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best place to move in preperation of the apocalypse?

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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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If you would go a little farther east you could end up in idaho or even montana.Lots of like minded people out there.




posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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See an old movie (1962) - "Panic in Year Zero!". It is about a family just outside the city with their trailer - they witness a nuclear bomb go off in the city where they live - and how they survive it. All the information you need is there.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by lemmeknow
I too thought Canada would be a good spot. I know a way to a lake that you have to go through a lot of obstacles to get through but you can get a canoe and plenty of supplies where you'd be fine for at least a 5 months. Can't get enough of those walleye


Canada also has 1/10th the population of the USA.

So there will be less competition for food.

The one big draw back is the long winters, and if there is Nuclear
Winter it will be damn near all year long.

If you are gonna be anywhere near any of the military bases or
missile silos make sure and read about fallout and how to survive it.

"Nuclear War Survival Skills" is a good PDF online for free.

Nuclear War Survival Skills PDF - 510 pgs

Also some good reading is the online info " You will survive Doomsday"

You will survive Dommsday

There are a lot of misconceptions concerning fallout and radiation,
and getting the info straight is a good idea as things continue to
get dicey around the world.

This is free, so it doesn't cost you anything but your time.

If ppl have not figured it out yet, it would be a good idea to
lay in some long shelf life food as well and just put it on rotation.

At a minimum we are looking at more financial problems, and
a worse job situation.

If severe Inflation hits like it did in the 80's we could see 20+% interest
rates and the economy basically fall flat on its face.

If we see hyperinflation, then we go down the road of 20+ other
nations that saw it cost billions of dollars for a loaf of bread.

Examples of Hyperinflation

The financial pirates who cause it on purpose.

Confessions of an economic hitman - 2 part video

So even if Nuclear War is adverted, we are likely facing financial
trickery by domestic and foreign banksters.

Be ready to bug out from any location on short notice.

We do not know when it will happen, and there may be more than
one incident as the US has made more than its fair share of enemies
around the world with its 700+ bases in 130+ countries.

Once one thing happens, then the other possible scenarios may
be turned loose on the world to total wreck the economy in hopes
they can come in after wards and buy up things on the cheap for
pennies on the dollar.

Prepare accordingly...

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by saltdog
reply to post by calstorm
 


If you would go a little farther east you could end up in idaho or even montana.Lots of like minded people out there.


It is a bit close to Yellowstone for my liking and lots of silos too.

If it were just a financial collapse I'd say it would be great.

I think what is coming will anger a lot of other governments.

How far it will go I do not know, but it is not something I wanna play dice on.

Russia has spent billions getting ready for this too.

Mount Yamantau - underground city for 90,000 ?

Article on Yamatau by Global Security

The spending on this has continued up to present day.

And other countries are making preparations as well.

The Doomsday seed vault

One statement that was said long ago that still holds true is this,
for truth look not to their words, but to their actions.

I think there is a lot of truth in that statement as history has
shown we have been lied to a great deal.

Prepare accordingly...

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by calstorm
I'm headed to the emerald triangle of California. Lots of rivers, over population of deer. Very few areas that can be settled in to small towns so there is little population and tons of virgin unowned and state land, and winters aren't to bad.Why? Because I can't afford to by a piece of property up there.


Probably a good idea, plan to conceal yourself as other ppl
will likely go there as well.

Out of sight is out of mind.

You might pre-cache some supplies at some spots of low visibility.

Try to get a small group of like minded calm headed ppl to go with ya.

Good Luck !



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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Yeah one quote in the bible comes to mind. ( not verbatim )

"Even they who go unto the mountains shall know troubles."

To me that says get to the wilderness, and away from the primary targets.

Dealing with fallout you need to get 3 ft. of dirt between you and it.

I have posted a link to a PDF and a website that shows you how to
deal with it if it happens.

An underground option will be needed, or stacking 3 feet of materials around in all directions.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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Did you say not many people? I mean, if you can get out into the rural areas, yeah, but it's not much better than the USA on the Southern half. You'll need a lot of Grayhound tickets and at some point a pair of good boots. Stack up on Power Bars.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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Provided free travel is still ok Alaska that is where I would run off to a lot of wilderness to survive off of. That is provided that you know it's not the total end of the world than if I could get passage Cheyenne Mountain
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posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Definitely a small uninhabited island or key off of Florida, the Bahamas or in the Caribbean would be preferable. The smaller the better, the easier to police…plus…the easier to erect a casino, 4 or 5 star hotel, marina and adjacent convention complex. You survivalists are going to need a warm balmy tropical place to visit at, vacation in, hold your conventions and sell those beaver skins at from time to time.

Ah yes I can see it now, maybe a boxing ring for major prize fights too? Oh and a small arena or large theatre for concerts. Oh and an aquatic park with mammals and water slides! Oh yeah and a cruise ship port.

I suppose a fair sized runway for daily air flights too?

Oh screw it; I think I will just stay in Miami!

Try not to catch poison oak guys!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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In regards to farming, you can take some unconventional methods.

Don't plant in rows, plant in stealth patches.

Plant crops ppl are not used to seeing, like Giant Golden Amaranth.

It is a complete plant protein, along with buckwheat, and one other.

