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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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reply to post by truthtothemasses
 

Ya thats right...

He's just a figment of the brainwashed religious nutjobs with
overactive imaginations right?

I understand your POV.
Just really glad we are NOT on the same page though.


This is called an opinion.....just like yours.
In that we are on the same page!

Edit:
Have you ever seen the movie "Crossroads"?
I am a professional musician and I know for a fact this stuff happens.
Not something you want to mess with. IMO
Keep God first in your heart.
He will deal with the devil.
Sorry to sound all preachy if you think I do!

en.wikipedia.org...(1986_film)
www.crossroad.to...




[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]




posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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I don't get it... How can you follow both at the same time? God allows slavery, but Jesus doesn't. God allows the stoning of children, but Jesus doesn't. Again, which God are you following and which is good? God or Jesus? The two have very contradictory teachings which is why I am very curious and wanting for a serious answer.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by truthtothemasses
 

Ya thats right...

He's just a figment of the brainwashed religious nutjobs with
overactive imaginations right?

I understand your POV.
Just really glad we are NOT on the same page though.


This is called an opinion.....just like yours.
In that we are on the same page!

Edit:
Have you ever seen the movie "Crossroads"?
I am a professional musician and I know for a fact this stuff happens.
Not something you want to mess with. IMO
Keep God first in your heart.
He will deal with the devil.
Sorry to sound all preachy if you think I do!

en.wikipedia.org...(1986_film)
www.crossroad.to...


Yeah, actually the "devil" is a figment of your imagination. The mind is very powerful and can create different realities out of thin air. Like a child that has an "active imagination", so do you religious types. Like children, who like to live in fairy tells, religious folks create a realty to deal with the complexities of life that they can't understand.

Being balanced is essential to growing/evolving. Negative energy is needed just as much as positive energy. If you go too far into the negative or the positive energy, you create unstableness. This is okay if it is just in one individual, but when you spread this unstableness around, you can create some serious problems. As we can see every single day across the world.

Negativity is a reaction to situations that have gone too far into the positive energy. Why do you think we have so many people that think they are bi-polar, or addicts? They are dealing with a situation that is unbalanced and have to adapt accordingly. Furthermore, if you cannot understand what motivates you to do certain things, you probably don't no what I'm talking about. Being negative or doing "negative" things isn't bad at all. There are "good" negatives and "bad" negatives for example. Good negatives are things you do physically to your body(jogging, lifting weights, having sex, etc.). "Bad" negatives are things like taking drugs or drinking alcohol.

Your "devil" is located in this "bad" negative energy(of course). But this is a reaction to what MEN have done to create a pseudo reality for people like you to believe in. The "devil" manifests inside your head because that is a story that a man told you, not "god". Man manipulates others to believe as they do or else suffer consequences. This has been going on for thousands upon thousands of years. WAKE UP!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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I don't get it... How can you follow both at the same time? God allows slavery, but Jesus doesn't. God allows the stoning of children, but Jesus doesn't.

This world is currently run by evil, so these things will happen.
You are getting it all mixed up!!
I believe in a creator, as I can perceive him to be.
As one who thinks you think the bible is false,
I understand you confusion. Jesus is Gods son.
Jesus gave his life so we may have another chance at salvation.
How could I explain this concept to one who doesn't even believe in it,
in the first place?
You have to seek him, I cant do that for you!

I appologize for not telling you what you want to hear.
I have neither the time nor the words to explain it all properly
even if I thought I needed to.
Man is the one who commits evil upon himself.
God has a way out if we choose it.
He wont always intervene on mans behalf.

If it is such a quandry, may I suggest just asking God or Jesus?
The only contradictions are the ones man's feeble mind cannot see through and realize mans interpretation may be inadequate.
If you have not read and understood the bible, how would you know
whats in it?


[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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If it is such a quandry, may I suggest just asking God or Jesus?
The only contradictions are the ones man's feeble mind cannot see through and realize mans interpretation may be inadequate.
If you have not read and understood the bible, how would you know
whats in it?


