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Idaho GOP leader pulls .357 Magnum on delinquent homeowner

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posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 10:46 AM

The Republican Party chairman of Boise County in Idaho was arrested Thursday for aggravated assault after he pulled a gun on a man whose house he was photographing.

Charles McAffee, 33, was among Idaho's anti-tax tea-party activists, and is a member of the Idaho Republican Party Central Committee. He was arrested after pulling a handgun on a homeowner whose mortgage his employer sought to photograph for being delinquent. His employer is a contractor for Wells Fargo.

Wells Fargo called McAffee's behavior "horrific and absolutely inexcusable." Via AP:

According to police in the Boise suburb of Meridian, resident Robert Lutes called officers just before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday to report McAffee had pointed a .357 Magnum handgun at him during a verbal confrontation. McAffee acknowledged he pointed the gun at Lutes, according to the police account.

"I'm unarmed, I'm an old man," Lutes, 51, told The Associated Press on Thursday. "I'm trying to find out why he's taking pictures of my house. I said, 'Knock on my door, let me know what you want.' Then, I think he's reaching for his business card and he pulls out a concealed weapon and I think he's going to blow my head off."

Idaho's Republican Party told the Associated Press the arrest of one of its leaders was a "personal matter."

"It's not a party matter," Jonathan Parker, state GOP director in Boise, told AP.

One of McAffee's supporters said the homeowner's account was false:

"McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict," he asserted.

Yes, you read that right: he pulled a gun to de-escalate the conflict.

I'm speechless.
He pulled a gun on the guy to "de-escalate" the situation.


posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 11:07 AM
Nothing to de-escalate.
All he had to do was have some common courtesy and manners.
A knock on the door to explain yourself would have been a better option then pulling a gun.

Pure ignorance.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 11:19 AM
reply to post by warrenb

What does political party or tea party affiliation have to do with a Wells Fargo rep pulling a gun on a house that was getting foreclosed on?

The guy sounds like an idiot, but this has nothing to do with GOP, Tea party, or any other political subject, so why was it included in the article and the quote?

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 11:21 AM
and the first rule of handgun safety is......never point a gun at something you do not intend to kill.

Dude needs to not have a CCP. he is a loose cannon.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 12:01 PM

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by warrenb

What does political party or tea party affiliation have to do with a Wells Fargo rep pulling a gun on a house that was getting foreclosed on?

The guy sounds like an idiot, but this has nothing to do with GOP, Tea party, or any other political subject, so why was it included in the article and the quote?

It sounds to me like the MSM is using this to further harm the image of tea partiers and gun owners. They have to use everything they have to paint their enemy as gun-toting loons.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:32 PM
reply to post by warrenb

I've been hanging around this site for about a year and first time I really needed to post. I know Challis (the guy who pulled the gun) and he is not a nut job. He's intelligent, dedicated to getting the republic back, and works tirelessly to get the word out in order to do that.

There is always two sides. Here is the version from friends of Challis:

Here's what happened:

Challis works for a company that inspects residential properties that are in
foreclosure to the banks. Most of these properties are vacant or abandoned, but occasionally the resident is still living there. In the normal course of his duties, Challis will photograph a house and write a report as to its condition. Yesterday, an angry resident emerged from his house and began verbally accosting Challis, demanding to know what he was doing. Challis calmly explained to the man that he was working for the bank and was there because the man was not paying his mortgage. The man was not satisfied with this answer and continued to angrily pursue Challis back to his car.

When the conversation had reached an impasse, Challis rolled up his car
window. At this point the man slapped the car window. In an attempt to
de-escalate the situation, Challis reached for the handgun that was sitting
on his front seat. He showed the gun to the man, but did not point it at
him, thinking that this would cause the individual to back off.
Unfortunately, it had the opposite effect, and only further enraged the man, who began taunting Challis to shoot him. Challis replied that he didn't want to shoot anyone, and was just trying to do his job. The man then took down his license plate and called the police after Challis had left.

