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USA To Return to South America To Seize Venezuelan Oil Fields

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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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Just throwing my thoughts around!!!!
As the Iraq war what was justified as a nuclear weapon invasion.
and they had no weapons of mass destruction .
My thought is the main focus on employment was to find ancient artifacts and or a star gate to help development of their super powers to have a advantage over their allies .

Hitler was all focused on ancient artifacts back in the second world war.
and the USA has picked up on where he left off.

why now Venezuela.

There is many a good thread relating to this here on ATS

THANKS

Ocker


[edit on 22/8/2009 by ocker]




posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Kram09
Forgive my ignorance but as far as Hugo Chavez goes, why is he considered "bad?"

I read a lot of comments basically just saying he is bad or crazy or something. Why is that? What has he done? Why is it exactly that the United States government dislike him so much?

I'd like to see a United South America, similar in style to the European Union. I don't know the chances of that happening....i am sure i read about it somewhere once.

He's bad because he won't bow down to the US.
Just like with Iraq, Sadam was given second chance to bow down, he didn't and they couldn't put hit on him so they sent in the military.

At one time I thought we were the good guys, little did I know, our Government were murdering B######, if Leader of another country would not Bow Down, they would Murder him.

Just like they said Castro was so Evil, you know there is no one going hungry in Cuba, can't say that for US, and it appears the people are happy, the ones I saw looked healthy, they weren't obese. Beans and rice, I love beans and rice, that's my emergency rations.

And don't say I'm a commi, I will be soon but it's called Marxist, Socialist.

Oh, the SAU is coming just like the NAU.

Another thing Iran and Venezuela are buddies big time.


[edit on 22-8-2009 by googolplex]



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Obama’s Rollback Strategy: Honduras, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan (and the Boomerang Effect)

www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Yeah, i think it wa american drug. VERY informative information
i think everyone should ge a chance to see it, if they do. Well, it could very well be an actual military thing going on their in columbia. I just used to fiding it hard to belive at all, we are an actual democracy that wants to spread freedom anymore. Its all about global corporations, and aas everyone knows, its cut throat business. And since the navya nd military have evolved into this industrial complex..theirs yuor answer. war makes money, which seems to be the game were in.
I mean, weve been in afghanistan for what 8 years now? Iraq since the 90's..and not one one soldier or marine can eliminate the taliban? If this was WWII, and with inferior weapons, for sure, we would have already have rounded them all up for justice nad sentencing, if our troops hadnt killed them already. Now , it seems their just chasing dust in the wind, running after thier tails like a dog playng would, all at billuions of tax dollars go0me to waste.

CMON! Everyone knows buhs was up to no good, and thiers till memos being found, what his thoughts were and what he was up too, towards us(citizens). obama seems to be the predesesor to him....so! naturally, with all go0ing on, im just used to finding it hard to belive at all, the generals and military have a peaceful agenda or short term wa to end the trouble. seems like their intention, is to occupy, control, and spend as much $$$ to make mroe in return.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by TheLoony
Oh goody, the American Empire expands even more.

Why we have to takeover the world is really beyond me. The bloody government can't fix a damned thing here yet they can go to S. America(or anywhere, for that matter) and cause problems.

I guess we need the armed forces down there, they must be there to protect the business interests of America - you know, gotta protect all that oil we don't have, yet.

Another day, another country to take over. Business as usual for the American Empire.


Perhaps it would be good for Freedom to expand... However, i do not feel the U.S. should extend its empire until it can fix its own problems... disregard other peoples problems. Thats like owning a mall with too expensive rental spaces... nobody is going to sell from there and nobody is going to buy from there...

VOID



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Chavez may be butthead, but he stood up to the US Governement. That makes him pretty alright in my book. He spat in the face of dubya. That's always a good thing. But if you really think about it, the big O and the big C really aren't that different. They are going to make really good friends. Of course, if Chavez doesn't want to bow down to O, the supreme ruler, then I guess we could always dust off our jungle gear. It's been a while since we sent a bunch of fine young men off to their deaths in a sweltering jungle.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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Sounds completely plausible to me, I'm sure the USA would love to get their hands on Venezuela's oil.


