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posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 06:22 AM
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I found these via a friend of mine, and thought i would share with the rest of you.
Get this, the guy I got these from used to be a Jehovah's whitness in the same congregation as I was,(neither of us are anymore). Funny how that religion screws you up as a child...















This one below is my favourite!




















posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by jinx880101


amazing how these "goat herders" got it right.... gee i wonder how :shk:


What Does Genesis Say?

AS WITH other things that are misrepresented or misunderstood, the first chapter of the Bible deserves at least a fair hearing. The need is to investigate and determine whether it harmonizes with known facts, not to mold it to fit some theoretical framework. Also to be remembered, the Genesis account was not written to show the “how” of creation. Rather, it covers major events in a progressive way, describing what things were formed, the order in which they were formed and the time interval, or “day,” in which each first appeared.

When examining the Genesis account, it is helpful to keep in mind that it approaches matters from the standpoint of people on earth. So it describes events as they would have been seen by human observers had they been present. This can be noted from its treatment of events on the fourth Genesis “day.” There the sun and moon are described as great luminaries in comparison to the stars. Yet many stars are far greater than our sun, and the moon is insignificant in comparison to them. But not to an earthly observer. So, as seen from the earth, the sun appears to be a ‘greater light that rules the day’ and the moon a ‘lesser light that dominates the night.’—Genesis 1:14-18.

The first part of Genesis indicates that the earth could have existed for billions of years before the first Genesis “day,” though it does not say for how long. However, it does describe what earth’s condition was just before that first “day” began: “Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.”—Genesis 1:2.



First “Day”

“‘Let light come to be.’ Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”—Genesis 1:3, 5.

Of course the sun and moon were in outer space long before this first “day,” but their light did not reach the surface of the earth for an earthly observer to see. Now, light evidently came to be visible on earth on this first “day,” and the rotating earth began to have alternating days and nights.

Apparently, the light came in a gradual process, extending over a long period of time, not instantaneously as when you turn on an electric light bulb. The Genesis rendering by translator J. W. Watts reflects this when it says: “And gradually light came into existence.” (A Distinctive Translation of Genesis) This light was from the sun, but the sun itself could not be seen through the overcast. Hence, the light that reached earth was “light diffused,” as indicated by a comment about verse 3 in Rotherham’s Emphasised Bible.—See footnote b for verse 14.



Second “Day”

“‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven.”—Genesis 1:6-8.

Some translations use the word “firmament” instead of “expanse.” From this the argument is made that the Genesis account borrowed from creation myths that represent this “firmament” as a metal dome. But even the King James Version Bible, which uses “firmament,” says in the margin, “expansion.” This is because the Hebrew word ra·qi′a‛, translated “expanse,” means to stretch out or spread out or expand.

The Genesis account says that God did it, but it does not say how. In whatever way the described separation occurred, it would look as though the ‘waters above’ had been pushed up from the earth. And birds could later be said to fly in “the expanse of the heavens,” as stated at Genesis 1:20.



Third “Day”

“‘Let the waters under the heavens be brought together into one place and let the dry land appear.’ And it came to be so. And God began calling the dry land Earth, but the bringing together of the waters he called Seas.” (Genesis 1:9, 10) As usual, the account does not describe how this was done. No doubt, tremendous earth movements would have been involved in the formation of land areas. Geologists would explain such major upheavals as catastrophism. But Genesis indicates direction and control by a Creator.

In the Biblical account where God is described as questioning Job about his knowledge of the earth, a variety of developments concerning earth’s history are described: its measurements, its cloud masses, its seas and how their waves were limited by dry land—many things in general about the creation, spanning long periods of time. Among these things, comparing earth to a building, the Bible says that God asked Job: “Into what have its socket pedestals been sunk down, or who laid its cornerstone?”—Job 38:6.

Interestingly, like “socket pedestals,” earth’s crust is much thicker under continents and even more so under mountain ranges, pushing deep into the underlying mantle, like tree roots into soil. “The idea that mountains and continents had roots has been tested over and over again, and shown to be valid,” says Putnam’s Geology.2 Oceanic crust is only about 5 miles thick, but continental roots go down about 20 miles and mountain roots penetrate about twice that far. And all earth’s layers press inward upon earth’s core from all directions, making it like a great “cornerstone” of support.

