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Originally posted by ziggy1706
Bull! The only reason the us military is on columbia, is to help and ensure cocoaine makes it too our streets, so more people get hooked n messed up. Theirs a documentary on hbo time to time, about how the CIA smuggles coc aine in. A plice detective for LAPD stepped forward, and told the names of 3 operations... AMADAUES< watchtower, and i forget the other one. Everyone knows coc aine msotly is form columbia. SO! IF our troops are over in afghanistan overseeing the harvest of opium, ide imagine the same in columbia
Originally posted by RoofMonkey
reply to post by rjmelter
"Empire" is an erroneous term. Spain, had an empire. England, had an empire. The U.S. generally will leave you alone unless you are d**king with them. Once your ability or desire to d*** with them is gone, you are left alone. Venezuela was not controlled by the US government, and only became a concern when a tyrant seized control of the government. He has seized property of private citizens, and corporate entities. He has even gone as far as seizing companies that are owned by Mexican companies.
If the U.S. was an "empire," then this would never have gotten as far as it has. As soon as Chavez made a move to seize power he would have been eliminated and forces would have been moved into the country, an action that all empires have historically performed.
I cannot speak for You, but I've long quit believing the US Govt. They lie, lie, and then lie a little more. Remember WMD's in Iraq??? Where are they even to this day? LIE! Weren't we supposed to be fighting a war on terror, but it's looking like more of an empirical march for world domination. War on Terror LIE!
Navy Reestablishes U.S. 4th Fleet
Story Number: NNS080424-13
Release Date: 4/24/2008 3:32:00 PM
By Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Alan Gragg, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command Public Affairs
MAYPORT, Fla. (NNS) -- Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Gary Roughead announced today the reestablishment of U.S. 4th Fleet and assigned Rear Adm. Joseph D. Kernan, currently serving as Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, as its first commander.
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U.S. 4th Fleet was original established in 1943 as one of the original numbered fleets, and was given a specific mission. During World War II, the U.S. needed a command in charge of protecting against raiders, blockade runners and enemy submarines in the South Atlantic. U.S. 4th Fleet was disestablished in 1950 when U.S. 2nd Fleet took over its responsibilities.
Big bad U.S. last i looked in Iraq since the U.S. left certain parts there killing each other wholesale. Afghanistan if your a women under the Talaban seems like a fun life to live.Chavez What a great guy he's taking everyones rights away but he soooo great he's helping the poor,he's no dummy he knows what to do use the poor to vote you in get the dictatorship going, Rid your self of free thinking people.
Originally posted by Sundancer
The US already has a bunch of places they're killing people. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and so on. I wish they would leave the Latin American countries alone.
Originally posted by ziggy1706
I mean, weve been in afghanistan for what 8 years now? Iraq since the 90's..and not one one soldier or marine can eliminate the taliban? If this was WWII, and with inferior weapons, for sure, we would have already have rounded them all up for justice nad sentencing, if our troops hadnt killed them already. Now , it seems their just chasing dust in the wind, running after thier tails like a dog playng would, all at billuions of tax dollars go0me to waste.
Originally posted by harpsounds
For some very compelling arguments of USA being an empire, I would recommend reading some of Prof. Niall Ferguson's works. I don't agree with everything he says, he seems to think it's a good thing, but it's still very good and interesting work. The idea of the USA being an empire mostly seems to be controversial in the USA, strangely.
Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
I think the correct amount is trillions of dollars on these recent wars alone.
Preliminary cost of War on Terror stands at $2.4 Trillion
Of all the ways to make money, nothing is as profitable as war for
the banksters.
The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.
Originally posted by RoofMonkey
Originally posted by harpsounds
For some very compelling arguments of USA being an empire, I would recommend reading some of Prof. Niall Ferguson's works. I don't agree with everything he says, he seems to think it's a good thing, but it's still very good and interesting work. The idea of the USA being an empire mostly seems to be controversial in the USA, strangely.
"...best known outside academia for his revisionist views..."
In other words, some one who re-writes history to suit his needs. Much like the nit-wits who try to paint some one else as the cause for their problems. "IT'S NOT MY FAULT, THEY DID IT TO ME"
Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by jsobecky
No, I'm calling the way I see it. Your good at researching. Go look up kernan. He was an odd pick for the Fleet Flag Officer as his background is in Spec.Ops, or BlackOps.
His entire career is based off of gorilla combat, and subversion. Combine kernan's 4th Fleet with Colombia, and it looks like more empirical crusades by the NWO led USA.
Hey, I'm only trying to stop war, or really Support Our Troops, by keeping them out of Harms way!