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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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I'm sure justice would be served. Real justice.






posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by john124

It's not about what he deserves unless you are revengeful, it's about the high morals & standards that we uphold ourselves to treat others how we want to be treated.
[edit on 22-8-2009 by john124]



Well if I ever blow up a plane and kill a bunch of people, I want to be treated like a criminal and be killed.


What a pointless thing to say!


Add to what I said with the possibility of this man being innocent, and you'd be an idiot to want to let a potentially innocent man die in prison. It would be a worse mistake by far and cause much more anger back in Libya, than letting a guilty man free.

The FBI director's comments are a joke, and that man cannot be serious that terrorists will be incentified by this. By him dying in prison is an incentive, as well as the CIA tortures etc etc etc.

The American govt. is like a child throwing a tantrum.... and quite frankly it's quite pathetic!



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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I've only just read the letter from the FBI Director ; its language is intemperate and wholly unsuited for diplomatic purposes. I'd by surprised if its text had been approved by State Department careerists.

Sounds like it's been cooked up by Hillary Clinton and British Labour apparatchiks as a tool by which to smackdown the Scottish Government. That being the case US officials are now not only interfering in the Scottish judicial system, they're also playing in our domestic politics too.

And that is unacceptable to any nation.

Like I said in another thread ... USA butt out ... it really is that simple.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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I think it's already clear that I find your values repugnant. At one time, I'm told, I was a hand-wringer also, then I watched school buses blow up in Judea and Samaria. Your philosophy is now just the faint sound of barking dogs. Terrorists and those who support terrorists belong in that muddy field, and quite frankly, any other form of justice is for those not interested in real justice.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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This man was not released for compasionate reasons, imo.
Meddlesome Lord Mandleson met Gadaffi's son in Corfu last week, this is politics and most probably some trade deal has been brokered.

Many Brits are angry about the decision to free him, lets not forget unless proved otherwise the man killed over 200 people.

Interesting article in the Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk... l


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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ulala
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I've only just read the letter from the FBI Director ; its language is intemperate and wholly unsuited for diplomatic purposes. I'd by surprised if its text had been approved by State Department careerists.

Sounds like it's been cooked up by Hillary Clinton and British Labour apparatchiks as a tool by which to smackdown the Scottish Government. That being the case US officials are now not only interfering in the Scottish judicial system, they're also playing in our domestic politics too.

And that is unacceptable to any nation.

Like I said in another thread ... USA butt out ... it really is that simple.


Of course. The US is trying to arrange another Culloden. There is a stereotype among some intelligence circles in the US that Scots are the last believers in Trotskyism. I was hoping some of the posters could refute that.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastElitist
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I think it's already clear that I find your values repugnant. At one time, I'm told, I was a hand-wringer also, then I watched school buses blow up in Judea and Samaria. Your philosophy is now just the faint sound of barking dogs. Terrorists and those who support terrorists belong in that muddy field, and quite frankly, any other form of justice is for those not interested in real justice.



That does not represent my views at all.

Choosing to remain civilised separates me from the terrorists. If it's a war situation such as the taliban in Afghanistan, then unless they surrender and lay down arms then they have to be eliminated.

Somebody as a prisoner should be treated within international law and this man was treated within both international law and scottish laws. To do so makes us better as a nation and better as enlightened individuals.

I choose not to support the terrorists, I choose to support my own values.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by EastCoastElitist

Originally posted by Ulala
reply to post by john124
 


I've only just read the letter from the FBI Director ; its language is intemperate and wholly unsuited for diplomatic purposes. I'd by surprised if its text had been approved by State Department careerists.

Sounds like it's been cooked up by Hillary Clinton and British Labour apparatchiks as a tool by which to smackdown the Scottish Government. That being the case US officials are now not only interfering in the Scottish judicial system, they're also playing in our domestic politics too.

And that is unacceptable to any nation.

Like I said in another thread ... USA butt out ... it really is that simple.


Of course. The US is trying to arrange another Culloden. There is a stereotype among some intelligence circles in the US that Scots are the last believers in Trotskyism. I was hoping some of the posters could refute that.


Why does something which seems unpalatable to the USA have to be Socialist or Trotskyism?
I don't for one moment think this man was let out soley for compassionate reasons even though the Scottish Judiciary have done so on numerous occassions. If he has been then I would say all well and good, we have humanity in the UK system and long may it reign.
We should never stoop as low as a terrorist.
The UK does not have as harsh a judiciary as the USA and I suppose it is difficult for us to understand each other.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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news.bbc.co.uk...

