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Battle Brewing Over Command Authority!

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posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Battle Brewing Over Command Authority!


www.govexec.com

A Pentagon proposal to give the federal government greater authority to mobilize and command Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps Reserve units during domestic disasters and emergencies is on a collision course with National Guard boosters on Capitol Hill who favor giving governors tactical control over those federal military forces and Guard troops.

The proposal was drafted as a possible amendment to the fiscal 2010 defense authorization bill. It would empower the Defense secretary to call federal Reserve forces to active duty for disaster response.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
thehill.com

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S
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Pentagon, Governors Face Off Over Military Reserve




posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Governors Seek To Check Pentagon’s Authority;
Battle Brewing Over Command Authority

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” – Thomas Jefferson

Current law prohibits Pentagon deployment of Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps Reserve units during domestic disasters and emergencies, for good reason. The States are rightly concerned!


Under the Pentagon's proposal, federal reservists -- as opposed to National Guard personnel who are ordinarily under state control -- would operate at the direction of the president. That is a major sticking point for governors and Guard supporters, who prefer to have governors direct all military forces in their states during emergencies.


The Pentagon is seeking additional super powers to give to
The President.

Still this is being played quiet by the MSM...As the Pentagon is before Congress requesting 400,000 additional military posts here in the U.S.


Governors are urging the Senate Armed Services Committee to not expand the Defense secretary's authority in the event of domestic disasters.

The Governors letter comes in response to the Pentagon’s request to Congress to grant the secretary of Defense the authority to order reserve forces to active duty to assist in disaster response as part of conference negotiations over the 2010 defense authorization bill. The House and Senate are in the process of reconciling their bills.


www.govexec.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 20-8-2009 by burntheships]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Hmmm...who is interpreting the Constitution...and to what end...



To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions
www.barefootsworld.net...

57 A militia was provided for in Articles of Confederation (Art. VI, sec.4), each State being required to keep up a body of disciplined men "sufficiently armed and accoutered." The State was forbidden to keep "any body of Forces" in time of peace, unless Congress should deem it necessary as a garrison.

Under our Constitution each State maintains a militia, some of the States having bodies of the highest class in discipline and equipment. By act of Congress the methods of training are uniform, so that when bodies from different States are brought together they work as one.

The Nation may call out the militia of the State for three purposes only; (1) to execute the laws of the Union (the Constitution, the Acts of Congress, and the treaties); (2) to suppress insurrections (the open and active opposition of a number of persons to the execution of law); and (3) to repel invasions, that is, the entrance of an enemy for war. Congress has authorized the President to make those calls.

It is noticeable that the militia is not in the power of the President, and that the authority of Congress over it is limited to three purposes. Here, again, both the President and the Congress are prevented from achieving an armed dictatorship.

To provide for organizing, arming, disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; 58

58 Under this clause Congress has from the beginning provided for the training and maintenance of the militia. The National Defense Act of 1916 revised and extended preceding legislation. There are a National Guard, a Naval and an Unorganized Militia. For the purpose of maintaining appropriate organizations and to assist in instruction and training the President is authorized to assign the National Guard of the State to divisions, brigades, and other tactical units and to detail officers from either the National Guard or the regular Army to command such units.

The watchfulness of the people over State authority and their fear of the encroachment of National power are exhibited again in the provision that the militia must be officered by appointees of the State. Of such a military body the State would have no fear. Besides, officials of the State would be better informed as to who would be competent as officers. It was once a threatening question whether militia in the service of the United States could be commanded by any but militia officers and the President; but any officer under the commander in chief (the President) outranking the militia officer may command.

The Articles of Confederation provided (Art. IX, sec.4) that the Nation should appoint "all officers of the land forces in the service of the United States, excepting regimental officers." The clause in our Constitution was probably intended to restate that idea.

Hamilton said that the powers granted in this clause are naturally incident to the "common defense" of the Nation.


[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Indeed! Great links & post! We can find defense even amongst our advesaries. From the New York Times, for those who cant stomach something that is not MSM...


The Posse Comitatus Act makes it a crime to use the Army or Air Force as a domestic police force in most circumstances.

The law, which was enacted in 1878, was intended to end the use of federal troops to supervise elections in the former Confederate states. More generally, though, it reflected an uneasiness with a military role in domestic law enforcement, and a philosophical commitment to subordinating military power to civilian authority.

