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A Little Help For Men Trying To Understand Women!

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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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(men...)

out of akvavit?

back on topic - SD - I'm sure your mother is a lovely person

I've never had a mother in law myself - so can't say from personal experience

but there is something that happens

have seen it over and over...with family and friends

so, I think Greenize makes a valid point

not with your mom, of course

:-)




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by Phenomium

Look them up. They are all legit. Certainly you can understand some.....as to why I cock an eyebrow and take this so serious. These are the leaders of feminism. Again, I will say, women are fine...but this breed of woman clearly must be stopped.


I looked at them and I don't agree with any of them. But they are simply opinions like yours and mine, and none of them are relevant to this thread.

Your opposition against women was broad and full of false generalizations. Only when you were called on it you changed your stance to be anti-feministic. Now you keep bringing that up.

And still, that's not what this thread is about.


However you see things or interpret things is of no value to me. I said what I said, answerring to the questions and topics in the moment, they did progress further to the point were i had to be more detailed. But as i told mystic, I made my distinctions between the "woman" part of the conversations and the "feminists" part of the conversations. The beauty of conversation is that they are alway dynamic, the conversations themselves change....although nothing in my point of view at any time changed. just the flow of conversation. It's not my fault that you and Mystic misinterpreted the dialog. This might not pertain to the inituial OP post....but for at least the last 30 or more posts is does apply. These are opinions, you are correct.....but let's not forget.....an opinion from you and I means nothing because we aren't running organizations that dictate the flow of government, life and the people living in that life. These are feminist leaders who are directing the wind of future in law and politics for all men and women that follow us.......Their opinion can be very dangerous when used in gender bias and racial context such as the quotes listed above. Now how about you and Mytic stop crowing about the same old I changed it from woman to feminists for whatever reason........it doesn't matter anyway,...I am talking about feminists now, what of it? You keep walking backwards into the future, but stop crowing to me about it. no one cares but you two. These quotes are what the topic has morphed into now..
These quotes that are from famous feminist ACTIVISTS: (do you know what an activist is????....someone who tries to activate their ideals onto mankind so as to politicize them, in this case it is in direct opposition to the very existence of man......it is all here, the hate, the threats, even hate against another race and allegations of rape within a marriage even if married and concented to by the wife)

here are the quotes again, I shall add them everytime I respond now, so the truth won't be overlooked.:

"I propose that the phenomenon of love is the psychological pivot in the persecution of women." -- Ti-Grace Atkinson in 'Radical Feminism and Love'

"The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness...can be trained to do most things." -- Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men, started by Valerie Solanas)-fittng name.


"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, prominent member of NOW

"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"The most merciful thing a family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger - founder of planned parenthood

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." -- Robin Morgan

"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."
Margaret Sanger

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon

“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” - Catharine A. MacKinnon

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -- Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto (SCUM stands for Society for Cutting Up Men)

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex." -- Valerie Solanas

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Phenomium]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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Exactly, and how very disturbing it is to get up in the middle of the night and fall into the toilet because the seat wasn't lowered!! Nothing is more shocking and blood boiling!!!


:-)

oh, please forgive me this Greenize - but I'm going to have to take up the cause for the gents on this one

I've always figured - the very same amount of thinking necessary for them to remember to put it down could just as easily be expected of us to remember to put it down

I trained myself pretty quickly on this one - out of necessity :-)

because, yes - of course you are right - falling in in the middle of the night is disturbing

very



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Phenomium
 




These are the leaders of feminism. Again, I will say, women are fine...but this breed of woman clearly must be stopped.


stopped?

from what - having an opinion?

I could go out and find some pretty hateful quotes about women - by men

but - turns out - I don't even have to look outside this thread

what's your real beef Phenomium? come on - out with it - what is your deal?

what is it the feminists are planning to do?

