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Originally posted by Grandma
I have been a Christian over 30 years and feel very secure in the knowledge and wisdom that I have come to believe from my Bible, from prayer, fellowship with other believers, seeking wisdom and knowledge. studying, and most important my alone time with our Heavenly Father.
I am 60 years old and what I have come to believe, I feel deep in my heart and soul. My faith has always fealt right to me and I have always fealt in a close loving relationship with the Lord, Jesus Christ. I had deep-rooted faith. The key word here, had.
Some of you know that Leo-Virgo is my daughter. If you know that and me then you know we don't quite agree with what we believe. And as of late she has been sharing her faith with me, we all have been there. We are so excited about what wisdom we have come across and want to share it all with others. I must admit it is exciting for me to hear the excitement in her voice and see the love shineing from her eyes as she tells me what she has learned.
The problem is IT all goes away from ALL that I thought I knew and now I am given new ideas to consider and to ponder on. Wisdom that turns mine and what I have come to believe and trust into doubt and confusion.
My question to other Christians is, how do you handle situtions like this? It's not so simple. When the other person bringing this "good news" to you has some truth to it that as a seeker of new wisdom you find you must sift it and weigh it. Then you compare it with your wisdom and find maybe there is truth in what she is bringing to you and it totally rocks you to your core. Who is right? What do you believe now? What wisdom do you fall back on?
Needless to say this has caused me much thinking and researching again. NOT only of the enlightment I have believed all these years and held my faith too but also I must cinsider her enlightment and does this have an impact on my faith and if so am I willing to see those changes and accept them.
How do you handle situtions where others who once believed what you did and now feel God leading them a different way and finding new wisdom, what do you do? Now remember this person is changed in spirit, a sweerter more giving spirit. She has a glow about her and when she shares her heart her eyes light up. The Bible says, "You will know them by their fruits." Can we both be right and on a different path. Is there more then one way to the Father?
This has indeed tested my faith and what and WHY I believe what I do and that is not a bad thing to happen to us. We all must be able to stand and give an account of our faith to others at all times.
Peace to all.
Proverbs 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Since the past can not be fixed, then there must not be any punishment involved in your past actions.
There is no way to fix the past, and if you do bad things you will still reap what you sow.
Since there is no negative repercussions involved in you past actions, why concern yourself with any future actions? By doing so, you are fixing your errors and in the future you will not sow bad things, so you will not reap bad things.You don’t reap any bad things, anyway, according to your world view. Apparently you are deserving of good things, such as the ability to become good, despite your past, so why not assume you will get good things regardless of what you do in the future?
But in the future you can change/fix the error of your way, and from that point on continue on the correct way.
Also, there are 2 types of death. Death of the body, and death of the soul. The verse you are referring to is of the body and was instruction for men.
Here are a few verses that show there are more than just one person in heaven.
The point is that the payment is only due to the father. How many people own a bank on earth has no relevance on the topic, as it's not like the payment for sins is due to anyone but the father.
“To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.”
The Analogy fits, if you look at the one aspect, that the person deserving of punishment should feel pity for the other who takes it for him. The reason for the such thing as a whipping boy goes directly against the proposed circumstances of the perfect sacrifice of Christ. The so-called, Divine Rights of Kings, that would not allow the young princes to be struck by anyone lower in status than the King himself, necessitating a commoner to stand in for the royal.
Since when did having a whipping boy mean Justice is being done?
In a way it is, and in a way it is not. It is by faith. It comes through belief in a past event that is sufficient for us to be saved, and belief that Jesus and God will carry out the end of Judgment that will create the place for us to live, in the state of righteousness, having been saved. This is the final end of sin, which happens after the sins, transferred to Jesus, and payment paid for our part in playing out the physical acts of those sins, and the evidence for that payment presented in the Heavenly Temple, the guilt for those sins, being instigated by him in the first place, are placed on Satan and he is destroyed forever.
It's completely the opposite of justice. The innocent person being punished for the crimes of others - that is not justice. By saying Jesus did it for you, then you are actually saying what you speak of and is the "end of it".
What? What is “it”? Jesus? All the stuff about becoming better people is fine. It is true that we can not ignore our self improvement and the conforming of our will with the will of God. We also need to understand the evilness of sin and how destructive it is and how much we have to strive to avoid it and how important it is that we do that. We recognize it in the fact that Jesus had to die because of sin.
I'm saying there is a much higher and deeper purpose behind it.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Jesus died because the world was not ready for him.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
If he came today, the one with the mind of God, we would kill him again. We are not ready to bring heaven to earth.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
If Jesus saves us....why does he tell us to pick up our cross?