Oh, I've had my fair share of directly asking God for signs and such. It's not much use when nothing is heard in return. I've been to church before when I was younger, but asked my mom at age eight if I could stop going. She asked me why and I told her I was too old for a fairytale.

I've read the bible and yet all I see is the intellectual theft of other mythologies. Yet somehow in this plagiarism, the monotheists managed, in my opinion, to do nothing more than create a God who should be feared. This wicked God has done more destruction and harm against our species than he has done good. We're told we have freedom of choice when in reality we do not. If he exists and I exercise my freedom of choice to *not* worship a deity who vengefully commits genocide of an entire world because they too exercised their freedom of choice to also not worship him, then I will be forever punished for all eternity in what sounds to me to be the most horrid of punishments I can imagine. If you wish to call 'worship me or forever be punished' a form of freedom, then in my opinion you are no different than one who sympathizes with a tyrannical dictator or one who stays in an abusive relationship constantly making excuses for why you get beaten when you don't do as your told.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Thank you for the reply!
And for not bashing! I appreciate it.
I know sometimes the silence is deafening!
Excellent point about the rest of your post!
There is so much that doesnt make sense i realize that.
You do not have to worship anyone!
Only trust him and his infinite wisdom.
He rarely answers me but if I am open to him,
he will put the answer in my head almost instantly now.
It took a long time to achieve this.
I had to learn to only thank him and be humble for a long
time before my questions ever started getting answered.
I think he wanted to make sure my heart was in the right place.
I am glad you were able to experience a little when you was small.
Too bad it left a bad taste.
Have you heard that anything good, takes work?
The bible is actually very different from mythology.
But I agree in that its all pretty out there!
He has done nothing to man except what he only has to.
It is always for our betterment as hard as this is to see.
Man chooses his walk in life, even if that walk is evil.


If he exists and I exercise my freedom of choice to *not* worship a deity who vengefully commits genocide of an entire world because they too exercised their freedom of choice to also not worship him, then I will be forever punished for all eternity in what sounds to me to be the most horrid of punishments I can imagine. If you wish to call 'worship me or forever be punished' a form of freedom, then in my opinion you are no different than one who sympathizes with a tyrannical dictator or one who stays in an abusive relationship constantly making excuses for why you get beaten when you don't do as your told.

Dont worry about any of that, we will all get another chance!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Thanks for the reply!
I realize this is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
However, you have not seen what I have, nor
have you walked in my shoes.
It seems you are assuming much about me.
Dont do that, please.
You may want to worry about your own salvation instead,
(or lack thereof)
or at least try to refrain from assuming anything about
someone you obviously dont know.
If you dont mind that is.
I wish what you suggest was true for your sake.
That its all made up fairy tale stuff.
From what I have found, it is not.
That is my honest and studied opinion.


[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Uh, just found some interesting new science for you creationists.

gizmodo.com...

Some one brought up the "science haven't been able to make a living cell" argument at some point, but i really don't wanna wade through all the ignorance, and much less give the person points by replying to him/her.

As you can see, we are working on it. Science is about change, religions are about stagnancy



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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You do not have to worship anyone!
Only trust him and his infinite wisdom.


Really, so we can ignore the first commandment now? What else can I ignore?


He rarely answers me but if I am open to him,
he will put the answer in my head almost instantly now.
It took a long time to achieve this.
I had to learn to only thank him and be humble for a long
time before my questions ever started getting answered.
I think he wanted to make sure my heart was in the right place.


I don't have the patience nor time for playing the waiting game. Life is just simply to short to wait around and play head games. I mean for crying out loud, he can create an entire universe out of nothing, but he can't make himself explicitly known to all of creation without a shred of doubt existing at all?


I am glad you were able to experience a little when you was small.
Too bad it left a bad taste.


