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You got a problem with God?

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posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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OP promised us in the first post that he would remain silent throughout the thread- unfortunately he has done the polar opposite to that- replying to each and every post..well, the ones that go against his opinion.

The whole thread is just a calculated attempt at bashing anyone that doesn't agree with his world view ie belief in an imaginary being.




posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by lifecitizen
OP promised us in the first post that he would remain silent throughout the thread- unfortunately he has done the polar opposite to that- replying to each and every post..well, the ones that go against his opinion.

The whole thread is just a calculated attempt at bashing anyone that doesn't agree with his world view ie belief in an imaginary being.


That is a very good theory.. he indeed did ask for beliefs that conflicted with his own and then attacked people for holding them. It's almost like he was trying to herd "non believers" up into a trap so he could throw rocks at them.



Originally posted by randyvs
Constantly here on ATS,running into folk, who seem to have a big beef w/ the creator. So I'm hoping for a fair sized list here, for reference. At the same time ,
providing a space, for all your big beefs. NOTE- I will provide not one critique,
in the course of this thread. If any discussions arise so be it. All ATS rules
apply as always. So try to keep civil please. I do reserve the right to pop in
once in awhile, if I, and when I, so choose. Here's why I am choosing to remain
silent, thru most of this thread. Don't let this scare you off please.

I want not just your big beefs. I also want to know, if you just don't think he exists.
Tell me why?
If you have a different belief please do tell.
All little gripes, aches, and pains, even it's just a whaa, or anything that's going on in your life( all you believers) that you need people to pray for.A loved one in
Iraq, anyone who is sick,or what have you.Anything. I just want real, and unselfish reasons for myself to pray for. This will hopfully help us to kNOW
one another better. My biggest intention for this thread.So if you clicked and read all this, I encourage you to participate.


Yes as you can see actually ASKED for people's complaints about "god" and encourages us to participate. Lets see how that worked out going by his last few responses.




www.abovetopsecret.com...Originally posted by randyvs
Can't you keep anything straight? I said nothing about new things, discovery
or science. I said you and yours and they are BORING.
Live a GOOD life through the evil straw man satan. Make up my mind will you.
Your life is an oxyMORON at best.
Where is your science for this

Live a good life through SATAN you are a joke .
You will never learn no matter how many times your azz is handed to you.
Total Hypocrite.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by randyvs]


As you can see they are cheering eachother on in their atheist/non judeo-christian bashing:


Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by dodadoom
 





Good thread Randy!

There isn't anything I can think of to add to that great post.
Did you see where Dawgins claims to have "evaluated everything"
These people must be desperate fpr anything to believe other than the Gospel. I laugh and vomit and in the end feel sorry for them. Crazy.

dodadoom
I just used the ignore button.

He politely asked for views/complaints against god in the OP.. but that was clearly just a trap to lure atheists .. or (ahem) "these people" to attack them as on page 14 he is calling anyone who doesn't believe in the gospel desperate and says we make him laugh and vomit? Yes thats open minded and tolerant.


And this is his reponse when someone dared to ask him what the conspiracy was.. but even though it is meant to be a conspiracy forum he replied with this:


Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Jadette
 


Is this your forum? I don't really see it getting removed, must be ok. Sorry if you had a bad experience and God was on my side.
*





Try creator, his henchmen and his followers.. Watch this for starters:

Pathetic.
what else do you expect from people who know nothing unless they are
absolutely over baring and arogent.
Their boastful attitudes screaming (over the top of what ever they said)
I know everthing so loud that it turns my stomach.
These are your example. Not worth vomit.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by randyvs]


So Moderators.. what gives??*
This guy has been abusing people for SEVERAL PAGES now and he has NOT mentioned any conspiracy and he's made it very clear that the point of this thread was to challenge atheists to a boxing match. He makes a quip about this thread not being removed because god was on his side even though this thread was meant to be about asking atheists why they don't believe in god and he assured us that it was meant to be a civil discussion..