Another person mentioned that sunflowers do well in dry climates,
and I tend to agree, so I will be planting them out of the line of sight.

I will either eat the sunflower seeds or the critters eating the seeds.

I have some conventional heirloom seeds, and plan to pack them out
with me when I bug out.

You can sprout your seeds, or use the seedball technique to up
your odds on getting more crop per seed



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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I'm sure there will be patches of survivors in many areas. Even in areas devastated by mudslides, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, etc. there are always survivors. Many of them just lucky; no preparations whatsoever.

I prefer not to rely on luck. Just have nowhere else to go.

As for crops-you can plant root crops like carrots, turnips, beets, etc. Your food stays hidden in the dirt until you pluck it out to eat.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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When you pick your survival location always be aware of the dangers that go along with it.

IE
mudslides
earthquakes
hurricanes
flooding
wildfires


things of that nature usually catch people off guard!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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I am thinking northern Canada....by the way I am new to ATS. I have never really thought of a nuclear apocolypse, I am sure i will be one of the first few million to die. I always think of a zombie apocolypse, but I guess it doesnt really matter. It would be cold so...harsh living, zombies would be slowed down and gangs may not want to deal with that. Plus there would be plenty of food, hunting and fishing. I dont know how to do either so if there is anyone in northern Canada who wants to teach me then let me know.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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As far south of the Equator that you can get, without freezing to death. There are no nuclear armed nations south of the Equator, so hopefully there will be fewer targets for nuclear weapons.

Of course, if you're talking about the Biblical Apocalypse then the safest place to go would be Heaven. ;-)



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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You guys ever think that they are going to be able to detect you somehow? What if they have high altitude drones or satellites scanning for body heat or campfires? Then all they will have to do is come and gather you up from your lean-to in the forest.. Find a cave..



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Yup I already thought about that.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Anjaba
You guys ever think that they are going to be able to detect you somehow? What if they have high altitude drones or satellites scanning for body heat or campfires? Then all they will have to do is come and gather you up from your lean-to in the forest.. Find a cave..


methinks they'll be too busy controlling the city cattle, since us bush survivalists don't really pose a threat to them. of course, a cave is best nonetheless, because youll be safe from looters, there's good insulation against cold and nuclear fallout.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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in terms of farming,
do seedball forest gardening.
easy to learn and do,
main part of learning be learning local edible plants,
main part of doing be saving or obtaining seeds, making seedballs, throwing seedballs
leaves you with lots of free time
and plenty of food and timber.

seedball plants that animals like, and their populations can remain stable even if you use traps.

also good to have a pond nearby with a cob bottom.
you can make one.
if in the desert, can make a cob building with a roof so water stays inside,
make sure to have double doors or curvy passages with thick borders leading in increase the water that stays in.



ponds are good as rapid access water in case of fire, can have some frogs and fish there to eat mosquitos, some tall pond plants for dragon flies. beneficial insects, plants and animals.

as a general rule always have at least two exits (door and window) on opposite sides in every building, one for use, and one for emergency use.

good for in case of fire, rapid access to nearby water.

in terms of living somewhere with concealed heat signatures, use earth sheltered homes.
a log home or cob home be stable long term solutions.
make your home look like a natural feature like a hill, or part of a slope.

look at this simple cheap family built earth sheltered home,
covered in living grass uses wood found in the forest with the bark still attached.
www.simondale.net...

have efficient wood gas or rocket stoves or sevres kiln from brick or cob that produce smokeless efficient fires.

personally me and beloved be moving the the north american pacific west temperate rainforest.

much food, diverese eco system, stable mild temperatures.
it was great during the last ice age.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by lowki]

another suggestion,
human social networks naturally split at around 150 people,
so when the population of your village approaches a 100,
build a new village at least half a kilometer distant and have some people move in to the new settlement.

this increases the amount of friendly neighbouring villages and allows for natural social networks.

each village to have a clay tablet library.
preferably underground in the forest fire shelter.
though burning clay tablets only makes them stronger,
soot and falling trees be unsafe.


[edit on 25-8-2009 by lowki]



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by adnil
I also live in Canada (Quebec), we often go canoe camping up north and there are a lot of great places with very few people but I tend to think Northwest Territories or probably far north in any of the Canadian provinces from Quebec to BC.

I know it is cold but if you're well prepared it's doable and very few people, there are places where people have never been. Yeah I think up north would be one of the best places to head to.


There is that valley somewhere in the NWT that has all those geothermal vents and is way warmer than anywhere else in the NWT. Nahanni National Park, that's the name (thanks google).



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 06:23 AM
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I'm gonna hide in my cupboard in my hallway, EVERYTHING gets lost in that bloody place, I think I found Elvis in there one time, but it was only a 'wakkle' Elvis, one you hang off your car window.

I'm gonna take a good book, and some snacks, maybe the wife as well but I'm not sure about that yet.

Then I'll wait it out, and then when all the fuss has died down I'll come out and look upon my new world, and my imminent domain , as everyone else will have killed themselves off trampling over each other to get away from whatever event it is.

I'll be lording it up over the minions that are left... as I'll be the only one in the area to have food and water. If they want some they'll have to accept me as their lord and master . NYAaaahaahahaaaaa



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