Well, it wasn't so much that it left a bad taste, it was more to the effect that if this isn't the only fairytale then how can I accept the validity of it as being any more real than all the other religions that this fairytale says aren't real.


Have you heard that anything good, takes work?


Yes, and I am a firm believer of this, but I really don't see the connection there.


The bible is actually very different from mythology.


From my reading of it and the mythologies it stole it's idea's from, it doesn't really appear to be all that different.


He has done nothing to man except what he only has to.


Whoa, back up there... Is someone forcing him to act contradictory? He *has* to create us so that he can commit genocide against us and threaten to do so again in the future? That makes no sense to me at all. Why would he *have* to commit genocide or kill innocent infants? I mean fine... I'll give him all the adult killings, but he *had* to kill infants?


It is always for our betterment as hard as this is to see.


I fail to see how genocide and baby killing is for our betterment. Sounds more like what a tyrannical dictator would do to keep the population in check.


Man chooses his walk in life, even if that walk is evil.


Then why allow evil to exist at all? What purpose could evil possibly serve if God knows that he will do away with it in the future because he despises it? Why let it come into being if he already knew ahead of time? He does know and see all right? Or is he just lying to us saying that he does, wouldn't be the first time he lied.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Sorry, my friend. You come across as arrogant in your assumption that you know the truth/"god". I've ran into people like you numerous times and the more I experience life the more I realize how delusional you people are. Only 1 in a million of you "christians" even have the slightest idea of what your "savior" was trying to get across to his disciples.

You articulate nothing about truth or this "god" you claim you are knowledgable about. Your smugness of what you think is truth/"god" is deeply rooted inside your ego that was created by man. If you actually were one with "god" you wouldn't be on ATS un-articulately explaining so. You wouldn't even try to explain, you would simply go in to the world and just "do".

[edit on 14-11-2009 by truthtothemasses]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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Thanks for the reply.


Really, so we can ignore the first commandment now? What else can I ignore?

You completely missed my point.


I don't have the patience nor time for playing the waiting game. Life is just simply to short to wait around and play head games. I mean for crying out loud, he can create an entire universe out of nothing, but he can't make himself explicitly known to all of creation without a shred of doubt existing at all?

Um, I dont think thats how he rolls!

But you could always ask him, with a sincere heart.
I doubt that is possible, now. Sorry.
I am sorry you feel that God is somehow bad.
I wont try to explain this anymore, all I can do is hope you find the
answers you seek.
You believe that God is bad and no one especially not me could change your mind.


Well, it wasn't so much that it left a bad taste, it was more to the effect that if this isn't the only fairytale then how can I accept the validity of it as being any more real than all the other religions that this fairytale says aren't real.

I know huh! Religions are pretty out there sometimes!
But there are millions who know God is in their lives without any doubt.
Are you completely, always right and they are all completely, always wrong about their faith?
What gives you the right anyway, thinking you
know what happens in their life!
And if God has revealed himself to them or not?
You seem very inqusitive and smart,
dont tell me you really think that, do ya?


Yes, and I am a firm believer of this, but I really don't see the connection there.

Great! Then you also know that any great relationship takes work, right?


Whoa, back up there... Is someone forcing him to act contradictory? He *has* to create us so that he can commit genocide against us and threaten to do so again in the future? That makes no sense to me at all. Why would he *have* to commit genocide or kill innocent infants? I mean fine... I'll give him all the adult killings, but he *had* to kill infants?

Back up to where?
I am truly sorry I cannot explain this better.
Please take no heed to this.
He has to do nothing.
He only cares whats best for us in the long term.
I know you wont understand and just consider it my fault
for my sucky explanation. I am sorry for that.


I fail to see how genocide and baby killing is for our betterment. Sounds more like what a tyrannical dictator would do to keep the population in check.

Genocide and baby killng?
Wow, nuff said there how mixed up and hatefull you have become.
Somehow you continually blame God for mans evil. Very Sad indeed.
Carry on in your life. I do wish you the best.