Whatever means were used to accomplish the raising up of dry land, the important point is: Both the Bible and science recognize it as one of the stages in the forming of the earth.

Land Plants on Third “Day”

The Bible account adds: “‘Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:11.

Thus by the close of this third creative period, three broad categories of land plants had been created. The diffused light would have become quite strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green plants. Incidentally, the account here does not mention every “kind” of plant that came on the scene. Microscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically named, but likely were created on this “day.”



Fourth “Day”

“‘Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.’ And it came to be so. And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars.”—Genesis 1:14-16; Psalm 136:7-9.

Previously, on the first “day,” the expression “Let light come to be” was used. The Hebrew word there used for “light” is ’ohr, meaning light in a general sense. But on the fourth “day,” the Hebrew word changes to ma·’ohr′, which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on “Luminaries” in the Emphasised Bible, says: “In ver. 3, ’ôr [’ohr], light diffused.” Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·’ohr′ in verse 14 means something “affording light.” On the first “day” diffused light evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud layers still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth “day,” things apparently changed.

An atmosphere initially rich in carbon dioxide may have caused an earth-wide hot climate. But the lush growth of vegetation during the third and fourth creative periods would absorb some of this heat-retaining blanket of carbon dioxide. The vegetation, in turn, would release oxygen—a requirement for animal life.

Now, had there been an earthly observer, he would be able to discern the sun, moon and stars, which would “serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years.” (Genesis 1:14) The moon would indicate the passing of lunar months, and the sun the passing of solar years. The seasons that now “came to be” on this fourth “day” would no doubt have been much milder than they became later on.—Genesis 1:15; 8:20-22.



Fifth “Day”

“‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls and let flying creatures fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse of the heavens.’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind.”—Genesis 1:20, 21.

It is of interest to note that the nonhuman creatures with which the waters were to swarm are called “living souls.” This term would also apply to the “flying creatures [that] fly over the earth upon the face of the expanse.” And it would also embrace the forms of sea and air life, such as the sea monsters, whose fossil remains scientists have found in recent times.




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posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Sixth “Day”

“‘Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.’ And it came to be so.”—Genesis 1:24.

Thus on the sixth “day,” land animals characterized as wild and domestic appeared. But this final “day” was not over. One last remarkable “kind” was to come:

“And God went on to say: ‘Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.’ And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.”—Genesis 1:26, 27.

Chapter 2 of Genesis apparently adds some details. However, it is not, as some have concluded, another account of creation in conflict with that of chapter 1. It just takes up at a point in the third “day,” after dry land appeared but before land plants were created, adding details that were pertinent to the arrival of humans—Adam the living soul, his garden home, Eden, and the woman Eve, his wife.—Genesis 2:5-9, 15-18, 21, 22.

The foregoing is presented to help us understand what Genesis says. And this quite realistic account indicates that the creative process continued throughout a period of, not just 144 hours (6 × 24), but over many millenniums of time.



How Did Genesis Know?

31 Many find it hard to accept this creation account. They contend that it is drawn from the creation myths of ancient peoples, primarily those from ancient Babylon. However, as one recent Bible dictionary noted: “No myth has yet been found which explicitly refers to the creation of the universe” and the myths “are marked by polytheism and the struggles of deities for supremacy in marked contrast to the Heb[rew] monotheism of [Genesis] 1-2.”3 Regarding Babylonian creation legends, the trustees of the British Museum stated: “The fundamental conceptions of the Babylonian and Hebrew accounts are essentially different.”4

32 From what we have considered, the Genesis creation account emerges as a scientifically sound document. It reveals the larger categories of plants and animals, with their many varieties, reproducing only “according to their kinds.” The fossil record provides confirmation of this. In fact, it indicates that each “kind” appeared suddenly, with no true transitional forms linking it with any previous “kind,” as required by the evolution theory.

33 All the knowledge of the wise men of Egypt could not have furnished Moses, the writer of Genesis, any clue to the process of creation. The creation myths of ancient peoples bore no resemblance to what Moses wrote in Genesis. Where, then, did Moses learn all these things? Apparently from someone who was there.