''Posse comitatus,'' literally ''the force of the county,'' means a body of citizens called together to suppress riots, pursue felons or otherwise help enforce the laws. The American frontier term ''posse'' is a shortened form of the phrase. In early American history and in the Old West, sheriffs and other law enforcement officers would often round up able-bodied men -- civilians and military personnel -- to capture criminals and otherwise enforce the law.


www.nytimes.com...



[edit on 20-8-2009 by burntheships]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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Does the Congress even read the Constitution before swearing their lives to uphold it anymore???

I think not... :shk: ...and if so...what "version" are they looking at...
...Obama studied the Constitution??? Really???

I know of only one...up to the 12th Amendment...anything after is a subverted Corporate Manifesto of Maritime/Roman Law...

We are not "Straw Men/Women"...property of the Corporation of the District of Columbia...


When the Original 13th Amendment was usurped during the Civil War and quietly replaced with this abomination...(which I seem to have to post everywhere now...BAD ME...)...

The Original Thirteenth Amendment
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.usavsus.info...

US continues to be in a permanent state of national emergency since March 9, 1933, and possibly as far back as the Civil War
--Senate report 93-549 (1973)

On April 15, 1861,
President Lincoln reconvened Congress under the Executive branch by proclamation (number 1): "I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress."

Ceasar (President) is now in full control even over the Senate (Congress).

This was the end...Lincoln was to repeal this when the war ended, but, was conveniently killed before taking action...Hmmm...


[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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They dont. Yes, I am not impressed so far with President Obama's knowledge of the Constitution. At least not the real 13th. Maybe he studied up on Roman/Corporatist law. Ron Paul, a champion of the Constitution...he does, he is a noble one.
From your link...

The Original Thirteenth Amendment

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.usavsus.info...

The Founders held an intense disdain and distrust of "Nobility" as a result of a long history, during Colonial times, of abuses and excesses against the Rights of Man and the established Common Law and Constitutions by the "Nobility", and therefore placed in the new Constitution two injunctions against acceptance of Titles of Nobility or Honor or emoluments from external sources


Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obaintonsh! All related. Indeed, the Roman Rule is still at large in the U.S!


[edit on 20-8-2009 by burntheships]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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reply to post by burntheships
 
According to the English Law of time past...

Nobility/Lawyers/Esquires...are just one step below Knighthood...

Go figure why our forefathers would include such a inclusion in our Constitution... :shk:

And we wonder why Corporatism/Lobbing has run wild in the "New Roman Empire".............

Hail Caesar!!!

All will be assimilated...resistance is futile...you will become one with the Caesar!!!

[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963

According to the English Law of time past...

Lawyers/Esquires...are just one step below Knighthood...



For good reason you and I both know...Lawyers study the Magna Carta...


As English men and women, the American colonists were heirs to the thirteenth-century English document, the Magna Carta (details below), which established the principles that no one is above the law (not even the King), and that no one can take away certain rights. So in 1763, when the King began to assert his authority over the colonies to make them share the cost of the Seven Years' War England had just fought and won, the English colonists protested by invoking their rights as free men and loyal subjects. It was only after a decade of repeated efforts on the part of the colonists to defend their rights that they resorted to armed conflict and, eventually, to the unthinkable–separation from the motherland.[/urlex]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Hail to the King.........

I am ready to serve



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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reply to post by Cloudsinthesky
 


Roll up thy sleeve thou peasant commoner!
Take unto thyself the adjuvant squalene!



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Cloudsinthesky
 
Roll up thy sleeve thou peasant commoner!
Take unto thyself the adjuvant squalene!

What the Sam Hell is a "adjuvant squalene" anyways???

Sound like Nuclear Waste Residue...


Just trying to pronounce such a "Phrase" sends my tongue into "Hissy Fits"


[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Im not well versed on martial law so if someone could help me on this one.
I just had a thought, what would happen to the civilian cops if martial law was declared? I mean I am sure that the military police would not need nor want them around they would get in the way right?



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Some great information and posts here in this thread my compliments to all contributing.

The Military Industrial Complex is clearly ready to merge and join with the Security Industrial Complex and Prison Industrial Complex and dare I say one more soon to be added Medical Industrial Complex to unify them all in to a central, all powerful, all invasive, all controlling mechanism for running the American State.

