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reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 04:45 AM by CX
I've just found this over at Amazon, just one of many books on building a log cabin.

How to build and furnish a log cabin

We all have survival books, wild food books and the likes stuffed in our BOB's, i think you do a lot worse than to have one of these tucked away in there too.

Even if you are not looking towards the long term shelter, just think of the improvements you could make in a temprorary one if you had the rough knowledge of building cabin?

If i see any more, i'll post them.

CX.


reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 06:18 AM by midnightbrigade
Awesome info!!

S&F



reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 06:42 AM by OmegaLogos
Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: I wanted to be an architech and I did some work experience to that end when I was in high school [yr10]. So here goes.

1. Get Your FOUNDATIONS right from the get go and thats 50% of your structures future long term survival right there! The type of foundations you build will totally depend on the types of soil in your area! DO some research on your local building and construction codes!

2. Do some structural engineering study/research on the local or imported materials that you will be using in the construction. Work out some logistics as to sourcing and costing these items! Quality construction requires Quality building/construction materials. SAME GOES FOR YOUR TOOLS!

3. Get a REAL independent architech to go over any of your personal design layouts just to get a 2nd opinion!

4. All Buildings have a LIFESPAN and this is decided BEFOR the building is ever even put to paper. Are you building for just a few yrs befor rehashing/upgrading or are you building for generations to come?

Personal Disclosure: Forget about form as thats just bling/facade and can be added/disguised later! GET THE FUNCTIONS CORRECT 1st! and then everything else will flow! A building has to WORK or its just a waste of resources!

Edited to add the real estate managers motto "LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION!"

[edit on 21-8-2009 by OmegaLogos]


reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 06:54 AM by DezertSkies
It depends on where you are and what kind of shelter you need from the elements. In the tropics where palm trees are plentiful, tiki style huts and thatched shelters can be made to withstand some serious storms and stay dry if built properly. I've helped stand and thatch a few that withstood hurricane force winds with only minor loss of thatching.

Here's an idea:
en.wikipedia.org...

And how about adobe and/or rammed earth?

Another thing that you can do if you've got access to some sort of mortar and lots of chopped and split wood is make a chordwood cabin. Basically it's a stack of split logs with mortar between the wood. It's a lot less technical than building a log cabin and the materials are small enough that they can be handled easily my anyone, skilled or unskilled, safely.

How about using stones? Around here it'd be REAL easy to build a small stone cabin. as there's plenty of rock around here and lots of it is already flat enough to stack up into walls that will stay put, especially when i mud it all in with some sort of adobe or mud/grass mix. I'd make sure i built a stone fireplace that can be used for cooking and then i'd most likely use agave stalks and a lattice of ocotillo to tie bundles of beargrass to and thatch a roof.

It really depends on where you are, if it's cold enough you can carve you an ice palace.

Whatever you do, keep it simple and practical. A small log cabin big enough to cook, sleep, and work on crafts and projects is practical. A 5 story log mansion with balconies on every floor and 100 rooms os just ridiculous.

And resources, what do you have to work with? If you have concrete or can make it, then that's a big plus. Limestome heated in a fire and then cooled will give you lime to make concrete with. Add water to the lime and it'll react, dissolving into a putty. This putty is what you add sand and rocks to and you've got concretre Just add sand only and you'll have mortar.

If you can build four equilateral triangle flat pieces you can put them together into a pyramid.

If you're on the beach in south america or mexico you may be able to build a structure out of whalebones. The ancient Peruvians did it that way.

How about a large teepee? Buffalo hide isn't as easy to come by ever since white man "discovered" america, but i'd be willing to bet that if it's post doomsday, there'll be "feral" cows roaming around. Cows are a LOT easier to "hunt" than buffalo.

Several tribes in the southwest deserts were cliff-dwellers, and should you find yourself in a place that lends it to this type of architecture, that may be an option as well.

Underground and semi-underground are also possibilities depending on where you are and what you have to work with.

Got bamboo? Check out how the polynesians and pacific islanders build a raised floor out of laminated bamboo. If you've got bamboo and a machete, then you're all set.

How about society's waste? Come across something like a supply of pallets? There's a modular prefab home right there. Even without nails you can lash 'em together and build a structure.