34 The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8) sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic.



posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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As much as I dislike the concept of Christianity, and most religions in general. I think people should at least respect others believes, even if they don't agree with them.

And quite honestly these pics, are no better then the Christians saying "If you don't believe in our religion your going to hell"



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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Hey now, I think what he means in the picture is that the goat hearders were right, and knew things back then that we still cant figure out now,BEFORE the bible was writen. If you look at Sumarian and Ancient Egyptian text you would know what they mean. The Bible was written long after Christ, so you cant tell me thats how they knew what they knew, because they knew these things before Christ was even born.

It's not like Humans where uneducated beings before Jesus came along.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:17 AM
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I dont see what the difference is, between saying something like this to someone,(this gets done on ATS) Every day! But in a picture it's a problem? As I said, theres one for everyone, so pic the one you're guilty of, cause there is nothing to argue about..this thread does not take sides. It shows the true nature of things as they are, but the people involved in it cannot see it. Yes even me!



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:18 AM
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For what it is worth, I am agnostic and still believe what you have done here is childish, petty, insulting, shallow, insecure, and most of all ... LAME.

Absolute junk.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:31 AM
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Well then, show me that even one of these pictures do not have truth in them. My point is that every belief hurts or clashes with the beliefs of another. And Yes, the truth hurts doesn't it? And if you read the top of my post you would get my point.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 04:41 AM
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Well now, I guess I should have said was, These pics below do not necessarily depict my own views and oppinions! WTF?



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by jinx880101
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Hey now, I think what he means in the picture is that the goat hearders were right, and knew things back then that we still cant figure out now,BEFORE the bible was writen. If you look at Sumarian and Ancient Egyptian text you would know what they mean. The Bible was written long after Christ, so you cant tell me thats how they knew what they knew, because they knew these things before Christ was even born.

It's not like Humans where uneducated beings before Jesus came along.


right... so let me see if im understanding you...

- the bible was written after jesus even though the evidence is to the contrary.

- the ancient people were able to study and deduce from geographic evidence what the earth was like in the different phases of its developments.

- and that tales of gods being ripped apart and their bodies becoming earth is testament to this "accurate" knowledge they had...

sorry, dont buy it.

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posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by jinx880101
Well then, show me that even one of these pictures do not have truth in them. My point is that every belief hurts or clashes with the beliefs of another. And Yes, the truth hurts doesn't it? And if you read the top of my post you would get my point.




This one I think is pretty dumb. It's just the common atheist tactic of using the absolute worse examples of 1 side you can find and making an example of it.

It would be like finding the dumbest things possible an atheist ever said or did, and then painting that as the entire meaning of atheism. Instead, we are supposed to only look at the smartest people who are atheists in comparison to the dumbest of the other side.

It's a common means of manipulation and propaganda. A favorite in the media as well. Take a rally of any sort. If the media wants to promote that, then they will highlight the best examples in the crowd they want, and avoid any that might seem "crazy". But, if the media doesn't like it, then it avoids the best and highlights the worse/crazy. And in the process completely paints and manipulates the entire picture to be what they want it to mean.

It's status quo and you are really just being part of that.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 03:27 AM
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Now you are sitting both sides of the fence! I agreed with your first post and then you are still on the attack. Even though I made it clear that people in biblical days where in fact not stupid and knew alot of what was going on regarding the cosmos, seasons and earth changes. You obviously dont get the reason why I posted this thread. I do not agree with some things depicted in the photos and wanted to discuss them, like a civilised person. And even though, I do not agree with most of those pics and sayings, they all have some truth to them. They even contradict each other. As far as I know, the earliest date for the creation of the New Testament was dated 70AD. And as far as I know the dating of the old testament will always be debated depending on the religion you choose to follow. So unless you can provide some sort of 'evidence' that you claim to know of, please stop being so snotty!



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 03:35 AM
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I see what you mean and agree with you 100%. They are generalising all Athiests because of some dumb comment an uninformed Athiest said and making out that all of them are like that. I suppose thats kindof what we do to Christians and any other 'extremist' group. You get a handfull of extremists and suddenly the whole belief suffers under that.



