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USA To Return to South America To Seize Venezuelan Oil Fields

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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by ziggy1706
Bull! The only reason the us military is on columbia, is to help and ensure cocoaine makes it too our streets, so more people get hooked n messed up. Theirs a documentary on hbo time to time, about how the CIA smuggles coc aine in. A plice detective for LAPD stepped forward, and told the names of 3 operations... AMADAUES< watchtower, and i forget the other one. Everyone knows coc aine msotly is form columbia. SO! IF our troops are over in afghanistan overseeing the harvest of opium, ide imagine the same in columbia


Yeah, this article here covers it a fair bit though it is not the most
reputable source of information there is a lot of other sources
quoted within it.

Mena Arkansas - coc aine delivery airport

I think several presidents have known about this, and it has continued
on for a long while now.

I think some of the early parts of it were during Vietnam with
"Air America" and it hasn't stopped since.

Air America - allegations of drug smuggling

The CIA has been suspect for awhile now, and in my opinion based
on relatives who served in the military at least some of the CIA is dirty.

What went on at Mena thou was known by Clinton as his brother in
law Roger Clinton who was convicted by a jury was allowed to walk
due to a pardon by Bill Clinton.

Roger Clinton - guilty of coc aine distribution - pardoned by Bill C.

So if you dig around a bit, you see some strange things out there.




posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by RoofMonkey
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"Empire" is an erroneous term. Spain, had an empire. England, had an empire. The U.S. generally will leave you alone unless you are d**king with them. Once your ability or desire to d*** with them is gone, you are left alone. Venezuela was not controlled by the US government, and only became a concern when a tyrant seized control of the government. He has seized property of private citizens, and corporate entities. He has even gone as far as seizing companies that are owned by Mexican companies.

If the U.S. was an "empire," then this would never have gotten as far as it has. As soon as Chavez made a move to seize power he would have been eliminated and forces would have been moved into the country, an action that all empires have historically performed.


For some very compelling arguments of USA being an empire, I would recommend reading some of Prof. Niall Ferguson's works. I don't agree with everything he says, he seems to think it's a good thing, but it's still very good and interesting work. The idea of the USA being an empire mostly seems to be controversial in the USA, strangely.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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I thought it was just U.S commanders, for training purposes??


The U.S, with Colombias help could EASILY topple over the Venezulean military and political infrastructure. no prob



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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im going to watch that movie by kevin booth in a couple minutes. i will post back after wards.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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I cannot speak for You, but I've long quit believing the US Govt. They lie, lie, and then lie a little more. Remember WMD's in Iraq??? Where are they even to this day? LIE! Weren't we supposed to be fighting a war on terror, but it's looking like more of an empirical march for world domination. War on Terror LIE!


Exaggerate much?


"empirical march for world domination"?

As far as the 4th fleet...



Navy Reestablishes U.S. 4th Fleet
Story Number: NNS080424-13
Release Date: 4/24/2008 3:32:00 PM
By Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Alan Gragg, U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command Public Affairs

MAYPORT, Fla. (NNS) -- Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Gary Roughead announced today the reestablishment of U.S. 4th Fleet and assigned Rear Adm. Joseph D. Kernan, currently serving as Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, as its first commander.
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U.S. 4th Fleet was original established in 1943 as one of the original numbered fleets, and was given a specific mission. During World War II, the U.S. needed a command in charge of protecting against raiders, blockade runners and enemy submarines in the South Atlantic. U.S. 4th Fleet was disestablished in 1950 when U.S. 2nd Fleet took over its responsibilities.


www.navy.mil...

A bit dramatic, aren't you? Do a little research first...



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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The US already has a bunch of places they're killing people. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and so on. I wish they would leave the Latin American countries alone.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by Sundancer
The US already has a bunch of places they're killing people. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and so on. I wish they would leave the Latin American countries alone.
Big bad U.S. last i looked in Iraq since the U.S. left certain parts there killing each other wholesale. Afghanistan if your a women under the Talaban seems like a fun life to live.Chavez What a great guy he's taking everyones rights away but he soooo great he's helping the poor,he's no dummy he knows what to do use the poor to vote you in get the dictatorship going, Rid your self of free thinking people.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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No, I'm calling the way I see it. Your good at researching. Go look up kernan. He was an odd pick for the Fleet Flag Officer as his background is in Spec.Ops, or BlackOps.

His entire career is based off of gorilla combat, and subversion. Combine kernan's 4th Fleet with Colombia, and it looks like more empirical crusades by the NWO led USA.

Hey, I'm only trying to stop war, or really Support Our Troops, by keeping them out of Harms way!



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Again take kernan with some of the mission parameters he gave, like: operating in the littorals, or patrolling in green waters, or going boots dry.