Then why allow evil to exist at all? What purpose could evil possibly serve if God knows that he will do away with it in the future because he despises it? Why let it come into being if he already knew ahead of time? He does know and see all right? Or is he just lying to us saying that he does, wouldn't be the first time he lied

Um, I think you missed the memo about the test!

You know the one about what is evil 101?

How can we appreciate the good if we havent experienced the bad???
That is our test and reason for being here in the first place.
Thanks again!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Good point. Except why do you care what I do or say anyway?

I am just here telling what I have experienced in my life.
Is that so wrong?LOL!

Why is it so important that you seem to want to know
how I think (and a million other people think) too?
Talk about ego!


My opinion is every bit as credible as yours.
You have the problem with God, not I.
Isn't that why you are here?
Or is it just to bash me and somehow feel superior to
feed YOUR ego?
What is your experience or do you even have one
other than an opinion.
You know what I say about opinions, everyone has one.

How would you even know what I have experienced anyway?
Dont assume you do. Please.
And if I told you mine would it do you any good other than give youmore
bash material? Highly doubt it.
No thanks, I know you.
You get off on this sort of thing.
The chip on your shoulder must be killing you!
If you have a problem with God, then post it.
Leave the personal attacks in the romper room. Please.
If you can.

Edit:
To clarify, since you are not alone in your thoughts about me...


You come across as arrogant in your assumption that you know the truth/"god".

I only know his personal effect on my life.
You are actually the arrogant one in your assumption that I don't.


I've ran into people like you numerous times and the more I experience life the more I realize how delusional you people are

People like you? You have no idea who I am.
I guarantee you I am like no one else.
So dont even try to go there.
I see all sides and keep an open mind, is that delusional?
That is an unfounded stupid generalization on your part.


Only 1 in a million of you "christians" even have the slightest idea of what your "savior" was trying to get across to his disciples.

Us christians? Once again you are generalizing people and probably
would not even know who "our savior" is, since you dont believe anyway...geez!


You articulate nothing about truth or this "god" you claim you are knowledgable about.
Thank you!
I articulate the fact he has saved my life and blessed me many times over!
Hows that?


Your smugness of what you think is truth/"god" is deeply rooted inside your ego that was created by man.

Any worse than the denial is in yours?
Not smugness, thankfullness.
Which I am pretty sure is a concept foreign to you.


If you actually were one with "god" you wouldn't be on ATS un-articulately explaining so. You wouldn't even try to explain, you would simply go in to the world and just "do".

Maybe I am on here to do.....
no, I am really just here to bug you atheists!


[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by K-Raz
Uh, just found some interesting new science for you creationists.

gizmodo.com...

Some one brought up the "science haven't been able to make a living cell" argument at some point, but i really don't wanna wade through all the ignorance, and much less give the person points by replying to him/her.

As you can see, we are working on it. Science is about change, religions are about stagnancy


I'm still waiting for this to get the usual treatment.

Please look at the 5,10 and 20 year views.

Also, ever heard about the tail-bone? wisdom teeth? They're remnants from evolution.

The next characteristics we're gonna lose are the pinky, body hair, pinky toe, wisdom teeth and such. There are already being people born without wisdom teeth - how do you creationists explain that?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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I thought we already covered this!
Evolution and creationism actually can go together.
Albeit not like chocolate and peanut butter but...

Evolution is the nuts and bolts of creation?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Well, this wasn't so much directed at you, more someone else in this thread. Have you read the article? i would like you input on it


While i respect people with beliefs (unless they get in my face), i think we should always challenge beliefs in any form.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Thats pretty kewl!
The weird part is this:


Over the next five years, Organogenesis expects to continue to pioneer regenerative medicine by completely automating the manufacturing process using robotics. This is expected to be a first within the field.

Robots producing regenerative tissue?
Isnt that somehow ironic! Or even blasphemy! LOL! Just kidding!