It's status quo and you are really just being part of that.

I think you are missing my point. Which is to discuss the hypocracy, and contradiction in these pictures. I guess I should've put that in the original post.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by jinx880101
Now you are sitting both sides of the fence! I agreed with your first post and then you are still on the attack.


no you didnt agree, in fact, if you read what i posted we are claiming to different things.

you are asserting that people in bible times knew alot about things.

while i agree, i assert that somethings they could not have known.


Even though I made it clear that people in biblical days where in fact not stupid and knew alot of what was going on regarding the cosmos, seasons and earth changes.


there is a major difference between observational knowledge and theoretical knowledge based on close examination.

there is no way that people in bible times could have known the order in which the earth and life on it formed. the only reason we know is because we many scientist collecting a huge amount of data from around the world. from geographic data to fossil records which frankly were unavailable to ancient people (likely they wouldnt have cared to dig a whole for bones).

yet you have the exact order written down in genesis. so either they were really good geologists and paleontologists or someone gave them that information.


You obviously dont get the reason why I posted this thread. I do not agree with some things depicted in the photos and wanted to discuss them, like a civilised person. And even though, I do not agree with most of those pics and sayings, they all have some truth to them.


which is fine. i dont understand why you are taking my posts so personally.


They even contradict each other. As far as I know, the earliest date for the creation of the New Testament was dated 70AD. And as far as I know the dating of the old testament will always be debated depending on the religion you choose to follow. So unless you can provide some sort of 'evidence' that you claim to know of, please stop being so snotty!


your statement frankly makes little sense, since the NT is not one book but several. in fact the whole bible is a compilation that was written over 1660 years..

so saying "The Bible was written long after Christ" isnt exactly true is it?



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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there is no way that people in bible times could have known the order in which the earth and life on it formed. the only reason we know is because we many scientist collecting a huge amount of data from around the world. from geographic data to fossil records which frankly were unavailable to ancient people (likely they wouldnt have cared to dig a whole for bones).


You are kidding me right? This below is from Sumarian views of creation writen about 5000 years ago.

"After the mountain of heaven and earth,
An caused the Anunnaki to be born,"

So we know that heaven and earth was a united mountain, the "cosmic mountain". Then from "Gilgamesh, Enkidu and the Nether World" we get:

"After heaven had been moved away from the earth,
After earth had been separated from heaven,
After the name of man had been fixed;
After An had carried off heaven,
After Enlil had carried off earth,"

Heaven and earth were separated, but the above text does not say how. Luckily we find out in the preface to the "Creation of the pickax":

"The lord, that which is appropriate verily he caused to appear,
The lord whose decisions are unalterable,
Enlil, who brings up the seed of the land from the earth,
Took care to move away heaven from earth,
Took care to move away earth from heaven."

Also, Ancient Egyptian cultures figured it out pretty abrubtly didnt they? Some of their pyramids are perfectly alligned with regions of the cosmos, they knew alot more than we think.



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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May I just add this, for interest's sake.
Also from Sumarian Culture, way before Ancient Egypt.

