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Obama Hikes 10-year Deficit to $9 Trillion

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posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 06:49 PM

Obama Hikes 10-year Deficit to $9 Trillion

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration will raise its 10-year budget deficit projection to approximately $9 trillion from $7.108 trillion in a report next week, a senior administration official told Reuters on Friday.

The higher deficit figure, based on updated economic data, brings the White House budget office into line with outside estimates and gives further fuel to President Barack Obama's opponents, who say his spending plans are too expensive in light of budget shortfalls.

Many economists think it is unlikely the government can curtail spending, which means taxes would h
(visit the link for the full news article)

Edit to remove all caps from title.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by mrwupy]

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 06:49 PM
In a perverse way, I think this is actually good news. Folks understand what $9T is. They know that with the government, it is likely $10T+.

This deficit projection is the end of socialized medicine, cap & trade and any other massive domestic program the administration is likely to pursue.
(visit the link for the full news article)

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:01 PM

This deficit projection is the end of socialized medicine, cap & trade and any other massive domestic program the administration is likely to pursue.

Why ever would you think that?

This Congress has shown absolutely no awareness that the rest of the country is having major problems (Depression) All I have seen is a single minded determination to push ahead with their pre-election prepared socialist (but actually corporate) agendas no matter what type of problems or protests are flung at their heads. They even have multiple mutations of the same bill prepared in case the sheeple wake up and bleat a little and the Delphi technique doesn't work to quite them down.

Blindly bull headed is a mild description for the $#@%! in Washington DC.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:16 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

I guess I have more faith in the American people than you, although I do share much of you sentiment.

I think that the deficit is going to ruin the chance to pass healthcare and other major domestic programs because this projection will cause the markets to tank Monday (hence releasing it Friday after the markets closed). People simply don't want to support this level of spending. Democrats are going to kill these pieces of legislation. They have already started in the Senate to distance themselves from the administration. That trend will continue and by early next year, 1600 Pennsylvania will be a lame duck pond.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:20 PM
And yet things will still be better in the next eight than they were in the last twenty probably. Juust continue living the life you been living for the most part. It really wont change much except health care will be more affordable and there will be a larger variety of energy options in the near future.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:23 PM
But healthcare reform will be deficit neutral. Yes sir! Never mind that cash for clunkers ran out of money in the first week. Never mind that this administration is a pesky $2 trillion off its 10 year budget estimate. Trust us. Congress and the Obama administration know what's best for you!

I'm apologize for the sarcasm, folks, but its beyond me that anyone trusts this merry band of morons at this point. They're running this country into the ground, all of them.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:31 PM

Originally posted by dolphinfan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration will raise its 10-year budget deficit projection to approximately $9 trillion from $7.108 trillion in a report next week, a senior administration official told Reuters on Friday.

Excellent news!

Only people that look at this bad see deficit == debt. Oh well, they don't understand, and with their negativity and complaints it is impossible to get them to understand. Better to move forward and ahead than be stuck in the mud.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by dzonatas]

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:31 PM

September 28, 2008

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

By James Simpson

America waits with bated breath while Washington struggles to bring the U.S. economy back from the brink of disaster. But many of those same politicians caused the crisis, and if left to their own devices will do so again.

Despite the mass media news blackout, a series of books, talk radio and the blogosphere have managed to expose Barack Obama's connections to his radical mentors -- Weather Underground bombers William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis and others. David Horowitz and his Discover the have also contributed a wealth of information and have noted Obama's radical connections since the beginning.

Yet, no one to my knowledge has yet connected all the dots between Barack Obama and the Radical Left. When seen together, the influences on Obama's life comprise a who's who of the radical leftist movement, and it becomes painfully apparent that not only is Obama a willing participant in that movement, he has spent most of his adult life deeply immersed in it.

But even this doesn't fully describe the extreme nature of this candidate. He can be tied directly to a malevolent overarching strategy that has motivated many, if not all, of the most destructive radical leftist organizations in the United States since the 1960s.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?


One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.

I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.

The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Cloward and Piven were inspired by radical organizer [and Hillary Clinton mentor] Saul Alinsky:

"Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1989 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one. (Courtesy Discover the

Newsmax rounds out the picture:

Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.

In their Nation article, Cloward and Piven were specific about the kind of "crisis" they were trying to create:

By crisis, we mean a publicly visible disruption in some institutional sphere. Crisis can occur spontaneously (e.g., riots) or as the intended result of tactics of demonstration and protest which either generate institutional disruption or bring unrecognized disruption to public attention.