My point is that there's a LOT of ways to build a few walls and a small roof. Use what you've got to fill your needs. In the tropics you won't need (or want) to cook indoors as you would in say, alaska. The same with insulation, in the tropics thin walls are fine but you'll want more insulating materials in colder regions.


reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 06:59 AM by Inannamute
This site - www.freewebs.com...
is great. For $5 the author will send you his ebook, which is definitely well worth it. Not only does it include details on how to build a cabin just like his, and also how to expand the cabin for future needs, but deals with things like sanitation, composting, solar cooking, washing, and various other kinds of useful things the author's designed. Yes, it's not intended to be for a sitx type thing, but there's still a lot of useful info there. For example, if you're building a permanent house, but need shelter fast, you can build the main cabin for your and your family, and then expand it with three rooms if necessary - one per side, so you have a place to live while continuing to build.


reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 08:31 AM by Inannamute
One other thing, with regards to heat etc.. Consider doing your best to insulate your shelters well, whether with earth, fibers, etc.. (I'd probably go with earth, because of the fireproof properties).. While this would add significantly to the labor in the construction stage, for long term survival, one key component is to give yourselves enough calories versus expenditure. Being cold, uses calories. Spending a lot of time finding fuel such as firewood, burns calories. The less time you need to spend on such a fundamental thing as keeping warm in your shelter (or cool, for different reasons, since you'll use more water if you're too hot), the more overall calories your group has to spend on things like food production, safety, and overall improvements of your lifestyle.

Thus, insulation is a one-time labor expense, not a recurring one, and should definitely be considered important. If you're building something with wood, sticks (eg a wattle and daub style construction) even metal or plastic (depending on what you have available), mud between two layers of something else would make great insulation. Of course, a crucial aspect of that sort of insulation would be a well constructed roof, so that you're not going to wash your insulation out of the walls (unless your construction is water tight, which is harder to achieve).

Similarly this is why you should construct as close to water as feasible.. You're going to minimize the calories expended to get that water to your shelter. Even better would be if you can create some kind of pipe system from water to your shelter (even if you have to manually fill a cistern by the water source, expending no energy to actually transport that water to your shelter is very valuable).

Your time is limited. On a low food supply, your energy is limited, thus everything you do should be towards minimizing calorie output, since you can't necessarily govern what *input* you get.


reply posted on 23-8-2009 @ 03:55 AM by Ex_MislTech
Originally posted by calstorm
My primary B.O. location is pretty hard to get to, even on foot, but yes, my plans include a camouflaged door just in case. I also have the benefit of dense vegetation. I was planning on using stones from along the river bed near by to build up the walls, but I am open to alternative solutions. Would using a log to pound the ceiling help? Dome shape?

Some Cob buildings from the 1600's are still standing in the UK.

Cob building materials

Make a hybrid between that and Mike Oehler's $50 and up
underground housing, and you are good to go.

Underground housing website of Mike Oehler

Smoke from a fireplace may bring visitors, sometimes you get lucky
and they are good visitors, sometimes not so much.

The underground sections would stay the same temperature year
round and why wine cellars are mostly underground, a power failure
would not spoil the large collection of valuable wine.

Root Cellars

This also works as your own secure root cellar to store food as well.


[edit on 23-8-2009 by Ex_MislTech]


reply posted on 23-8-2009 @ 04:32 AM by ElectricUniverse
Underground homes, or even partially underground "earth bermed" are the best forms of long lasting dwellings.

You don't have to worry so much about outside maintenance, you get a constant temperature of around 65-71, depending if it is completely underground or just an earth berm home.

My home is partially underground which keeps it cooler on summers than any home above ground, and on winter the temp doesn't fall as much as outside, and in an above ground home in winter you suffer more during bad winters and have to use more energy to keep your home warm. Meanwhile a partially underground, or better yet a fully underground home you will have almost a constant temperature of around 65-67 degrees which is easier to get warm, or maintain yourself cool if you like the temp cool.

With an underground home you don't have to worry so much about forest fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, or almost most if not all natural and even man-made catasthrophes, your home will be safe for the most part.

If you add nuclear and biological filters such as these.
www.alpinesurvival.com...

Or these.
www.americansaferoom.com...

Just in case we get attacked again.

This type of home is excellent.



I want to be able to build an underground home. I have the skills since my first job in the U.S. was working with my uncle on his construction company, and I learned the skills from my uncle himself, although right now I wouldn't be able to build one due to my injury which I hope it will get better soon.

Anyway, anyone that is considering building a log home should seriously consider upgrading and building an underground home, or at least an earth berm home, you will thank me later.




[edit on 23-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]


reply posted on 23-8-2009 @ 08:25 PM by desertdreamer
reply to post by CX



Check out this site

Coyote Cottage

This guy built a 500 sq. ft. cabin.....has all the designs and pictures on how he did it....looks pretty good.
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