This new era may see the successful regeneration of entire appendages (e.g. fingers). (20 years in the future)

That would save alot of suffering fer sure!
Always a good thing!
Contrary to poular belief, God hates suffering too.

Thanks for asking my take and for your reply!
Peace and my best to you! Star!

[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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I think you have done an excellent job at verbalizing the very simple and basic truths that so many fail to acknowledge and understand.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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That was some funny stuff.

To make a long story short(the one you didn't catch) is that you are apart of this existence, you are "god" and one with your "savior" Jesus. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!! grow the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 15-11-2009 by truthtothemasses]



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 06:03 AM
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You completely missed my point.


What was your point then? I don't get it... You told me I don't have to worship him, but his book clearly states that I must in order to receive his love and salvation.


Um, I dont think thats how he rolls!
But you could always ask him, with a sincere heart.
I doubt that is possible, now. Sorry.


There have been many time's I've asked in the most sincerest of all possible ways. I just lack the patience for waiting around for him in all his infinite power to call my name.


I am sorry you feel that God is somehow bad.
I wont try to explain this anymore, all I can do is hope you find the
answers you seek.
You believe that God is bad and no one especially not me could change your mind.


That's like saying Saddam Hussein isn't bad at all and was right for what he did. So long as people listened, Saddam didn't hurt them, but if they disobeyed his rules and law, he did away with him.

If you can't explain God's actions against our species and how those actions are good actions, then how can we call Saddam Hussein an evil bad man for doing no different than what God has done and threatens to do?


I know huh! Religions are pretty out there sometimes!
But there are millions who know God is in their lives without any doubt.
Are you completely, always right and they are all completely, always wrong about their faith?
What gives you the right anyway, thinking you
know what happens in their life!
And if God has revealed himself to them or not?
You seem very inqusitive and smart,
dont tell me you really think that, do ya?


But what about all those people who have and do believe in more than one God and have had confirmation of those God's through personal revelations given by those many Gods? How can one determine which God is the real creator of the universe when there are so many different Gods around?


Great! Then you also know that any great relationship takes work, right?


I understand that in order to have a successful relationship with anyone, it takes equal amounts of work from both parties. A successful relationship can't form when only one person is putting the effort into the relationship.


Back up to where?
I am truly sorry I cannot explain this better.
Please take no heed to this.
He has to do nothing.
He only cares whats best for us in the long term.
I know you wont understand and just consider it my fault
for my sucky explanation. I am sorry for that.


But you just said he had to do those thing's for our benefit. Now your telling me that he doesn't have to do those things. Which is it? Does he have to kill babies or not, in either case, why kill innocent babies?


Genocide and baby killng?
Wow, nuff said there how mixed up and hatefull you have become.
Somehow you continually blame God for mans evil. Very Sad indeed.
Carry on in your life. I do wish you the best.


Man didn't kill off all of mankind by flooding the Earth, so I fail to see how that act of genocide was man's doing. God was also the one who commanded the death of infants, I can quote him on that.


Um, I think you missed the memo about the test!
You know the one about what is evil 101?


See! That's my problem, he doesn't answer me or give me anything.


How can we appreciate the good if we havent experienced the bad???
That is our test and reason for being here in the first place.
Thanks again!


So God does bad thing's to us so we can appreciate the times when he is good to us? Isn't that eerily similar to what an abused wife thinks about her abusive husband?



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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"I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors but I think that god's got a sick sense of humor and when I die I expect to find him laughing".


I couldn't help myself. When I saw your name I immediately thought about the Depeche Mode song. BTW, thanks for understanding the very simple concepts I presented.

As I evolve, inside this man made system, the only thing I fear is the lack of options. It's very important to create options for yourself so that you can detach yourself from others trying to control you. Religious people are like parasites. They leap on you at your weakest point(when you have nowhere else to turn, no options). Unfortunately, in order to create options for yourself you have to play the game inside this man made system.



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