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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 10:18 PM by Welfhard
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Why would you assume that you know the creator, or that you speak on behalf of it?

People don't have a beef with "the creator" - people don't have beefs with things they don't believe - instead they have a beef with religion and religious thought.

As for why I don't believe. I posted this in another thread...

I certainly think it's possible that God could exist, I concede that point, but looking around the world, looking at our evolution, looking at our history and how religious thought has done nothing but hold us back, the only way that I can reconcile the idea that god exists with reality is that it plainly doesn't care about us. And even if god did exist, it's incredibly arrogant and narcissistic to presume that we are its special little creation that it will nurture and guide into sentience.

First we presumed the earth was flat. We were wrong.
We presumed the universe stretched as far as we could see. We were wrong.
We presumed the Earth was the centre of the universe. We were wrong.
We presumed life was always as it is now.
We presumed the continents were fixed.
We presumed Earth was the only planet.
We presumed the galactic bodies and the size of the universe were fixed.

Today many still presume that God or gods exist as well as spirits and the afterlife but most significantly that we are the most significant thing there is. Why?

Life has been here on Earth for 4.5 billion years yet we appeared and prospered in the last 100 million years. This earth isn't designed for us, evolution instead designed us for it.

Why presume that we are special just because we can think better than anything that we have discovered? Our intelligence seems more like one of those occasional freakish attributes that nature tries out and scraps when it all goes horribly wrong.



I also have a beef with the idea of prayer. The people who believe there is a divine plan and the god knows everything are the same people who pray to god as if that'll change anything. Sending in requests and conveniently forgetting about the divine plan or telling god you love him as if he doesn't already know, or telling him he's good as if he doesn't already know. If god exists and is the caring and knowledgeable god you say it is prayer becomes a pointless exercise. Get off your knees and actually do something.

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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 10:28 PM by randyvs
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well how is it you assume i assume such a thing?
if you will please?





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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 10:36 PM by Welfhard
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Well firstly you say.
Constantly here on ATS,running into folk, who seem to have a big beef w/ the creator.
You say this as an absolute statement, one that instantly makes me ask "What creator?" or "The creator of what?" If I assume you mean a god, which you clearly do, then it's clear you are presuming the supposed god of your religion, which I'm figuring is Christianity.

You don't say "big beef w/ a creator." or "people who believe in a creator." or "the belief in a creator", etc. You just assume there is one.

You also say you will pray to this creator, making the assumption that it will listen.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 10:36 PM by randyvs
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all i can say is great avatar.

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and some what of a second line.

welfhard

Well firstly you say.
ok. thank you for posting.

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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 11:04 PM by Welfhard
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How would people know that religion is so stupid if we didn't remind them?

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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 11:05 PM by Miraj
reply to post by randyvs


Ultimately it was this quote that sums it up how I feel.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts

I've found a beauty in embracing my own ignorance, and admitting that there is no evidence.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 11:17 PM by Republican08
I have more beef with god, then fifty with fat joe!

lol.

Well i've compiled quite the list. Here it is.


So um, I thought it'd be too long to type. I feel carpal tunnel coming on, too much texting to much typing, too much girls.

Never enough beer.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 11:29 PM by SeeingBlue
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God has so many definitions. As a matter of fact, I would dare to say around 7 billion or so. Creator is a different story, I think everyone can more similarly relate to this word and I would have to say that there is a 100% chance of a creators existence. Now whether that is me, or another force outside of myself is not known but I seriously doubt the last one.

I think God exist. I believe our challenge is to perceive it, instead of search for it.

With that said, it isn't the creator that people have an issue with or even discuss all the time. It's our individual definition of the word itself, God, those it's said many different ways.

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