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Just because someone doesn't have the same beliefs as me, I don't believe in caning someone for having a beer, and they do...that has nothing to do with my emotions. It has to do with condoning violence on another human being. I could be wrong and they could be right, but I'll stick to my own opinion.
Is it wrong to hold everyone on earth accountable to your religion?
How about to disown a family member?
All in the name of.....
............................ Emotions go high.
I'm in no position to claim what is right and what is wrong, I can only compare and contrast, and I can only reflect on those issues. So let's continue.
To me, it makes no sense. I also offered a potential reason why. Myself being an infidel. I would like to think of human beings as better than this. The point remains, we are not. Just as there has been a disagreement between you and me, we have risen above it and at least attempted to compare, contrast, & reflect on those issues. Where is that for this woman?
It has to do with your emotion because you only think about caning, not its effect, not the reason behind caning, not the defects of alcohol etc etc. So if you are only focusing on something which emotionaly makes you go oohh, then that is emotional. Let me make this simple, someone kills your son in self defense, you only think about the killing of your son and you state that it is wrong. That is emotional thinking.
Originally posted by reticledc
reply to post by oozyism
I cannot find anything to compare to it that makes sense to me.
That is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Again, all in the name of......
The fact that the person is a guest in that country, should also carry some weight.
Once again, where is the compare, contrast, reflection?
She is being made an example out of no doubt, but then again, that's just my opinion.
Personally, I would Like to hear, if you think she deserves it or not, and your reasons for believing so.
[edit on 8/23/2009 by reticledc]
I have crashed twice, luckily haven't killed anyone, both times drunk, both cars damaged beyond repair, both times fined more than a thousand New Zealand dollars. Being a full time student I'm still trying to finish the payments. I have had countless fights while drunk, for apparently no reason they say. Once I got pissed off for no reason and started beating up my good friend while drinking in town, it was a bloody night. This is not just me, it is most people who drink. People with certain characteristics, if drink excessively would make them violent and intolerant.
This is not just me, it is most people who drink. People with certain characteristics, if drink excessively would make them violent and intolerant.
Originally posted by Oatmeal
Sounds like you are a very young man with a terrible problem with alcohol. I hope you get help. Check out some Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, they are supposed to help. Your difficulties handling alcohol do not relate to this woman's difficulty. You see it is perfectly legal to consume alcohol in Maylaysia, unless you are a Muslim. She is choosing to be Punished in Public to show others how stupid the law is. This woman wasn't "Bench Drinking" or Driving a car while under the influence. Her "crime" was being Muslim, and having a Beer, That's all. I'll bet you were drinking while typing your last post. Please do get yourself some help...
[edit on 23-8-2009 by Oatmeal]
While most New Zealanders enjoy alcohol in moderation most of the time, there are negative health and social consequences associated with drinking. Negative consequences include hospital admissions, deaths, road accidents and assaults.
Alcohol is the most commonly used recreational drug in New Zealand. Approximately 81 percent of New Zealanders between the ages of 12 and 65 years reported consuming alcohol within a 12 month period as part of a 2004 Ministry of Health alcohol use survey.
Binge drinking is the most significant and common aspect of overall alcohol misuse, and these behaviours cross all socio-economic groups. The New Zealand Health Survey found that 17.7 percent of us are hazardous drinkers . ALAC’s Alcohol Monitor classifies 25 percent of New Zealanders as binge drinkers . Additionally, certain groups are disproportionately impacted by alcohol misuse (young people, Pacific and Mäori communities). Also, alcohol misuse has especially adverse effects on unborn children.
* There are no health benefits of drinking alcohol before middle age. Most of the benefits of alcohol consumption accrue in the elderly. The benefits are associated with regular low volume intake, and risks associated with heavy drinking persist into old age.
* The pattern of drinking is very important in determining the health effects of alcohol consumption. The pattern of drinking has a major influence on both benefits and harm.
* Injury is responsible for about half of all alcohol-attributable deaths and almost three-quarters of the years of life lost due to alcohol. Even amongst low volume drinkers, there are increased risks of injury associated with alcohol.
* There is a huge burden of disability due to alcohol use disorders.
* The health burden of alcohol falls inequitably on Mäori. The combination of more harmful drinking patterns and a smaller proportion of the population in the older age groups where benefits accrue, means that the Mäori population is more adversely affected by alcohol than the non-Mäori population.
Now once again, it seems you don't understand the complexity of the issue. Why is there a drinking culture in NZ? Do you know? Because alcohol is available.