky for that WW2 video btw would ya?



Enjoy




Interesting how that plane shuts its "contrails" off at :43

I put contrails in quotes, because if your watch the plane, it's
obvious it's spraying something.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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FAKE! You made that one in Avid along with Cineplex 3d... Obviously CG.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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OOps, Oz and I copied each other!!

Here's one, sorry the narrator is kinda boring...




posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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I put contrails in quotes, because if your watch the plane, it's
obvious it's spraying something.


Come on!!!

WW II. Bombers. Loaded as much as possible with BOMBS!!! Need enough fuel, but JUST ENOUGH, to get to targets, and return to base (hopefully). NO EXTRA ROOM for excess weight!!!

Critical reasoning skills, please.

AND, just as today, contrails form (or not) because of the differences in the Relative Humidity. WATCH and learn, please.

PLEASE??!



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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He doesnt shut it off, the plane simply moves into a dry air pocket. Explain he can shut off something and then restart it so quickly. Remember these planes are travelling quite fast



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Udontknowme

Interesting how that plane shuts its "contrails" off at :43

I put contrails in quotes, because if your watch the plane, it's
obvious it's spraying something.


This can't be a serious contribution to the thread. Do you realize that a plane's engine can go idle, just like a car's? Planes do have the ability to glide..

Yes, in 1944 they were spraying chemicals into our atmosphere. You do realize this was a time when people thought smoking cigarettes was good for you right?



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
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He doesnt shut it off, the plane simply moves into a dry air pocket. Explain he can shut off something and then restart it so quickly. Remember these planes are travelling quite fast




Pause the video at :49

The one plane has just shut his off, and the other wasn't making any at all.

Pockets of air.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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The thread is just being trolled now. Might be time to move on to more fulfilling endeavors.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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The one plane has just shut his off, and the other wasn't making any at all.


I don't know WHY I try....

We have been over this dozens of times, air is different everywhere.

Your eyes cannot see the difference in relative Humidity...water vapor is INVISIBLE, it becomes visible when it condenses out of vapor status to ice or liquid. It is that simple!

Lying, ignoring, deflecting...serve no purpose. Intentionally misunderstanding serves no purpose.

What part of the fact that these were Bombers in a World War on life-or-death missions will you refuse to understand, or just play games about?

Taking off on their missions, ones that they had every chance of DIEING on...the airplanes were at MAX weight...with the ordinance, and fuel required!!

Really. There are people with reasonable questions, and those who contribute value to these threads. YOU do neither.



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