How funny we would send no more than 150,000 men to conquer Iraq, and no more than 60,000 men to conquer Afghanistan yet want 400,000 men to conquer the United States?

Make no mistake about it, these 400,000 men would be used to conquer the United States.

Quietly and with as little fanfare as possible the Military Industrial Complex goes before congress to basically authorize a Military dictatorship that does not simply stop at 400,000 boots but includes some of the most sophisticated forms of scientific warfare that bolster these troops. Mind control weapons, Electronic Warfare Weapons, Cyber Weapons, Psychological Warfare capabilities all come along with those 400,000 boots at no extra cost to the budget, just your freedoms and liberties.

Congress is being asked to declare war on the United States of America and based on how the United States of America has treated Congress this past month in town halls, and in the past 2 years with abysmal approval ratings, there is an excellent chance Congress will do just that and authorize these troops.

We are on the verge of falling under a military dictatorship...

I know what you are thinking...I am excited too, lots of black market opportunities there to make a buck!

Hail Caesar!

All are about to be assimilated...well except for me of course.

I'm a problem child!



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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Yes you are on the spot. This is what "they" have planned!

www.examiner.com

The Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security recently notified law enforcement agencies and associations, such as the National Association of Chiefs of Police, about the Obama Administration's interest in using the military during "emergencies."
Government officials reported that the Department of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency Administrator W. Craig Fugate met with the Commander of the US Northern Command, General Gene Renuart


[edit on 20-8-2009 by burntheships]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Yes, but this presents a conflict.
If our elected representatives refuse to support our wishes and decide to pass laws, such as this but others also, the National Guard CAN be called upon to enforce those laws.

For instance, the Congress says that anyone who is a Republican is a terrorist and shall be thrown in jail. Well, the 'militia' can be called in to make sure that happens.
Militia being National Guard. State Regulated Military Force.

This is a power that can literally be taken from the states.

We'll see where this goes.
S&F



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Yes President Obama studied the constitution. As you know, he headed the Board of the Harvard Constitutional Law Review.
He is a lawyer.

This is why the Founding Fathers(TM) forbade lawyers to hold the office of President initially.
Guess what though, lawyers found a way around that.

And here we are.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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Congress is being asked to declare war on the United States of America and based on how the United States of America has treated Congress this past month in town halls, and in the past 2 years with abysmal approval ratings, there is an excellent chance Congress will do just that and authorize these troops.


I agree completely and this is WHY you see idiots at protests with assault rifles slung. This is being hyped up and they are riding it. They are using it.

Senior Senators are begining to "shout down" their own constituents.
This is an act.
This is problem-reaction-solution in action and... well...
God Help Us.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Nope...

The Constitution doesn't work THAT way...

Is the Corporate District of Columbia going to declare war on the populace of "These United States"...

Remember...a "Declaration of War" or "Insurrection" on the CONSTITUTION of "These United States" by Foreign combatants...

[edit on 8/20/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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www.who.int...


Squalene is commercially extracted from fish oil, and in particular shark liver oil. Squalene used in pharmaceutical products and vaccines is purified from this source.


www.who.int...


Adjuvants are added to many vaccines to increase their immunogenicity and efficacy. Aluminium salts (alum) have been widely used as adjuvants and are generally considered safe.



Aluminium salts however have their limitations in terms of adjuvant effect, and a wide range of novel adjuvants are now being evaluated for use in new or improved vaccines. These adjuvants include immunostimulators, microparticulate carriers and emulsions as well as various combinations of these.



Human sweat itself is largely odorless until it is fermented by bacteria. So aluminium salt is used in deodorant to kill the bacteria.

Microparticulate carriers are proteins. They find protein that a certain part of the body uses then they pump it full of there drug in the hope it goes directly to that part of the body.

Immunostimulators could be anything that produces a immune response including the live flu itself. As in Baxter ships live bird flu in there vaccine.

Emulsions is usually soybean oil which does not harm normal human cells nor the cells of most other higher organisms exceptions are sperm cells and blood cells, which are vulnerable to nanoemulsions due to their membrane structures. For this reason, nanoemulsions of this type are not currently used intravenously.

An emulsifier (also known as an emulgent) is a substance which stabilizes an emulsion, frequently a surfactant. Examples of food emulsifiers are egg yolk.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by JBA2848]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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You would see the actual troops take up a command role and the Police would fall under Federal Authority.

The Police would become the "shock troops".







 
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