No matter where the strategy is implemented, it shares the following features:

  1. The offensive organizes previously unorganized groups eligible for government benefits but not currently receiving all they can.
  2. The offensive seeks to identify new beneficiaries and/or create new benefits.
  3. The overarching aim is always to impose new stresses on target systems, with the ultimate goal of forcing their collapse.

Capitalizing on the racial unrest of the 1960s, Cloward and Piven saw the welfare system as their first target. They enlisted radical black activist George Wiley, who created the National Welfare Reform Organization (NWRO) to implement the strategy. Wiley hired militant foot soldiers to storm welfare offices around the country, violently demanding their "rights." According to a City Journal article by Sol Stern, welfare rolls increased from 4.3 million to 10.8 million by the mid-1970s as a result, and in New York City, where the strategy had been particularly successful, "one person was on the welfare rolls... for every two working in the city's private economy."

According to another City Journal article titled "Compassion Gone Mad":

The movement's impact on New York City was jolting: welfare caseloads, already climbing 12 percent a year in the early sixties, rose by 50 percent during Lindsay's first two years; spending doubled... The city had 150,000 welfare cases in 1960; a decade later it had 1.5 million.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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The vast expansion of welfare in New York City that came of the NWRO's Cloward-Piven tactics sent the city into bankruptcy in 1975. Rudy Giuliani cited Cloward and Piven by name as being responsible for "an effort at economic sabotage." He also credited Cloward-Piven with changing the cultural attitude toward welfare from that of a temporary expedient to a lifetime entitlement, an attitude which in-and-of-itself has caused perhaps the greatest damage of all.

Cloward and Piven looked at this strategy as a gold mine of opportunity. Within the newly organized groups, each offensive would find an ample pool of foot soldier recruits willing to advance its radical agenda at little or no pay, and expand its base of reliable voters, legal or otherwise. The radicals' threatening tactics also would accrue an intimidating reputation, providing a wealth of opportunities for extorting monetary and other concessions from the target organizations. In the meantime, successful offensives would create an ever increasing drag on society. As they gleefully observed:

Moreover, this kind of mass influence is cumulative because benefits are continuous. Once eligibility for basic food and rent grants is established, the drain on local resources persists indefinitely.

The next time you drive through one of the many blighted neighborhoods in our cities, or read of the astronomical crime, drug addiction, and out-of-wedlock birth rates, or consider the failed schools, strapped police and fire resources of every major city, remember Cloward and Piven's thrill that "...the drain on local resources persists indefinitely."

ACORN, the new tip of the Cloward-Piven spear

In 1970, one of George Wiley's protégés, Wade Rathke -- like Bill Ayers, a member of the radical Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) -- was sent to found the Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now. While NWRO had made a good start, it alone couldn't accomplish the Cloward-Piven goals. Rathke's group broadened the offensive to include a wide array of low income "rights." Shortly thereafter they changed "Arkansas" to "Association of" and ACORN went nationwide.

Today ACORN is involved in a wide array of activities, including housing, voting rights, illegal immigration and other issues. According to ACORN's website: "ACORN is the nation's largest grassroots community organization of low-and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country," It is perhaps the largest radical group in the U.S. and has been cited for widespread criminal activity on many fronts.


On voting rights, ACORN and its voter mobilization subsidiary, Project Vote, have been involved nationwide in efforts to grant felons the vote and lobbied heavily for the Motor Voter Act of 1993, a law allowing people to register at motor vehicle departments, schools, libraries and other public places. That law had been sought by Cloward and Piven since the early1980s and they were present, standing behind President Clinton at the signing ceremony.

ACORN's voter rights tactics follow the Cloward-Piven Strategy:

  1. Register as many Democrat voters as possible, legal or otherwise and help them vote, multiple times if possible.
  2. Overwhelm the system with fraudulent registrations using multiple entries of the same name, names of deceased, random names from the phone book, even contrived names.
  3. Make the system difficult to police by lobbying for minimal identification standards.

In this effort, ACORN sets up registration sites all over the country and has been frequently cited for turning in fraudulent registrations, as well as destroying republican applications. In the 2004-2006 election cycles alone, ACORN was accused of widespread voter fraud in 12 states. It may have swung the election for one state governor.

ACORN's website brags: "Since 2004, ACORN has helped more than 1.7 million low- and moderate-income and minority citizens apply to register to vote." Project vote boasts 4 million. I wonder how many of them are dead? For the 2008 cycle, ACORN and Project Vote have pulled out all the stops. Given their furious nationwide effort, it is not inconceivable that this presidential race could be decided by fraudulent votes alone.