Not necessarily. Venezuelan oil is not high quality; it is very crude and requires a lot of expensive refining.

Why go that route when we have so many untapped resources here in America?



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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"Empire" is an erroneous term. Spain, had an empire. England, had an empire. The U.S. generally will leave you alone unless you are d**king with them. Once your ability or desire to d*** with them is gone, you are left alone. Venezuela was not controlled by the US government, and only became a concern when a tyrant seized control of the government. He has seized property of private citizens, and corporate entities. He has even gone as far as seizing companies that are owned by Mexican companies.

If the U.S. was an "empire," then this would never have gotten as far as it has. As soon as Chavez made a move to seize power he would have been eliminated and forces would have been moved into the country, an action that all empires have historically performed.

Bleating that the U.S. is preparing to invade you nothing more than a way to curry favor with the mindless TV holics and idiots throughout the world.

Want to support HUGO CHAVEZ? Buy more CITGO gas.

CITGO has been owned by Petroleos de Venezuala since about 1990.



[edit on 22-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Your correct!!! China is all over Latin America Now. The US is done for down there, and imo they are steamed by it, but the fact is they overused the People, and resources there; only to give back puppet banana republics.
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So far no one in this forum seems to have commented on the 4th Fleet being in operation. It's all over the Venezuelan coast almost like a blockade; those are the waters they are patrolling.

The only other time the 4th Fleet was deployed was in WW 2......

The US Empire, what's left of it has some heavy sheeeeet planned out, imo.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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See I can agree they are do create an "atmosphere", but like in this article I don't think they are too far off the map. The US/UK/OZ News sources seem to me nothing more than absolute propaganda machines.

I know You aren't the one particularly picking on Pravda, and that's good because as unfortunate as it is, imho Russia has one of the overall better news services out there. Sheeple watching/reading it believe it's all propaganda, but that's because they wouldn't be able to recognize the truth, even should it strike them dead.

I remember during 08-08-08 Georgian Invasion that Novosti, Pravda, and a few others were all majorly hacked for a day, or more.

Funny the "truthful" Western World News Agencies weren't hacked at all.

Yes, I think the Western news sources suck, but should an article stand on it's own ***merit***, then I'll even use Fox Noise, but usually they don't.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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great post!

I always find it funny when the most logical arguments get ignored.

If it doesnt help feed the conspiracy fire people dont like to recognize logical intelligent comments when it is slappuing them in the face..

Well said, and expect your logic and reasonable argument to be ignored...



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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I read what they wrote, and I guess You responded to what YOU considered the omnipotent source of truth.

I cannot speak for You, but I've long quit believing the US Govt. They lie, lie, and then lie a little more. Remember WMD's in Iraq??? Where are they even to this day? LIE! Weren't we supposed to be fighting a war on terror, but it's looking like more of an empirical march for world domination. War on Terror LIE!

Ask me to believe it's all routine in Colombia when all of Latin America is in an uproar over it?

It's aggression pure, and simple....... I'll argue all day long with You, but I'd recommend not getting Your news from the propaganda MSM in the States.

I didn´t post this as to add to fear mongering, but to add to VIGILANCE. People who are aware can make a difference. People who sleep in ignorant bliss will continue adding strength to the NWO.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
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... Remember WMD's in Iraq??? Where are they even to this day? LIE!


Whatever you want to believe, I guess....



Mon Jul 7, 2008 3:32pm BST

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's government has removed 550 tonnes of natural uranium left over from Saddam Hussein's era and sold it to a Canadian company, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

The uranium, called yellowcake, had been stored in a compound at Tuwaitha, south of Baghdad, which was once the centre of Saddam's nuclear weapons programme.

A U.S. embassy spokeswoman confirmed the U.S. military helped safely ship the uranium out of the country.

"The Iraqi government decided to get rid of the uranium, which amounted to 550 tonnes, because of its potentially harmful affects on Iraq and the region and because it causes pollution," Dabbagh said on Iraqiya state television late on Sunday.


Reuters






By William Branigin and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, May 18, 2004; Page A14

An artillery shell containing the nerve agent sarin exploded near a U.S. military convoy in Baghdad recently, releasing a small amount of the deadly chemical and slightly injuring two ordnance disposal experts, a top U.S. military official in Iraq said yesterday.