The Meridian police contacted Challis on his cell phone, and he immediately
went to meet with them. He told them his side of the story, at which point
he was arrested for aggravated assault -- a felony which can carry up to 5

How could this happen? Well, it happened because the resident LIED to the
police, claiming that Challis pointed the gun at his head and threatened
him, and that he held it close enough and long enough that he could identify the color of the bullets inside of the gun.

A classic "he said/she said" story with no other witnesses, and yet, the
police believed the resident over Challis. Based on the false allegations,
the judge set Challis' bond at $50,000, an extremely high amount for a crime where no actual violence was committed. Not to mention the fact that Challis has no prior criminal record.

Just as a side note.. the "victim" is already talking about a civil suit so take that for what it's worth.

Ok - bash away!

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:49 PM
reply to post by idahomom

I won't bash, and I am a gun advocate, I carry daily, and I am involved with the Tea Parties.

With all that said, your friend was still in the wrong! I would never allow anyone to see my gun unless I planned to kill them, or thought I was going to die! I have been in fistfights with a gun on my person and never considered reaching for it (except to make sure it was secure and didn't fall out)!

Your friend "brandished" his weapon without any fear of his own life or limb, and therefore he will probably get found guilty, but hopefully it will be downgraded to a misdeamenor.

I still don't see how any of this is fodder for nationwide news, or how any political affiliation is relavent.........Wait......I got it......What if all cryps are Republicans and all bloods are Democrats?

Maybe the political affiliation of every criminal could be tracked and trended and then we could arrest people as soon as they register to vote!!

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:55 PM
reply to post by getreadyalready

The Republican Party chairman of Boise County in Idaho was arrested Thursday

Maybe this has something to do with it...?

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:55 PM
reply to post by idahomom

Awww, come on... the truth doesn't matter. What we have here is an opportunity for the MSM to further their agenda by smearing a whole lot of innocent people, read as Tea Party Supporters, GOP supporters, Gun rights advocates etc... and move the masses closer to a completely totalitarian government. Maybe he should have shot the guy in the head and then claimed that he was violently attacked by the home-owner. Do you think the MSM would have spun the story in the direction of the many merits have having a handgun for personal protection? Or do you think that they would have, once again, spun it the other way?
Face it, ain't a shred a truth in ANYTHING reported by the MSM.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:59 PM
Not aimed @ the OP, but this story is just weak bringing political affiliation into it.

It's so obvious
"OMG....another right wing terrorist gunowner!!!!!"


[edit on 21-8-2009 by Dr Love]

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:04 PM
reply to post by warrenb

S&F to the OP. I was in the real estate business for a long time. Buying, fixing up, and selling.

I stopped because it all felt dirty. I'd rather be making porno flicks than treading on the back of broken American dreams.

The d*mn banks were so cheap that usually they don't have the paper work to actually back up foreclosure. Yet, they do it any ways. I advocate to everyone Wake Up, Stand Up...........We are entering dark days into an even colder winter.

I will die with my boots on, and my gun in my cold dead hand because I will not stand by, or watch as the USA goes banana.

Welcome sheeple to the Banana Republic of the USA.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:13 PM
reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

Sancho, just the presence of your avatar in any post is enough to make anyone smile.

Yes the US is now a Banana Republic, or is it a Banana Democracy?
Hard to tell, but regardless, we are in a pickle.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:31 PM
I know two independent real estate appraisers (one is my uncle). Granted, they both operate in the Metro Detroit area and have surveyed some pretty rough areas and dealt with some very...uncooperative tenants, but I'd imagine that with tensions running high nationwide confrontations could occur in even the most sedate suburbs.

Both of the appraisers I know carry a gun at times, just in case (in case someone mistakes them for the evictors, I guess!). So I would tend to believe Challis over the homeowner; an angry homeowner, not thinking rationally due to fears of foreclosure, would potentially present quite a threat to someone just there to take pictures.

I am not exactly sure how showing a firearm (especially if it was not pointed at the homeowner, though that's a matter of debate) is "escalation" when physical harm is threatened and the threatened individual attempts to leave the property. Those who legally carry weapons tend to be pretty careful with them, only acting when absolutely necessary because they are well aware of the consequences of brandishing or shooting without cause. That fact should not be discounted.