Sumerian Legend of Creation
ENUMA ELISH

TABLET I
When skies above were not yet named
Nor earth below pronounced by name,
Apsu, the first one, their begetter
And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,
Had mixed their waters together,
But had not formed pastures, nor discovered reed-beds;
When yet no gods were manifest,
Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
Then gods were born within them.
Lahmu and Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced.
As soon as they matured, were fully formed,
Anshar and Kisar were born, surpassing them.
They passed the days at length, they added to the years.
Anu their first-born son rivalled his forefathers:
Anshar made his son Anu like himself,
And Anu begot Nudimmud in his likeness.
He, Nudimmud, was superior to his forefathers:
Profound of understanding, he was wise, was very strong at arms.
Mightier by far than Anshar his father's begetter,
He had no rival among the gods his peers.
The gods of that generation would meet together
And disturb Tiamat, and their clamour reverberated.
They stirred up Tiamat's belly,
They were annoying her by playing inside Anduruna.
Apsu could not quell their noise
And Tiamat became mute before them;
However grievous their behaviour to her,
However bad their ways, she would indulge them.
Finally Apsu, begetter of the great gods,
Called out and addressed his vizier Mummu,
‘O Mummu, vizier who pleases me!
Come, let us go to Tiamat!'
They went and sat in front of Tiamat,
And discussed affairs concerning the gods their sons.
Apsu made his voice heard
And spoke to Tiamat in a loud voice,
‘Their ways have become very grievous to me,
By day I cannot rest, by night I cannot sleep.
I shall abolish their ways and disperse them!
Let peace prevail, so that we can sleep.'
When Tiamat heard this,
She was furious and shouted at her lover;
She shouted dreadfully and was beside herself with rage,
But then suppressed the evil in her belly.
‘How could we allow what we ourselves created to perish?
Even though their ways are so grievous, we should bear it patiently.'
(Vizier) Mummu replied and counselled Apsu;
The vizier did not agree with the counsel of his earth mother.
‘O father, put an end to (their) troublesome ways, so that she may be allowed to rest by day and sleep at night.'
Apsu was pleased with him, his face lit up
At the evil he was planning for the gods his sons.
(Vizier) Mummu hugged him,
Sat on his lap and kissed him rapturously.
But everything they plotted between them
Was relayed to the gods their sons.
The gods listened and wandered about restlessly;
They fell silent, they sat mute.
Superior in understanding, wise and capable,
Ea who knows everything found out their plot,
Made for himself a design of everything, and laid it out correctly,
Made it cleverly, his pure spell was superb.
He recited it and it stilled the waters.
He poured sleep upon him so that he was sleeping soundly,
Put Apsu to sleep, drenched with sleep.
Vizier Mummu the counsellor (was in ) a sleepless daze.
He (Ea) unfastened his belt, took off his crown,
Took away his mantle of radiance and put it on himself.
He held Apsu down and slew him;
Tied up Mummu and laid him across him.
He set up his dwelling on top of Apsu,
And grasped Mummu, held him by a nose-rope.
When he had overcome and slain his enemies,
Ea set up his triumphal cry over his foes.
Then he rested very quietly inside his private quarters
And named them Apsu and assigned chapels,
Founded his own residence there,
And Ea and Damkina his lover dwelt in splendour.
In the chamber of destinies, the hall of designs,
Bel, cleverest of the clever, sage of the gods, was begotten.
And inside Apsu, Marduk was created;
Inside pure Apsu, Marduk was born.

Here's the link, if you would like to read more, there are in facet several tablets such as this one.history-world.org...



posted on Aug, 26 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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sumerian myth - different gods and goddesses mate and create the different bodies (earth, heavens, sea)

Bible - doesnt personify anything, but rather lists accurately the order in which they were created.

even the primeval sea is not really comparaible since in sumerian myth, the sea gives birth to the heaven and earth whereas in the bible the sea is on the earth AFTER the heaven and earth was created which matches more with our knowledge of what happened

the creation of man only shares the use of clay, other than that they are completely different

im not sure how that makes these the same tale



posted on Aug, 27 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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You should really check it out, You would be surprised how well the bible correlates with sumarian Texts. What you call sumarian myth, I could call Biblical myth. I'm buisy reading Zacharia Sitchens book, the twelth planet. I know alot of people are sceptical about it, But I would have to finish it before I make up my mind about it. You should take a look at it, although I doubt you will,if havent already. My familly would # their pants if they knew I was reading something like this. My point though is, its alot of info to take in and try and explain. (esspecialy if I haven't finished reading it yet).
But who cares anyway, some will disagree or argue. But all of us are going to find out sooner or later. If it even matters. Maybe its even totaly irrelivant.



posted on Aug, 27 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by jinx880101
You should really check it out, You would be surprised how well the bible correlates with sumarian Texts.


actually, i am looking into it. but im finding several immediate problems with it. the main one being dates.

im finding that diehard sumerian bible "linkers" (dont know what to call them) have to move established dates around to fit their theories.

the most radical claim ive seen was that genesis was really written during Babylonian captivity.



posted on Aug, 27 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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Ok that I've never heard of. You should u2u me with the info would like to read it. What I have noted from the book that I'm reading is that 'nothing makes sense until you take the dates and other information in the bible litterally'. Apparently, then they coralate.




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