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reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 02:51 PM by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by mappam


sure that'll work, but like I said in the OP, I've already got TP. I'm out in the woods, and have a wood stove. I've done the whole water from snow on the wood stove, but it takes an incredible long time; from snow.

Outside isn't too practical in an extreme climate. Many of the storms are just too strong for warmth. Being outside in -10F with a wind is a real killer.

I've not said the water won't work, but in a northern climate it can be very dangerous; is all.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 04:53 PM by KRISKALI777
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Hot rocks man!
When in Kashmere, India; I saw the Kashmeries carrying small wicker baskets. They filled these with heated rocks, and carried them around under their poncho's. It was like having ducted heating under your sweater.

[edit on 8/22/2009 by KRISKALI777]


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 05:12 PM by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by mappam




Actually I would prefer a cold(er) climate than a hot one. Easier to keep food fresh. Easier to keep 'waste' from contaminating the area (also keep the smells from this away or at bay).


Yes, I agree with what You said above. Yes, my cabin is almost completely self sustaining. The woodstove can cook me out at times. That's the reason I have extra TP., to barter with. I've got a generator with a MTS; so I've got power. Many People don't have my set up though, and that is the direction I'm coming at regarding water, and the cold.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 08:22 PM by KRISKALI777
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Hot rocks are great; they call this device a 'Winter-Wife'!
they use an insulated 'pot' inside the basket- for obvious reasons.
I tried to find a photographic example of this, but had no luck.
Winter wife being the english name; I am not sure what that is in Urdu though.



reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 10:09 PM by phi1618
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


hehe, water + hand = TP

i think in a survival situation TP would be the least of my worries.


reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 10:26 PM by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by KRISKALI777


I'm gonna need to look that up; I've never heard of that, and it sounds absolutely interesting. It amazes me how indigenous People all across the world have methods; which will totally enable their survival compared to the average Westerner.

reply to post by prevenge


I can see Your thinking, and it even works correctly in My mind, but I guess I'd really need to think on it.

Kinda brings up the thought process as the rocks above........like a Pooo heat sink..

reply to post by phi1618


I should have made it more clear in the OP; I meant in the sustainable form of survival.... like in a small rural community, or farm community. I would put the TP on par with a means to barter. Sure, gearing up to live in the woods the TP would be the least of My concerns, but to trade, or barter was more the direction intended.

reply to post by calstorm


that's a good question. Obviously the market would set the price, but for People wanting the finer things because they have done well in a survival situation, I could see them paying a decent amount. No dollars would be around in a barter situation, but I'd bet You could get upwards of 10 times the value of it today...just a guess.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


I totally agree creature comforts are key to any survival. I have tried my best to get away from the electrical, or dependency of it. I have several reasons for this personal belief: such as one of the newer weapons conceived by DARPA is B 52's set up with EMP weapons., Next would be the possibility of Solar Flares, which rumors are circulating that the govt. is preparing for that one., finally is the possibility of a pole shift, should this happen no electrical motors, or generators will work.....They'll be out of phase.
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