Without knowing exactly what happened, it's impossible to form an informed opinion on the matter, and our speculation will lead nowhere. What we can all agree on, though, is that the mention of Challis' party affiliation and involvement with the Tea Party movement was an incredibly low blow. How that could be anything but politically motivated is beyond me.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:34 PM
Wow, such outrage with you all. Yup, there goes the MSM just smearing the tea-partiers. Just saw the story on CNN... oh, wait, I didn't. In fact, it is mostly only on blogs. Not even on google news.

And you think that his being a chair of the RNC in Boise is irrelevant? He is in a position to direct RNC priorities in that community (albeit small) and I think that a certain amount of responsibility should come with that.

Face it, you are getting bent out of shape over nothing and you cannot admit that a lot of the tea partiers are a bit nuts enough to start pulling guns on others.

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:46 PM
reply to post by nydsdan

Well, its on the AP and many blogs, so it will be propagandized soon enough! The MSM is usually a day or two behind ATS.

You are correct to a certain extent, I am offended that I may get lumped into the same class as this guy. I am a Tea Partier, and a Gun Carrier, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to point it at somebody and then leave them breathing to call the police?!

A Chairman of anything in a small community is usually a matter of drawing the short straw! I have been lucky enough to get out of all the attempts to put me in charge of such things!

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:49 PM
reply to post by Ragnar Danneskjold

1. Anybody that does business which involves stepping on people's property in Detroit ought to carry a firearm.

2. Presenting a firearm is in no way 'de-escalating' unless one is already present. 'Neutralize', maybe. NOT de-escalating.

3. It is not legal to draw a weapon on an unarmed homeowner on their property. How can that be legal or even 'right' without a response to assault?

I still maintain that when you take on a title such as "The Republican Party chairman of Boise County" and you participate as an advocate for things such as 2nd amendment rights, then you take on certain responsibility. As a fellow Ron Paul supporter, I am actually mad at this guy for tarnishing the movement. Waiving a pistol is not responsible behavior and gives responsible Libertarians a bad name.

According to this guy, he became so threatened for his life after the 51 yr old slapped the window of his car that he had to pull the gun.

Why not just drive away? If he is there to legally take pictures, drive around the block, call the cops and have them escort him onto the property?

posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:58 PM
reply to post by nydsdan

So we agree it has nothing to do with the guy being a Republican?


posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:23 AM
Not trying to defend the guy, but first of all nysdan, Boise is not in Boise County. Boise County is the home of the majority if Idaho's meth users and really is full of crazies. I've lived in Boise for the last 16 years, been up to the mountains in Boise County several times. Your average Boise County resident would have the majority of people here locking their doors as they drove by.

However, the guy could have drove away. This is Idaho, an open carry state, and showing someone your gun is a great way to get shot. He's lucky that he only got the cops called on him. Is the punishment a little severe? Yeah, because usually you'd only get 6 months max for showing someone your gun. When this goes to trial, I'm sure he'll just get community service or at worst, 90 days in the clink.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:37 AM

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by warrenb

What does political party or tea party affiliation have to do with a Wells Fargo rep pulling a gun on a house that was getting foreclosed on?

The guy sounds like an idiot, but this has nothing to do with GOP, Tea party, or any other political subject, so why was it included in the article and the quote?

The OP is trying to tie this guy's illegal activity that had nothing to do with politics to politics. It's a blatant and desperate measure you're gonna see a lot more of while the Democratic Party self destructs in the coming months.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 12:14 PM
I wasn't there, so I can't say what went down.

But from reading the comments, the article and Challis' friend here on ATS telling Challis' side of the story...

While I don't think Challis should be hammered with aggrivated assault, he should have his CC license, if he has one, suspended.

If he was in his car with the window up, and the homeowner slapped the window, Challis should have simply driven off. Instead, he decided to show his trump card, but not actually play it.

This is why they say, "if you're going to pull it out, you'd better use it."

He pulled out a weapon with no intent backing him up, and now look. He's in trouble for it.

The bottom line is if you have no intent to use a weapon, you might as well not use it to try and send a message.

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