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Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by harpsounds
You mean the Sun lining up with galactic center? No, that doesn't happen every year, it happens very rarely, but it does happen on the date given in Dec 2012.
I'm not saying it's the end of the world or anything like, or even that any specific will happen on that day. The positioning is just like a clock striking the exact moment of midnight, and it only lasts for a very brief moment if you want to get technical about it. The changes happen around it.
It just so happens that in the year 2012, as the Sun would be on the winter solstice as seen from Earth, it will also happen to be fairly close to the plane of the Galactic equator. If you drew a line from the Earth to the Sun at that day, you could keep the line going and end up reasonably close to the center of the Milky Way galaxy. (If you want to know where that is in your sky, it's in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius.)
My response to this is pretty much a big, "So what?" By the late 1990s, you could draw the same line on the winter solstice of that year, and land pretty close to the Galactic center. Works for the summer solstice, too, though in that case the line would go from the Sun to the Earth to the Galactic center. You could keep doing that every year on the solstices up through oh, the 2020s or so, depending how close you want to come. Nothing disastrous has been happening on the winter solstices that I've noticed. As I understand it, in 2012 the line will be closest to the Galactic center than in any of these other years.
Every year for the last 2000 years or so, on the winter solstice, the Earth, Sun and the galactic equator come into alignment, and every year, precession pushes the Sun's position a little way further through the Milky Way's band.
And I think a shift in consciousness is becoming self-evident whether or not you think the alignment has anything to do with it. But again I'm talking about things I know you haven't really looked into or practiced much yourself.
Originally posted by harpsounds
Could you give a source for your claim that it doesn't happen every year? My sources all say otherwise
The eclipse is the path traveled by the sun, moon, and planets through the sky. Twelve constellations lie along the ecliptic, and the sun passes through all twelve during the course of one year. The ecliptic cross over the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. As such, it forms a cross with the Milky Way, and this cosmic cross was called the Sacred Tree by the ancient Maya. (The cross form was also known as the "crossroads." Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D. 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years.
So I just have to accept it's 'self-evident'? No evidence here, true believers only?
How about the rise of the Greek philosophers, or the Enlightenment, or the many other times other the thousands of years of written history that people could say that 'consciousness' has shifted?
I am no expert by far, but I have read a number of books on the topic, by both believers and skeptics, and read most of the theories that are discussed widely in conspiracy/new age movements
As for practicing it myself, what exactly am I supposed to be practicing here?
Just as the spring equinox in the northern hemisphere is currently in the constellation of Pisces, so the winter solstice is currently in the constellation of Sagittarius, which happens to be the constellation intersected by the galactic equator. Every year for the last 2000 years or so, on the winter solstice, the Earth, Sun and the galactic equator come into alignment, and every year, precession pushes the Sun's position a little way further through the Milky Way's band.
Jenkins suggests that the Maya based their calendar on observations of the "dark rift", a band of black dust clouds in the Milky Way, which the Maya called the Xibalba be or Black Road.[21] Jenkins claims that the Maya were aware of where the ecliptic intersected the Black Road and gave this position in the sky a special significance in their cosmology.[22] According to the hypothesis, the Sun precisely aligns with this intersection point at the winter solstice of 2012.[22] Jenkins claimed that the classical Mayans anticipated this conjunction and celebrated it as the harbinger of a profound spiritual transition for mankind.[23] New Age proponents of the galactic alignment hypothesis argue that, just as astrology uses the positions of stars and planets to make claims of future events, the Mayans plotted their calendars with the objective of preparing for significant world events.[24]
Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by Diplomat
You can't debunk a potentially approaching event before that date even passes. Ie "spiritual ascension."
Neither you nor Pen & Teller even know what a "spiritual ascension" is. You think of it like a religion. I know it is a science.
Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by harpsounds
You mean the Sun lining up with galactic center? No, that doesn't happen every year, it happens very rarely, but it does happen on the date given in Dec 2012.
So now 2012 got picked up on partly do to the Mayan calender which by the way doesn't stop in 2012 its a revolving calender so it moves on to the next age.
Originally posted by Diplomat
Actually I do know what a "spiritual ascension" is and the supposed science surrounding it because I have done a lot of research on the different 2012 theories, and one of them is that we will spiritually ascend into the next dimension.
Originally posted by bsbray11
You say you understand what spiritual ascension is and then you suggest you think it's that we will ascend into some "other dimension." That leads me to believe that no, you don't understand it, but maybe if you elaborate on what exactly you mean I will see I've made a mistake. I could list off several members of completely different philosophical backgrounds here at ATS and we would all have a consensus, in so many differing words, of what exactly it is, what combinations of things and behaviors illustrate its nature, and what it accomplishes and how. How you put it, doesn't sound anything like what I am talking about.
Originally posted by Diplomat
Nope. It doesn't. I have talked to many educated scientists and astrologers, many of whom have about 0.00001% chance of being involved with any type of conspiracy, and they ALL say that in December of 2012 our solar system will be NOWHERE NEAR the galactic plane. They say we are currently millions and millions of miles ABOVE the galactic plane and there is NO WAY we could end up "passing through" it in 2012.
and the alignment doesn't mean anything because it happens every year