Operating in the littorals is when the ships are visible from shore, or in my book *********intimidation************

Green waters are rivers.........which aren't International Waters, but would be territorial waters of the different Latin American Countries............ In my book that's not far off from invasion, or ********occupation*********

Going boots dry...........equates out to having soldiers deployed on ground missions............again invasion, occupation, or blackops.

Combine all that with the bases now in Colombia, and it's not good. The other countries didn't reup. any base contracts because they want the US gone from there.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 01:23 AM
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Oh, well. Ole Hugo predicted this a few years ago. He claimed the U.S. would invade Venezuela for oil, I guess he has the inside information? Oh, how convenient for Venezuela to spark the interest of Russia and begin the import of Russian weapon systems and now, like a prophesy come true, it all starts to fall into place. Is it just me, or does everything seem to follow a script?



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by ziggy1706
I mean, weve been in afghanistan for what 8 years now? Iraq since the 90's..and not one one soldier or marine can eliminate the taliban? If this was WWII, and with inferior weapons, for sure, we would have already have rounded them all up for justice nad sentencing, if our troops hadnt killed them already. Now , it seems their just chasing dust in the wind, running after thier tails like a dog playng would, all at billuions of tax dollars go0me to waste.




I think the correct amount is trillions of dollars on these recent wars alone.

Preliminary cost of War on Terror stands at $2.4 Trillion

Of all the ways to make money, nothing is as profitable as war for
the banksters.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by harpsounds

For some very compelling arguments of USA being an empire, I would recommend reading some of Prof. Niall Ferguson's works. I don't agree with everything he says, he seems to think it's a good thing, but it's still very good and interesting work. The idea of the USA being an empire mostly seems to be controversial in the USA, strangely.


"...best known outside academia for his revisionist views..."

In other words, some one who re-writes history to suit his needs. Much like the nit-wits who try to paint some one else as the cause for their problems. "IT'S NOT MY FAULT, THEY DID IT TO ME"



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech


I think the correct amount is trillions of dollars on these recent wars alone.

Preliminary cost of War on Terror stands at $2.4 Trillion

Of all the ways to make money, nothing is as profitable as war for
the banksters.



For this year... as of right now, about 512.4 Billion for defense, 412.9 Billion for social security, 400.1 Billion for Medicare, Medicaid, 303.9 Billion on interest on the national debt, which sits at about 11.7 Trillion dollars.

As profitable as war? Try Credit Default Swaps and bank bailouts.

From 2002...in a New York Times Opinion piece:


The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.


NYT

This was fully SIX YEARS before that housing bubble burst. And who was driving it?

Hint: Andrea Mitchell's husband.

And who does he do consulting work for now? Pimco.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by RoofMonkey

Originally posted by harpsounds

For some very compelling arguments of USA being an empire, I would recommend reading some of Prof. Niall Ferguson's works. I don't agree with everything he says, he seems to think it's a good thing, but it's still very good and interesting work. The idea of the USA being an empire mostly seems to be controversial in the USA, strangely.


"...best known outside academia for his revisionist views..."

In other words, some one who re-writes history to suit his needs. Much like the nit-wits who try to paint some one else as the cause for their problems. "IT'S NOT MY FAULT, THEY DID IT TO ME"



'Revisionist' does not necessarily imply that the outcome is false. Sometimes we do have to revise history, when new facts come to light. There's nothing inherently wrong with revisionism, if it's done correctly.

If you don't like Ferguson though, there are many others you could read to get a grasp of what the people on the other side of this issue to you believe and why. D'Souza is another I found interesting on both that topic, and the topic of resource war.

I'm not sure why some people find it so controversial to describe the USA as an empire, if you go around invading counties, engaging in proxy wars, installing puppet regimes, using economic measures to force people to act the way you want, build military bases in about half the counties in the world, and so on, then I think Empire is a fair term. It doesn't even have to be negative, if you take the view of someone like Ferguson, it can be a positive thing if you improve the conditions for the populace in those counties you meddle in.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by jsobecky
 


No, I'm calling the way I see it. Your good at researching. Go look up kernan. He was an odd pick for the Fleet Flag Officer as his background is in Spec.Ops, or BlackOps.

His entire career is based off of gorilla combat, and subversion. Combine kernan's 4th Fleet with Colombia, and it looks like more empirical crusades by the NWO led USA.

Hey, I'm only trying to stop war, or really Support Our Troops, by keeping them out of Harms way!


In June 09, Commander 4th Fleet was assumed by RADM Victor Guillory. He's your basic Surface Warfare officer, nothing as exotic as Specops like Kernan.

www.navy.mil...



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 03:32 AM
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You know I'm relieved to know Kernan was replaced. Thanks for sharing that. Maybe they are standing down a tad bit.



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