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We need a huge popular outcry from Europe to show the truth -- demonstrating how much we value our public healthcare system even despite its drawbacks. Sign on to the message to America and forward this email -- if enough of us sign, we'll cause a stir in US media and help change the debate:
A quick guide to the truth
Protesters are railing against a fantasy proposal that bears no resemblance to the actual legislation moving through Congress. Below is a quick guide to some of the most egregious whoppers that are making the rounds.
Myth: The bill outlaws private insurance—it says so right on page 16.
Truth: What the bill really says is that after a date, certain private plans that engage in egregious practices – such as imposing pre-existing condition exclusions or charging people more based on gender or health status – cannot continue to be sold to new enrollees. Private plans that meet the new rules not only can be sold, but will continue to be the main way people get coverage (see 'government takeover' myth below).
Myth: The bill promotes euthanasia.
Truth: The provision pays primary care doctors to take time to discuss patient wishes around end-of-life treatment. It does not require anyone to obtain such counseling, let alone require beneficiaries to make any particular decision about end-of-life treatment.
Myth: The plan amounts to a government takeover of health care.
Truth: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates for about 10 million enrollees in the public plan as designed by the House – that’s compared to over 160 million in private coverage. If the changes to the public plan adopted by the Energy and Commerce committee prevail, that number could be lower still.
Myth: Comparative Effectiveness Research equals rationing.
Truth: Provisions in the health reform proposals to promote research that will compare how well different treatments work will improve quality of care by giving doctors and patients the best available information on which to base their decisions.
Myth: The legislation will provide subsidized coverage for illegal immigrants.
Truth: Regardless of how you feel about it (and we see it as a weakness of the current proposals), coverage for illegal immigrants is explicitly excluded in all of the reform bills.
Originally posted by Oscitate
reply to post by ohioriver
These are not my myths, actually I fully agree with both of you. I was actually pointing that out to give the Avaaz email some context.
Originally posted by ohioriver
Originally posted by Oscitate
reply to post by ohioriver
These are not my myths, actually I fully agree with both of you. I was actually pointing that out to give the Avaaz email some context.
Yes there are death panels only they are not called death panels. There will be Obamanites who sit around a far away desk and decide what is covered, what codes are assigned to each diagnosis(benign)
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by mental modulator
I am open to hear what you think. Really. How would you describe a panel that has the power to decide which procedures are paid under which plan?
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by mental modulator
not question the intent behind anything
Originally posted by mental modulator
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by mental modulator
I am open to hear what you think. Really. How would you describe a panel that has the power to decide which procedures are paid under which plan?
Sir a great deal of claims are denied in exactly this same way TODAY, under private insurance. EVERYDAY people are dropped from coverage due to screwing up on a PAST application. Or the insurance company will just TELL you you are not eligible for said procedure or medication.
Provided you are informed enough to know better, you will put you in the peer review process which could take months in some cases . Very nice when you have little time to fight the condition you are afflicted with...
FOR example: if you screwed up on a past application/ doctor questioner on a policy you do not have any longer you are subject to have your current INSURANCE DROPPED by you provider TODAY.
So you may have paid your premiums faithfully for ten years on this policy,
but be conveniently dropped at the discretion of the provider.
Maybe you forgot to mention you had chicken pox? or maybe you failed to circle yes for the question:
DO YOU SUFFER FROM FREQUENT HEADACHES?
"Death Panels" is a FALLACY to muddy debate - take your focus off of the issue that might impact you.
In fact it refers to advanced directive and its application...
Do you want to be a vegetable on a feeding tube if you are in an accident?
Things like that...
Do you really think a society that takes 5-15 years to kill a MURDERER on DEATH ROW
would purposefully let an innocent die for COST??? ASK YOURSELF THAT?
A death row inmate costs, between $70,000 and $100,000 a year to hold -
Argue the idea on cost or whatever merit, but don't base your opposition on a lie, surely you can find a better argument.
On the other hand-
IS there anything that you would like improved about your healthcare???
Have you even had the mind to think about it?
I just don't get it frankly, now you have opportunity to shape the debate
in a meaningful way and you are focused on a fake notion intended to keep
you thinking about the fake notion, not yourself or family.
You're selling your self short
Originally posted by cloakndagger
America might be supporting foreign health care programs for all we know. The federal reserve's Bernake admitted to loaning money to a foreign country (New Zealand). This might explain their push for universal health care in America. After all it's basically taking a ponzi scheme away from the private sector and giving it to the public sector. Considering we might be running out of money this would make sense in order for government to bring in more money thus supporting a foreign governments health care system. You never know these days where the money is going because it's all secret with the federal reserve.
Originally posted by ohioriver
Originally posted by mental modulator
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by mental modulator
I am open to hear what you think. Really. How would you describe a panel that has the power to decide which procedures are paid under which plan?
So basically you are saying we should just place old system in new system with the only benefit being pre- existing conditions won't exist. As for the adjustment centers, I am not basing that on end of life care, which will be pushed hard by drs to get extra money. I am basing it on the same thing current insurance providers do. And that is to decide which kind of treatment you can receive and how much they will reimburse doctors for said treatment. If it will cost the doctors more money to provide treatment than insurance will cover they just will not even offer it, not even to save someone who is only 65. The difference being that most of us would take the insurance company to court to get payment. Do you honestly believe if someone needs a surgery that will dramatically improve their quality of life and it is not on a government approved list of procedures that they would be able to take on the government? The gov would hold it up for years and said person would be dead before the gov could or would decide anything. Again I ask what is your take on the health co-op/exchanges?
Originally posted by ohioriver
reply to post by mental modulator
Your argument is false.
Do you really think a society that takes 5-15 years to kill a MURDERER on DEATH ROW
would purposefully let an innocent die for COST??? ASK YOURSELF THAT?
A death row inmate costs, between $70,000 and $100,000 a year to hold -
Argue the idea on cost or whatever merit, but don't base your opposition on a lie, surely you can find a better argument.
Corporations such as Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the Geo Group (formerly Wakenhut), Avalon Correctional Services, Cornell Companies and Industry Property Management. CCA has a $2 billion market cap, followed by the Geo Group with a $922 million market cap. The money is made by contracting out the inmates' labor to Fortune 500 companies and, in some cases, they compete for public works contracts. CCA and the others are making money, and their stock trades on the stock exchange. Telecommunications industries pay prisons to put pay phones in prisons. Pay phones in prisons make $15,000 a day. Transportation companies and all sorts of cottage industries develop around the prison industry. UNICOR, or Federal Prison Industries, created by Congress, was one of the first prison industries established to exploit inmate labor. States also pay a per diem per inmate to private prison corporations.
www.bvonmoney.com...
Ever wonder why we have the largest prison population of any country?It's the money. The government does not have anyone's best interest in mind. It's all about the money.