"NOTE- I will provide not one critique," he says.


I feel like we've all been sucker punched.


[edit on 10-11-2009 by riley]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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double post.

[edit on 9-11-2009 by riley]



posted on Nov, 9 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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[edit on 10-11-2009 by lifecitizen]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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reply to post by lifecitizen
 




OP promised us in the first post that he would remain silent throughout the thread- unfortunately he has done the polar opposite to that- replying to each and every post..well, the ones that go against his opinion

So, are you making an anouncment here, or just an off the wall, untrue
statement?
I just don't get it.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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I think what he is getting at is the obvious nature of how much of a hypocrite you are. An unintelligent hypocrite that intentionally set out to do nothing more than attack those who don't believe in your personal invisible pretend friend.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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Ok what ever you say.You win. You are a legend in your mind.
I just can't handle being insulted by you anymore. It hurts my feeling so much.You are a hypocite. No you are . Oh no I said it first so you are.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

You are obsessed dude.

Go do something with yourself man. gees

[edit on 10-11-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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You are obsessed dude.


Again, this coming from someone who claimed they were putting me on ignore.


Seems your a tad bit more obsessed with what I'm going to say next.
I'm flattered!



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Ya I wish I had room for one more obsessed atheist but all filled up.
You would be flattered, simple things for simple minds.Are we going to carry on some more.
Make that one more obsessed atheist who believes in the devil.


Oh but not God because that will compromise my tendencies.
Anyways carry on I'm not gonna be a part of this childish crap anymore.
It was fun for maybe 10mins. Thank you mods for putting up with this.
Later Sinex

[edit on 10-11-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Ya I wish I had room for one more obsessed atheist but all filled up.


Yea, when your filled with BS, it's kind of hard to take in someone who is telling the truth for once.



You would be flattered, simple things for simple minds.


Excellent! Your finally coming to terms with being a simple thing yourself! I suppose I'm doing my job after all.



Are we going to carry on some more.


As soon as your ready to stop being a hypocrite, sure.



Make that one more obsessed atheist who believes in the devil.


No, more like defending a fictional character from a fiction book where the main character *GOD*, rapes, allows rape, kills children, commits genocides, threatens future genocide, allows slavery and stoning, allows petty wars in it's name. Think of what I say on the matter as any other normal book report.



Oh but not God because that will compromise my tendencies.


Gee, if you truly believed in God then half the crap spouting your doing wouldn't happen to begin with. I don't know how you interpret the good book, but I'm pretty sure half the garbage you spew isn't allowed by the almighty. Or are you one of those few who'll just live life to the fullest and repent later?



Anyways carry on I'm not gonna be a part of this childish crap anymore.


Hypocrite, you purposefully instigated this childish crap.



It was fun for maybe 10mins.


What? Not enough of your people decided to join in with your atheist bashing?


Thank you mods for putting up with this.


I'm sure they're welcome.



Later Sinex


Gee, man have I heard that one before. Hopefully you won't forget to put me on ignore this time.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by sirnex]

[edit on 10-11-2009 by sirnex]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by lifecitizen
 




OP promised us in the first post that he would remain silent throughout the thread- unfortunately he has done the polar opposite to that- replying to each and every post..well, the ones that go against his opinion

So, are you making an anouncment here, or just an off the wall, untrue
statement?
I just don't get it.


Here's the part from the OP where you said you would remain silent.

Here's why I am choosing to remain silent, thru most of this thread.

Then you posted 39 times throughout the thread



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by sirnex
 


Ya I wish I had room for one more obsessed atheist but all filled up.
You would be flattered, simple things for simple minds.Are we going to carry on some more.
Make that one more obsessed atheist who believes in the devil.