maybe we ALL need to be ready - and prepare


All "action" first begins with a thought.
These women are activists.....meaning they want to actuate their hate on men....and in many cases over the years they already have. I have even been a victim myself.
I have made my beef quite clear in the previous posts.
What are they planning to do? The plans were made in the 60's and 70's they have been working hard ever since. The planning phase has long been over and unless you are a MAN who has been a victim, you'll never even notice....as YOU are not the target. If a man and it hasn't been noticed? You just haven't been targeted directly YET!
I can't really exlpain to you or anyone else the reason and passion involved in dousing this fire that is radical feminism. It's almost like before Germany started the war (WW2) Hitler did all manner of horrible things in the name of the "greater good" Germany, benefitted greatly from the Jews being rounded up and thrown in camps. There were no jobs, so when the Jews were gone, there were jobs......there were no houses for many....the Jews gone....now there were houses. the German people were not told of this all they saw was the prosperity under Hitler. Of course the victims...the Jews, saw it all because they were the ones who had to live as the victims. My point is that you are asking me a question that I have been answering all throughout the forum. The reason why you can't SEE what I am telling you.......is because you don't seem to have been a victim of this radical feminism yet. Many who disagree with me here on this forum are like the German population (back there)......everything is fine from where THEY stand. When the truth actually comes out (which it is well on it's way as we speak...men are waking up now) the anger and shame will haunt those who never saw it.....although it was right in their faces the whole time. Incidently....when the German people were shown what Hitler did after the war was over....many puked and some fainted, many were quoted of their shame and some........even took their own lives. This is fact. Now I am not associating all of this with Hitler, seems like a tactic a news skeptic would use to dinigrate the character of a political opponent, but, I am merely pointing out that evil politcal ideologies try to hide what they do by wrapping themselves in a charity (in this case women's rights) and while everyone is lauding them for their great deeds for women........they are destroying men in every way they can.....and saying nothing about it.They are also brainwashing women, to hate men and to be envious of what men have gained and that women should never be proud of themselves ....unless they meet the requirements of the feminists themselves. This to me is not a woman hating thing or even a feminist hating thing. It is a human rights issue and it will ultimately harm women as well as men.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Phenomium]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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thank you Phenomium

that is exactly what I was looking for



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Phenomium
 


thank you Phenomium

that is exactly what I was looking for


You're quite welcome.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:09 PM
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I'll ask this question in this thread to see if I can't get a few more answers.

At what point can even absolute, unconditional love not be enough to keep a relationship together? I have always worked very hard, but came into some hard time monetarily and professionally, and that was enough for my girl of 5 years leave.

I guess what I'm asking is, what if everything else is perfect? Is that enough for any of you, or is it possible for you to leave it all behind to find a guy with money?

I suppose I don't mind her leaving if thats the type of person she is, but I would like to be able to trust the next girl not to leave when things get tough.

I hold no ill will over what happened, I just don't understand it, and I will continue to choose not too. I think anybody who's willing to give up such a blessing for greener pastures is an idiot. But then, I'm a hopeless romantic.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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No offense but it sounds like she was shallow! Be glad she left. Just for giggles...imagine your in a SHTF situation... would you want her there whining. Go and get yourself a simple (not simple minded) woman.One that can hunt and fish!
Money has never appealed to me, I guess because I have never had any to spare... and with a son in college I have even less...but it doesn't make me happy anyway! I am happy because I choose to be regardless of what I have in my account.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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I suppose I don't mind her leaving if thats the type of person she is, but I would like to be able to trust the next girl not to leave when things get tough.


that's the thing - isn't it? trusting the next person?

this is a really easy thing for me to just say - I realize it won't help at all probably

but not all women are in it for the money - you just found one that was


I hold no ill will over what happened...


I'm not usually big on grudges or resentment myself

but you know what? I think it's perfectly reasonable for you to be mad as hell

:-)


I think anybody who's willing to give up such a blessing for greener pastures is an idiot. But then, I'm a hopeless romantic.


you hopeless romantics - you're all doomed :-)

but I still agree - anyone who gives up real love for money is an idiot

I don't care how hard times are - it's only money

[edit on 8/24/2009 by Spiramirabilis]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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I understand what you are saying. You are right you shouldn't date if you consider it will be a total failure. There is nothing wrong with being by oneself.

I have a few rules in my life. If my life was happier before someone came into it then get that person out of my life. I'm talking everything from feeling like you have to bend over and kiss their backside to added work and stress. I don't walk on pins and needles for no one.

They get the chance to tell me three lies (size doesn't matter) then they are out also.

Watch their actions and if you don't see the actions living up to the I'm a good person b.s. they spew they're out also.

If I feel they NEED someone in their life more than WANT some one compatible to them in their life it's also adios.

What you have discribed in your life is no different for a woman out there now days. The men are just as bad. The rules have changed in one respect money comes before looks now...OMG lots of people don't know that. If you happen to have looks and money God help you. You become like hunted prey. Just as bad as being on the other end of the spectrum. They still wouldn't see you as a person or who you are.

You are right on compassion being a big must. I watch their action and see if it matches the words they use.