The discovery of the nerve agent, reported yesterday by a team that has been searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq since shortly after last year's U.S.-led invasion, marked the first time the team has found one of the types of weapons that the Bush administration cited as initial justification for toppling the government of Saddam Hussein.


Washington Post



Major threat? Probably not. These are leftovers. Coupled with the shenanighans that Hussein was pulling with the UNITED NATIONS weapon inspectors, and that he wanted the world to believe he still had the capability... he got what he wanted.

We believed him. Now he's dead.

[edit on 22-8-2009 by RoofMonkey]



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I guess I feel sorry for You, or any of Your family when The NWO puts the US in harms way again soon; they will.

It won't be my Family, or I doing the dying for profit of the Elite. It'll obviously be People such as Yourself that'll buy into the lies; for what??? So You maintain a lie of freedom we've all had shoved down Our throats since little?

Your links didn't show WMD's even as You Yourself mentioned. There were none.

Take any country who is even a tad bit modernized, and there will be waste products. The shell???? One shell??? OMG, how many does the US have?

Like I said, it'll be Your family, or even You dying for lies; not Me, or Mine.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
Take any country who is even a tad bit modernized, and there will be waste products. The shell???? One shell??? OMG, how many does the US have?


I'm willing to bet you'd be squealing a different tune if you were the one to get sprayed with that chemical.


I think Chavez is just jealous because Michael Jackson and North Korea are getting more press than he is.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
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Your links didn't show WMD's even as You Yourself mentioned. There were none.




Well, then maybe you should refer to the appropriate UNITED NATIONS sanctions that are geared around his gassing of the Kurds and other misdeeds.

WMD's do not just make them selves.

Resolution 661 (1990)
Resolution 687 (1991)
Resolution 712 (1991)
Resolution 986 (1995)
Resolution 1051 (1996)
Resolution 1111 (1997)
Resolution 1115 (1997)
Resolution 1129 (1997)
Resolution 1134 (1997)
Resolution 1137 (1997)
Resolution 1143 (1997)
Resolution 1153 (1998)
Resolution 1158 (1998)
Resolution 1175 (1998)
Resolution 1194 (1998)
Resolution 1210 (1998)
Resolution 1242 (1999)
Resolution 1266 (1999)
Resolution 1281 (1999)
Resolution 1284 (1999)
Resolution 1302 (2000)
Resolution 1409 (2002)
Resolution 1472 (2003)
Resolution 1476 (2003)

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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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I read what they wrote, and I guess You responded to what YOU considered the omnipotent source of truth.


Huh? They? Omnipotent source of truth? A little dramatic and over defensive are we?

I like what the guy posted...I noticed his reasonable arguments were ignored (as most reasonable arguments that are made are normally ignored on this site) by the rest of the comments on the thread...

Christ, the ignorance is always abound isnt it? Somehow my comments spur your ignorant assumption of this?...


but I'd recommend not getting Your news from the propaganda MSM in the States.


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I didn´t post this as to add to fear mongering, but to add to VIGILANCE. People who are aware can make a difference.


Okey dokey. But you had a great post responding to your thread, and it went ignored. Why? Because you have nothing to counter that post with. So you and the rest of the peanut gallery ignored it...



People who sleep in ignorant bliss will continue adding strength to the NWO.


Ahh yes, theres my favorite conspiracy theory...the NWO...is there a thread that goes by without this nonsense being spewed?


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[edit on 22-8-2009 by open_eyeballs]



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:35 PM
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How do You classify the action of reforming the 4th Fleet for those waters??? Not done since WW 2??

connect the dots People. Colombia is not a laughing matter. It's not routine.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Why did we not find tons of WMD's as the Bush regime proclaimed We would? There were none, but hey we've almost got those oil fields, and Haliburton has almost Bk'd the country................

YES, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
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Why did we not find tons of WMD's as the Bush regime proclaimed We would? There were none, but hey we've almost got those oil fields, and Haliburton has almost Bk'd the country................

YES, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!


Perhaps you failed to see the dates on those resolutions.

We could continue, but arguing with you about data and indications that you can clearly NOT see... though placed directly in front of you... is pointless.










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