Oh but not God because that will compromise my tendencies.
Anyways carry on I'm not gonna be a part of this childish crap anymore.
It was fun for maybe 10mins. Thank you mods for putting up with this.
Later Sinex

[edit on 10-11-2009 by randyvs]


You're unbelievable, I'm embarrassed for you.

You started this childish crap.

Though I wouldn't expect anything less from someone that believes in god- to be the so hypocritical- it's part of the parcel- where you have religion, you have hypocrisy.



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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You don't have room for another obsessed atheist, what about an upset believer?

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but you are going about it all wrong. You're making an *$& out of yourself in the process.

In my opinion, you asked for what you got and now you are angry about it? Pick your battles..

There will always be people that have a thing against god.

They where presented the alternative, denied its validity and then convinced themselves there is no god. We on the other hand where presented with the idea and found it true. They have made their choice, we have made ours.

If they find god sometime in their lives than I am happy for them. I try to give them guidance that leads them to that path, but forcing them to accept it is not the christian way nor is it the right way. Insulting them back is just immature and puts you at their level.

This thread has served no purpose except to provide ammunition against the cause. Perhaps if you had chosen your words more carefully or given the thread a different title, people would have responded in a much more positive way.

I might agree with you, but I don't agree with your methods.

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On a further note:

I noticed that you made no real effort to provide a logical argument for your idea of god. You have been bombarded by ever possible atheistic explanation for the lack there of and instead of standing up for what you beleive in you just got angry. Now you are at your wits end. Perhaps you can learn from this experience.

I personally would not have backed down so easily and I would have phrased my responses better.

[edit on 10-11-2009 by DaMod]



posted on Nov, 10 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by lifecitizen
 




OP promised us in the first post that he would remain silent throughout the thread- unfortunately he has done the polar opposite to that- replying to each and every post..well, the ones that go against his opinion

So, are you making an anouncment here, or just an off the wall, untrue
statement?
I just don't get it.


Here's the part from the OP where you said you would remain silent.

Here's why I am choosing to remain silent, thru most of this thread.

Then you posted 39 times throughout the thread

He also says

NOTE- I will provide not one critique,

I thought abuse was the same as critiqueing.


I personally do not have a gripe with people who believe in god.. it's how they percieve the universe. What I am sick of is people who believe presuming they are more moral than I am just because they believe.

Superior morality is not something that is purchased through reading a bible as loud as you can so everyone in earshot can hear you.. that has nothing to do with morality. Thats just postering and all it tells us is you like religion and the idea of god. Why don't these posers go do charity work with the poor, sick or disabled like Jesus is meant to have done?

They probably don't want to be anywhere near them. Reading about what Jesus said would be easy.. actually following his example and instructions would mean hanging out with those kinds of people he helped. It's far easier to pick fights with atheists on the internet.


[edit on 11-11-2009 by riley]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Many people's perceptions of a God must be completely wrong. I can't see how an all-powerful, all-knowing being could do things the way he appears to be doing them. Christians claim this is because he has a plan and what-not, and we puny humans cannot comprehend his "mysterious ways". I think that is bull#. If God is loving and kind and generous and all that great stuff, why is the world in the crapper? Why have I in the past prayed as I was taught to, and nothing happened? Why do I see other people doing the same thing? God never appears to answer one single prayer. Ever. And yet the Bible claims that He will. Nothing that happens these days is ever anything like the supernatural events that occured in the Bible. No fire from heaven consuming the sacrifice. No talking donkeys. No glowing angels appearing to people and telling them the way. No vast seas being parted to make way for a troubled nation to cross over safely. And yet the Bible is too old to be strictly proven false or true. It was too long ago. I show more love for my pet cat, and vice versa, than God does for me. Unless inherently useful things like existing, waking up, breathing, etc. are considered "God's love". If that is the extent of God's love, then no wonder the world is in chaos. My whole point is that God must be a very powerful being that set things in motion and sat back to watch. He wouldn't be a loving, generous being. He would be more like an extremely powerful scientist performing a huge experiment. The only other explanations are: A) He doesn't exist, B) He at some point in time became incompetent and can't be God anymore, C) He just doesn't care, or D) B & C. I'm going with my first choice. He is an experimentor/scientist.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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You want to know what my big beef is? The one I have held since I was one year old when I become cognizant if who I was? It's that 'it' wanted to destroy me, the 'malevolent creature' wanted to give me another 'chance', and the 'benevolent creature' agreed. So, I was given a choice of the life I would live, I was told to 'choose', and I chose. So, I've been stuck here, in this universe where there is no 'power', in this life I would lead, with memories of that incident not properly locked away, knowing that this life will make me or break me.... literally, and I still don't have a clue as to what I am suppose to do to avoid my complete, total, and utter destruction. I wasn't told what my original 'sin' was, so there's no way to fix the situation here. In that way I was given a deck stacked against me, and I hate the creature we mistakenly refer to as 'god' for that.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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I must ask what you are talking about?