You are also right about people not knowing what love is. Most don't. Love and lust are confused many times. Loneliness is also confused for love when they find someone to take care of their needs financial or physical or even mentally.

I do disagree with when someone tells you they love you that you should tell them you love them back. Or love them back. What if they don't? Why would anyone want fake love or forced love..it wouldn't be love then would it?

You are right on being friends with women who knows some thing more could come of it down the road.

I haven't dated for the last 1.5 years. Tired of all the b.s that comes with dating. Ever notice when dating someone they always want to go some where that you can't get to know each other? Movies, sports games, bars, group events. If you do go out to eat with them the subjects are usually safe ones where they don't really give much up about themselves.

Control is a big part of it for people. It seems to many people want to control someone. Have power over them. Whatever happened to wanting someone that walked beside you not behind you or before you?

I've read what you want in a person I don't think you ask for to much. It seems like a relative easy bill to fill if you aren't out here in the single world. Out here in the single world the one you look for is going to be hard to find. Some day when the time is right you may just find her. If thats what you are looking for in a woman then don't settle for less.

To many settle for less now days and convince themselves they are happy every day with those fake smiles that never reach the eyes. Those are the kind of eyes that don't light up a room.

Trust will be the hardest thing to find out there. It seems half the single people are either the one that broke trust with some one or the one that trust was broken with.

My dad had a saying give a person enough rope and they'll usually hang theirself. When in doubt feed them more rope.

Give them your trust and all the rope they want. If they were the trust breaker they'll do it again if they haven't changed. If they were the one trust was broke with you'll usually get a response from it also if they carry baggage. Give the one that takes the rope and does nothing your trust.

But what do I know I'm still trying to figure out why women think a man should always pay for everything even when its her idea to do some thing. Does she think her company is that much in demand it should be always paid for by someone else even when they know the guy can't afford it all the time?

There are still some good women out there. Not like the ones you encountered. Only problem is the good women have gone into hiding just like their male counter parts.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Wow thanks guys. You know, I have moments where I want to burn down the world, but then I realize it only offers me a freedom that I didn't have before. I guess I should spend my time and really find a career that suits me, wherever in the world it may be.

I don't want to be too mean about it, because I can understand how being with someone whose income is so up and down can be stressful, but honestly, other than that, our relationship was incredible.

That's what I mourn, what I thought she was.

And all I really need is a cute, goofy, simple girl. Maybe this time I'll find one willing to listen to my insane rants about astronomy, religion, and my hate for government. I've dated mostly girls who I never really could do that with.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by SantaClaus
I'll ask this question in this thread to see if I can't get a few more answers.

At what point can even absolute, unconditional love not be enough to keep a relationship together? I have always worked very hard, but came into some hard time monetarily and professionally, and that was enough for my girl of 5 years leave.

I guess what I'm asking is, what if everything else is perfect? Is that enough for any of you, or is it possible for you to leave it all behind to find a guy with money?

I suppose I don't mind her leaving if thats the type of person she is, but I would like to be able to trust the next girl not to leave when things get tough.

I hold no ill will over what happened, I just don't understand it, and I will continue to choose not too. I think anybody who's willing to give up such a blessing for greener pastures is an idiot. But then, I'm a hopeless romantic.


I used to be a hopeless romantic myself, (some here might find that hard to believe). But just bear in mind.....there's a reason why it's called a "hopeless"....romantic. I had to learn real fast, that as a man I had to reserve my feelings for a woman no matter how strong and keep and them in check. There are good women out there (just as good men), and there are women who, if they notice you are a hopeless romantic, will use and abuse you with the callousness of a crocodile rolling his prey under water. Men, it is scientifically proven, fall in love faster than women do. We are visual. They have to get to know us on a personal level before they fall in love. We really do fall in love at first sight ......and they know this. It is hard, but i personally, would do my best to forget about your ex, and move on trying not to wear your emotions on your sleeve so much next time. Get some books on women........that is books by MEN who know the secrets. Don't read the books by the women written for men....because they don't know what it is to be a man, we are just as much an enigma to them as they are to us so their books are speculation at best...they can only give advice that will benefit women. Don't take your ex back no matter what you do...the reason, is because that is saying what she did is ok and you will forgive her no matter what she does. Forgiveness is great.........forgive her...but that doesn't mean you have to be stupid and take her back. She will just use you again. Anyone who would leave that fast after 5 years because of a hardship...was never there for you anyway. Fairweather friends will only remain with you when the weather is fair. There's better out there for you. Just be a secret and always keep your woman wondering....and she will never leave. Be a puzzle that she can never solve, she won't leave. Only when a man is conquerable are they easy to leave. Trust me man, you are definately not alon on this one...the key is to learn from this so it doesn't happen so easily again next time. You must be more in control of your emotions and feelings and not show too much of either to a woman. It's a game where you lose from ignorance or win with knowledge from knowing your prey. Like deer hunting, the more you know the deer the more you are in control of the situation. ...I hear it already...OK women are not prey it was a figure of speech.......women don't need to be controlled...again, a painted picture to represent an idea...and any other offence was not intended whew!