Barack Obama ran ACORN's Project Vote in Chicago and his highly successful voter registration drive was credited with getting the disgraced former Senator Carol Moseley-Braun elected. Newsmax reiterates Cloward and Piven's aspirations for ACORN's voter registration efforts:

By advocating massive, no-holds-barred voter registration campaigns, they [Cloward & Piven] sought a Democratic administration in Washington, D.C. that would re-distribute the nation's wealth and lead to a totalitarian socialist state.

Illegal Immigration

As I have written elsewhere, the Radical Left's offensive to promote illegal immigration is "Cloward-Piven on steroids." ACORN is at the forefront of this movement as well, and was a leading organization among a broad coalition of radical groups, including Soros' Open Society Institute, the Service Employees International Union (ACORN founder Wade Rathke also runs a SEIU chapter), and others, that became the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. CCIR fortunately failed to gain passage for the 2007 illegal immigrant amnesty bill, but its goals have not changed.

The burden of illegal immigration on our already overstressed welfare system has been widely documented. Some towns in California have even been taken over by illegal immigrant drug cartels. The disease, crime and overcrowding brought by illegal immigrants places a heavy burden on every segment of society and every level of government, threatening to split this country apart at the seams. In the meantime, radical leftist efforts to grant illegal immigrants citizenship guarantee a huge pool of new democrat voters. With little border control, terrorists can also filter in.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Obama aided ACORN as their lead attorney in a successful suit he brought against the Illinois state government to implement the Motor Voter law there. The law had been resisted by Republican Governor Jim Edgars, who feared the law was an opening to widespread vote fraud.

His fears were warranted as the Motor Voter law has since been cited as a major opportunity for vote fraud, especially for illegal immigrants, even terrorists. According to the Wall Street Journal: "After 9/11, the Justice Department found that eight of the 19 hijackers were registered to vote..."

ACORN's dual offensives on voting and illegal immigration are handy complements. Both swell the voter rolls with reliable democrats while assaulting the country ACORN seeks to destroy with overwhelming new problems.

Mortgage Crisis

And now we have the mortgage crisis, which has sent a shock wave through Wall Street and panicked world financial markets like no other since the stock market crash of 1929. But this is a problem created in Washington long ago. It originated with the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), signed into law in 1977 by President Jimmy Carter. The CRA was Carter's answer to a grassroots activist movement started in Chicago, and forced banks to make loans to low income, high risk customers. PhD economist and former Texas Senator Phil Gramm has called it: "a vast extortion scheme against the nation's banks."

ACORN aggressively sought to expand loans to low income groups using the CRA as a whip. Economist Stan Leibowitz wrote in the New York Post:

In the 1980s, groups such as the activists at ACORN began pushing charges of "redlining"-claims that banks discriminated against minorities in mortgage lending. In 1989, sympathetic members of Congress got the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act amended to force banks to collect racial data on mortgage applicants; this allowed various studies to be ginned up that seemed to validate the original accusation.

In fact, minority mortgage applications were rejected more frequently than other applications-but the overwhelming reason wasn't racial discrimination, but simply that minorities tend to have weaker finances.

ACORN showed its colors again in 1991, by taking over the House Banking Committee room for two days to protest efforts to scale back the CRA. Obama represented ACORN in the Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 1994 suit against redlining. Most significant of all, ACORN was the driving force behind a 1995 regulatory revision pushed through by the Clinton Administration that greatly expanded the CRA and laid the groundwork for the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac borne financial crisis we now confront. Barack Obama was the attorney representing ACORN in this effort. With this new authority, ACORN used its subsidiary, ACORN Housing, to promote subprime loans more aggressively.

As a New York Post article describes it:

A 1995 strengthening of the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to find ways to provide mortgages to their poorer communities. It also let community activists intervene at yearly bank reviews, shaking the banks down for large pots of money.

Banks that got poor reviews were punished; some saw their merger plans frustrated; others faced direct legal challenges by the Justice Department.

Flexible lending programs expanded even though they had higher default rates than loans with traditional standards. On the Web, you can still find CRA loans available via ACORN with "100 percent financing . . . no credit scores . . . undocumented income . . . even if you don't report it on your tax returns." Credit counseling is required, of course.

Ironically, an enthusiastic Fannie Mae Foundation report singled out one paragon of nondiscriminatory lending, which worked with community activists and followed "the most flexible underwriting criteria permitted." That lender's $1 billion commitment to low-income loans in 1992 had grown to $80 billion by 1999 and $600 billion by early 2003.

The lender they were speaking of was Countrywide, which specialized in subprime lending and had a working relationship with ACORN.

Investor's Business Daily added:

The revisions also allowed for the first time the securitization of CRA-regulated loans containing subprime mortgages. The changes came as radical "housing rights" groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans. ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama. (Emphasis, mine.)