Please explain.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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You got a problem with God?

Nope, I don't. Thanks for asking Randy!
He's saved my life many times already and blessed me with an awesome
family, as well as giving me all my heart desires. (within reason of course)

How many can say that. Of course I will praise him.
We are the ones polluting and destroying ourselves and our only home.
Don't blame him for our evil ways.
He is waiting for us to get a clue!

We don't deserve to be saved if we dont take some responsibility!
He could just start over ya know....

And then just make a bunch of dumb robots.
On second thought, he doesnt have too.
We are brain dead to him already.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Here let me try to help.


I was told to 'choose', and I chose.

So you chose your life AND you chose to come here, why is that his fault again?
YOU are the one who chose it!


So, I've been stuck here, in this universe where there is no 'power', in this life I would lead, with memories of that incident not properly locked away, knowing that this life will make me or break me.... literally, and I still don't have a clue as to what I am suppose to do to avoid my complete, total, and utter destruction. I wasn't told what my original 'sin' was, so there's no way to fix the situation here. In that way I was given a deck stacked against me, and I hate the creature we mistakenly refer to as 'god' for that.

You actually hate this 'creature' because YOU can't or won't ask why
you are here? You know how crazy that sounds right?

Maybe you should concenrate on the here and now a little more.
We are all here to learn, why is that not enough of an answer?
Maybe you just need to learn the bad side like the rest of us.
It helps when trying to avoid it when you know what it is!
Hope that helps some. Take care!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Many people's perceptions of a God must be completely wrong. I can't see how an all-powerful, all-knowing being could do things the way he appears to be doing them. Christians claim this is because he has a plan and what-not, and we puny humans cannot comprehend his "mysterious ways". I think that is bull#. If God is loving and kind and generous and all that great stuff, why is the world in the crapper? Why have I in the past prayed as I was taught to, and nothing happened? Why do I see other people doing the same thing? God never appears to answer one single prayer. Ever. And yet the Bible claims that He will. Nothing that happens these days is ever anything like the supernatural events that occured in the Bible. No fire from heaven consuming the sacrifice. No talking donkeys. No glowing angels appearing to people and telling them the way. No vast seas being parted to make way for a troubled nation to cross over safely. And yet the Bible is too old to be strictly proven false or true. It was too long ago. I show more love for my pet cat, and vice versa, than God does for me. Unless inherently useful things like existing, waking up, breathing, etc. are considered "God's love". If that is the extent of God's love, then no wonder the world is in chaos. My whole point is that God must be a very powerful being that set things in motion and sat back to watch. He wouldn't be a loving, generous being. He would be more like an extremely powerful scientist performing a huge experiment. The only other explanations are: A) He doesn't exist, B) He at some point in time became incompetent and can't be God anymore, C) He just doesn't care, or D) B & C. I'm going with my first choice. He is an experimentor/scientist.

It seems you have understood the exact purpose of this thread.
BRAVO


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