EVERYONE WATCH THIS!

He sums up the absurdities of this case very well.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so you have to understand their jubilance. Have some empathy.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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I find it humerous, that the Director of the FBI trys and criticises the scottish government, when his own country, has the death penalty, guantanamo bay detention centre.

Double standards to say the least. Scotland will not be dictated to by the US of A.

The Guy was stitched up from the beginning off his trial. Makes you wonder why his appeal was dropped eh .


[edit on 23-8-2009 by Laurauk]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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Well, in this particular case, they think he is innocent. They are not cheering a terrorist or a freedom fighter. Their perspective is that an unjustly emprisoned man was finally freed from a foreign jail and has returned home.


[edit on 23-8-2009 by Manouche]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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I don't know much about this story. Why is it this man is getting a hero's welcome?

Doesn't say much about Libya to me.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I don't know much about this story. Why is it this man is getting a hero's welcome?

Doesn't say much about Libya to me.


Well read some more about this story beginning with this thread, and you should realise that they don't see him as a terrorist hero, more as a figure of freedom.

We can't expect them to be disappointed at his release just because it's more convenient for us. Is he supposed to not be jubilant just to satisfy the west?!

Are they chanting "well done for killing all those people??" No, so what is the problem?? Some think he's actually innocent.

Western media are replaying the scenes over and over again as if to drill into your head more than what actually happened.

[edit on 23-8-2009 by john124]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by deltaboy
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so you have to understand their jubilance. Have some empathy.


One terrorist, one bullet. No suffering. That's compassion. From our side of the pond, it looks like your nation has "compassioned" itself into becoming Britistan. What's the difference between London and Islamabad? Weather.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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The it could be asked what is the difference between the US Forces and the Taliban? While one says its supposignly fighting terror, the other states it is fighting for thier own freedoms.

Mind you, I do not expect much compassion from someone who lives in a country, which executes its own citizens.


[edit on 23-8-2009 by Laurauk]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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I certainly don't want to indicate that all Scots are morally defective, but many of the ones heard from on this board seem to seriously equate terrorists with freedom fighters. If you really can't tell the difference, then any reasonable attempt at communication is lost. You continue to squeal and we will continue to take out the trash on your behalf.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastElitist
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I certainly don't want to indicate that all Scots are morally defective, but many of the ones heard from on this board seem to seriously equate terrorists with freedom fighters. If you really can't tell the difference, then any reasonable attempt at communication is lost. You continue to squeal and we will continue to take out the trash on your behalf.



You're mistaken, the general point is that we are in no position to tell Libyan's what they are thinking or believe about this man. If to them he is a symbol of freedom or they think he's innocent, then any harm this has caused is blown out of proportion. By the FBI director telling terrorists that this will benefit them has in fact benefited potential terrorists more than the release of this man.

You can continue to add decent people to the trash pile, be that from Scotbland, England or Libya etc, but when the trash pile is too high for you to maintain control of then it will collapse onto you.

There are better ways to clear the real trash, and brute force alone doesn't always win - you have to be much cleverer to defeat Islamic extremism!

The man went home to die, get over it.

If you mad so far, then you will be when they dedicate an upcoming concert for him. Just hope he dies very soon for the sake of this debacle to end!

[edit on 23-8-2009 by john124]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastElitist

Originally posted by deltaboy
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so you have to understand their jubilance. Have some empathy.


One terrorist, one bullet. No suffering. That's compassion. From our side of the pond, it looks like your nation has "compassioned" itself into becoming Britistan. What's the difference between London and Islamabad? Weather.


Bradford & Islamabad maybe.
Maybe even London.... I think anti-Islamification are worthy topics of discussion. Although we don't want to alienate those who may join the enemy. We should defeat our enemies first, then force politicians to discuss these issues.

The US has its own doctrines and laws. If they cannot respect Scottish Law, then you can only expect people to lose respect in your eye-for-an-eye laws including the death penalty. One bullet is compassion only in the eyes of mad-men. It's not guaranteed painless and you know it!

Oh wait you're going to say who cares if it isn't painless.... but you just said it was painless to justify the action. So which is it?? Can you admit execution is hypocritical and that it's little better than terrorist doctrines? Or would you continue to twist the truth to suit your own desires when it suits you?

[edit on 23-8-2009 by john124]



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Sorry, can't get the link to work

[edit on 23-8-2009 by big gee]



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