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Phenomium]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Very honest and thought provoking post!!

I think that some people settle out of necessity and comfort. Its not that they are bad people...perhaps they feel they have no other choice. Perhaps they worry about all of the people that would be hurt if did something different...



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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You do need to find someone that you feel comfortable discussing your interests with, no matter what those interests are. And if she is worth her salt she will listen and at least act interested!




posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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I have read all the posts- and I'll just say this:

It's just not worth it. It's not worth the hate, the mistrust, the baiting, the games, the deception, the pain, suffering, and the forced loneliness.

It wont be a long life, but it'll sure as hell be a lonely one.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:35 PM
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Well said, now you can go and wipe the sweat from your brow!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by wylekat
I have read all the posts- and I'll just say this:

It's just not worth it. It's not worth the hate, the mistrust, the baiting, the games, the deception, the pain, suffering, and the forced loneliness.

It wont be a long life, but it'll sure as hell be a lonely one.


LOL....don't do it man.....you have everything to live for....don't jump!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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There you are! Welcome back!

Stop being so hard on yourself really! From what I gather, your artistic, your witty, you like to laugh...then what you need to do is let it go...as I said before, let happiness find you. Admit that your worthy of love and happiness and for petes sake think positive thoughts! I think maybe you suffer a bit from depression. Not trying to be a smarta** but I have battled it my whole life...I do not take meds...I have learned to control it rather than let it control me. You have friends, rather you believe that or not! You do!



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Dear Santa, (sorry I couldn't help myself been a long time since I've wrote that)

Apparently her unconditional love applied to material assets as well. She wanted the whole package. First you have to figure out what the person loves most about you. You or your money and lifestyle.

Lack of money or threat of lack of money has a tendency to bring fear to those that are afraid they may find themselves without. No offense to your ex lady but she must not consider herself to be able to help keep you both from going homeless and hungry and can't find it in herself to give up the extras. Since she also took off on you when the going wasn't good in the money aspect of the relationship I would also say besides being materialistic she was also self centered.

Your right to hold no ill will against her. What goes around comes around..don't you just love it when it does also lol. Your ex lady probably banks on her looks to land the next fella. Guess what! Looks fade as fast as the first rose of summer.

May I suggest when you get back on your feet again live below your means. Drive a older vehicle, don't live in the fanciest house or appartment. Don't wear high dollar clothes. You stand more of a chance finding someone thats more into you than money or possessions. If it gets to the point where you say I do then you want to move up to the bigger things it will be a surprise to her and I'm sure she won't be upset.

Never discuss your financial situtation with anyone unless you are going to say I Do. Always remember to check out their credit and debt also as once you say I do it becomes yours also. You have a right to know just how much debt your marrying into.



[edit on 24-8-2009 by napayshni57]



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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It' the times we live in Greenize. People make bad choices in life and then want someone else to pay for it.

Even if that means they offer them false feelings in exchange for comfort or paying debts incurred in a prior relationship.

People divorce now days and make the lawyers rich. They go out of the divorce so far in debt it isn't funny. They keep houses they can't afford on one persons paycheck so they hunt for another paycheck. They lost stuff to a former spouse and want it back so they look for someone that has what they want. To many today do not look for the person to spend their lifes with for the right reasons.

Our system is broke. Everything is sky high. Jobs don't always pay enough to support people so they look for someone who can help support them.

Our lifestyle is changing us from people of emotions, compassion and humanity into people that do what they have to so they can just survive.

Then we have the ones that are comsumed with greed also.

It's not a pretty world out here in singles land. I tell people don't believe what you see on tv about single people and their happening life style. If you have a good person at home keep them, love them, appreciate them. Let them know they matter to you that they are important because its an ugly world out here.

You realize you are dealing with people that have split personalities the one they show you and the one that is them. For your own sake in the singles world you have to take the time to get to know that person and see if you are seeing the real person or one of the split personality people. Your lifestyle and more importantly you life could depend on you doing this.



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