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2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Buy a Prius, Hurt the Planet
I recently read an article by Chris Demorro, in which he notes the path taken by nickel, mined in Ontario, Canada, then shipped to Europe, then to China, then to Japan and finally to the United States for assembly into a Toyota Prius. The net energy used to build the batteries for the Prius is really astounding and the environmental damage done by the mine is pretty bad. The battery production process doesn’t seem inline with the general public’s perception of the Prius and due to the tax credits involved in buying a hybrid vehicle, it should be a concern to all taxpayers.
Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius....When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.
However, if that was the only issue with the Prius, I wouldn’t be writing this article. It gets much worse.
Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.
“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?
Wait, I haven’t even got to the best part yet.
When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius’s arch nemesis.
Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles - the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
Originally posted by mrpotatohead
The green movement is just a small part of the large picture. it's a sham like everything else the government does. Remember---it's all about control. The government wants it, and they are getting it, every day, a little more. You won't recognize this country in a few years. So, so, sad, and I fear it's too late to change anything.
17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Originally posted by DjSharperimage
like i said;
the plug in technology is only 3 years old'
give it time to improve;
comparing it to the gasoline engine which has had over 100 years to evolve is just pure BS;
[edit on 22-8-2009 by DjSharperimage]
Originally posted by heliosprime
But distribution would still loose 75% from generator to "plugin"...
Transmission and distribution losses in the USA were estimated at 7.2% in 1995
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by heliosprime
But distribution would still loose 75% from generator to "plugin"...
You said this was a FACT so I checked it since it seems outlandish. It seems to be off by approximately a factor of 10.
Losses
Transmission and distribution losses in the USA were estimated at 7.2% in 1995
Direct link to cited source:
tech-options-1-3-2.pdf
Originally posted by heliosprime
Your sources are as usual a bit flawed.
Total distribution losses are not "resistance" alone.
They also include isolator failures, conductor failures, storms, peak summer ambient temperatures, animal based disruptions, and many more including generator "brush" overheating.
Losses depend on a variety of factors, including the physical properties
of transmission facilities, the distance the electricity must travel, and the current use of transmission facilities by others. The costs of system losses are sometimes included in uplift charges borne equally by all transmission system users, which leads to inefficient use of the system.
Electricity losses in transmission and distribution
systems exceed 10 percent of total electricity generated. Reducing these losses would represent
hundred of millions of dollars in annual savings to the nation’s electricity bill.
The transmission and distribution or “T&D” system, then, includes everything between a generation plant and an end-use site. Along the way, some of the energy supplied by the generator is lost due to the resistance of the wires and equipment that the electricity passes through. Most of this energy is converted to heat. Just how much energy is taken up as losses in the T&D system depends greatly on the physical characteristics of the system in question as well as how it is operated. Generally speaking, T&D losses between 6% and 8% are considered normal.
T&D losses amounted to 239 million MWh, or 6.1% of net generation. Multiplying that number by the national average retail price of electricity for 2005, we can estimate those losses came at a cost to the US economy of just under $19.5 billion.
read this first and learn...
The combined "system" losses are and always have been approx 75% of original generator output.............
Originally posted by Nineteen
reply to post by DjSharperimage
The problem today is that everything is controlled by large corporations and the people have no power of their own in regards to innovation.