Since these loans were to be underwritten by the government sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the implicit government guarantee of those loans absolved lenders, mortgage bundlers and investors of any concern over the obvious risk. As Bloomberg reported: "It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit."

And if you think Washington policy makers cared about ACORN's negative influence, think again. Before this whole mess came down, a Democrat-sponsored bill on the table would have created an "Affordable Housing Trust Fund," granting ACORN access to approximately $500 million in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac revenues with little or no oversight.

Even now, unbelievably -- on the brink of national disaster -- Democrats have insisted ACORN benefit from bailout negotiations! Senator Lindsay Graham reported last night (9/25/08) in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of On the Record that Democrats want 20 percent of the bailout money to go to ACORN!

This entire fiasco represents perhaps the pinnacle of ACORN's efforts to advance the Cloward-Piven Strategy and is a stark demonstration of the power they wield in Washington.

Enter Barack Obama

In attempting to capture the significance of Barack Obama's Radical Left connections and his relation to the Cloward Piven strategy, I constructed following flow chart. It is by no means complete. There are simply too many radical individuals and organizations to include them all here. But these are perhaps the most significant.

Read the rest

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:59 PM
I understand it all Vince, and is exactly why I voted for Obama. Don't mess with my President. Your life will play out easier if you just do what you are doing now, sit idly by and adapt to the changes.

But if you want to go the way of the ancients and try to be silly and fight back with violence or something, well then the tsunami of progress is just going to steamroll over yall with a merciless force.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 08:10 PM
reply to post by DYepes

LOL. Ok comrade.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 08:25 PM
reply to post by VinceP1974

Wow Vince, that's a lot of information but it ties everything together. Have you seen the thread about the Apollo Alliance?

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Kords21
reply to post by VinceP1974

Wow Vince, that's a lot of information but it ties everything together. Have you seen the thread about the Apollo Alliance?

Yes I did.

The time is rapidly coming in this country for a purge.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 08:32 PM
I'm just continually amazed by how many people screaming for gov't run healthcare are trusting the vast majority of people that brought us the housing crisis to give it to them. Now this administartion is hiking up it's deficit to $9 trillion? This is just insane. I really don't know what to think anymore.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 08:49 PM
reply to post by DYepes

Do you know what happens when a soft body hits an immovable object at a high rate of speed?


I thought he was going to halve the deficit by the end of his first term? That one is going to come back to haunt him. But first we have to survive his first term, I think we can do it though.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 09:11 PM
The liar in chief

posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 11:48 PM

Originally posted by DYepes
And yet things will still be better in the next eight than they were in the last twenty probably. Juust continue living the life you been living for the most part. It really wont change much except health care will be more affordable and there will be a larger variety of energy options in the near future.

Ah yes, they will be known as the golden years before our country went broke and crumbled on itself.

It's like giving a teenager a black card and giving them a week shopping spree with a part time job to pay the tab. Hey, we could all afford mansions and sports cars....for about a month. Then our credit goes bad, we screw ourselves over, and cant get a loan to buy a loaf of bread.

If you let the government get at the American peoples black card, they will run us into the dirt.

It's not governments job to provide, it's the governments job to maintain the ability to provide for ourselves.

posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 12:18 AM
Remember the balanced Clinton budget?
Of course 9/11 came on the bush2 watch and he gave the dough (20 billion to New York State?) Then a Trillion to beat-up Iraq and assassinate Saddam and his Sons. Meanwhile Canadian Soldiers were left in the breeze fighting and dieing in Afghanistan in the NATO assault for the attack on America. What a F....

posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Decoy
Remember the balanced Clinton budget?
Of course 9/11 came on the bush2 watch and he gave the dough (20 billion to New York State?) Then a Trillion to beat-up Iraq and assassinate Saddam and his Sons. Meanwhile Canadian Soldiers were left in the breeze fighting and dieing in Afghanistan in the NATO assault for the attack on America. What a F....

1 - There was never a balanced budget. The spending still required borrowed money, they still had to raid Social Security money to pay for the regular spending

2 - The Republican Congress had a lot to do with the fiscal discipline (which of course went out the window after 2001, but it was still better than anything the Democrats would have done)

3 - Before the Dot Com boom, no one expected the budget to get close to being balanced. It was only because of the fraud stock market frenzy that was the fraud Dot Com Economy and the unexpected tax revenue from that that the budget got close to being balanced

When the TRILLIONS of dollars of stock equity disappeared in 2000 , the Federal Reserve collapsed the interest rate, that combined with the changes made to the GSEs, and the new mortgage products and the new investment vehicles propelled the Housing Boom which started in 1998 into a Bubble.

The recession that should have been worse in 2000-2001 was postponed. It's part of what we're going through now.

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