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FBI: defenders of the constitution are terrorists?

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posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by lucentenigma
reply to post by warrenb
 

"Claim driving is a right not a privilege" - IMO driving is a right. Why should it be a privilege? If it's a privilege to drive a car, where will it stop? I pay taxes that pay for roads to be built and maintained it should be my right to use those roads. As long as I do not put other peoples lives in danger (habitual DUI) it should be my right to drive not a state sanctioned privilege.
[edit on 20-8-2009 by lucentenigma]


If it's a right, you get it at birth and can't be regulated unless otherwise specified. It's a privilege because you have to prove yourself worthy to be on the road. I think everyone has the right to apply for a license, but they shouldn't have the right to drive. I definitely don't want to share the road with people who aren't qualified to drive.




posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Reverse Psychology pleasse people we need to show them that we're above this kind of simple minded garbage. We will stand no question just on the side of Christ! If we really thought that this petty government was so big our free spirits would rebel, the prison has been conquered on the cross so no one will have us labeled terrorist on our own planet.

This kind of stuff is way out of line.


Love to all



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by lucentenigma
reply to post by warrenb
 

"Claim driving is a right not a privilege" - IMO driving is a right. Why should it be a privilege? If it's a privilege to drive a car, where will it stop? I pay taxes that pay for roads to be built and maintained it should be my right to use those roads. As long as I do not put other peoples lives in danger (habitual DUI) it should be my right to drive not a state sanctioned privilege.
[edit on 20-8-2009 by lucentenigma]


If it's a right, you get it at birth and can't be regulated unless otherwise specified. It's a privilege because you have to prove yourself worthy to be on the road. I think everyone has the right to apply for a license, but they shouldn't have the right to drive. I definitely don't want to share the road with people who aren't qualified to drive.


OMG, all I can say is OMG. Are some people actually for real?
First, airplane pilots DO NOT get a license when they complete their training course, they get a certificate. There is no such thing as a "pilots license". Only Commercial Airlines have pilots "licensed".

Second, the State MAY "regulate" the USE of the roadway through signage and stripping. You would have to be a certain age and have passed a course to use the road but it would be a certificate and NOT a license. Compelling State interest would be Public Safety.

I did not renew my license 2 years ago and STILL use the road. My "status", according to the DVS certificate is "valid", why do I need a license if I am already a "valid" operator?

A license is in relation to a "corporation" or "business" contract. Are you in business on the road? Do you use your auto for commercial purposes? If not, then why would you need a license? There are tens of thousands of court cases out there where people have "proved" you do not NEED a license to use your own property. Just look up "right to travel".

Please look up the definition of property "rights". Responsibility is the key. We must all be responsible adults and not violate others rights to use the "public way".

If there is no injured party, there is no crime. Get it?

[edit on 20-8-2009 by daddio]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Oh the mind games! Look at all those hate groups, and how they are grouped with people who support the Constitution. They are obviously all on the same level of bad, right? This is blatant propaganda.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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ive said it before and ill say it again

anyone who is responsible for this crap needs to be voted out of office

everyone of these types of threads should have a list of all the elected officials involved, that way it will be a bit simpler for voters to know who needs to be voted out of office

and those who arent elected officials that are responsible for this, need to have petitions and demonstrations against them to remove them from power


anyone who thinks someone defending the constitution is a criminal should be put to death if they are a citizen of the United States of America



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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man i wish that would hold up in court, it would truly change my life for the better instantly if i was able to drive again without having to worry about being jailed, all over the inability to pay ridiculously high fines for traffic infringements



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by daddio
OMG, all I can say is OMG. Are some people actually for real?
First, airplane pilots DO NOT get a license when they complete their training course, they get a certificate. There is no such thing as a "pilots license". Only Commercial Airlines have pilots "licensed".

Second, the State MAY "regulate" the USE of the roadway through signage and stripping. You would have to be a certain age and have passed a course to use the road but it would be a certificate and NOT a license. Compelling State interest would be Public Safety.

I did not renew my license 2 years ago and STILL use the road. My "status", according to the DVS certificate is "valid", why do I need a license if I am already a "valid" operator?

A license is in relation to a "corporation" or "business" contract. Are you in business on the road? Do you use your auto for commercial purposes? If not, then why would you need a license? There are tens of thousands of court cases out there where people have "proved" you do not NEED a license to use your own property. Just look up "right to travel".

Please look up the definition of property "rights". Responsibility is the key. We must all be responsible adults and not violate others rights to use the "public way".

If there is no injured party, there is no crime. Get it?

[edit on 20-8-2009 by daddio]


So by your argument, a convicted drunken driver, who has his licence disqualified for killing a family of four, should be allowed to drive on the roads unlicensed?



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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I know I am going to catch all kinds of flack from this, but here goes:

"Defenders" of the constitution probably ARE terrorists (unjustifiably making us fearful that we will lose our right). HOWEVER, to "live" the Constitution is much different.

EXAMPLE:

If I walk around exhibiting my right to bare arms by carrying one on my hip, then I am living the constitution. If I am crying foul and making statements like "If they take away my right to bare arms then _____ (insert a threat/act of violencte/etc.)" then I'm defending the constitution. ****This is my personal opinion****

Just my 2-cents

Don't defend it. Just live it!

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Aggie Man]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dramey
ive said it before and ill say it again

anyone who is responsible for this crap needs to be voted out of office

everyone of these types of threads should have a list of all the elected officials involved, that way it will be a bit simpler for voters to know who needs to be voted out of office

and those who arent elected officials that are responsible for this, need to have petitions and demonstrations against them to remove them from power


anyone who thinks someone defending the constitution is a criminal should be put to death if they are a citizen of the United States of America


So in your eyes, was Timothy McVeigh "defending the constitution", as you put it?



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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They quote it, meaning that it's how the terrorists view it when the fbi doesn't think they are.

Yes, not everyone who claims to be defending the constitution is a terrorist. However, there is a small minority who claim this and who are terrorists training for war. However, that title is not right and offensive.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb






I could often times be considered a "Lone Individual". Does this mean the FBI considers me a single-issue terrorist?

Are they that serious about enforcing the buddy system?


[edit on 8/20/2009 by nasdack24k]

[edit on 8/20/2009 by nasdack24k]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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Great find Warrenb.

Great news the people have been the enemy since the counter culture hippie days.

Evidently someone told them there are more of us than are of them!

Math, it's not just for smart people you know!

It's why they keep growing the government, they kind of dream of the day everyone works for the government...I think they call that communism!

Some people call it working for General Motors!

Now they have a set of rules, it's for you to make sure you can't win!

This is why I threw away the rules!

Political correctness = bad
Main Stream Media = bad
Government = bad

Outback Steakhouse no rules just right = good
Pirates = good
Rock n Roll outlaws and rebels = good

Quiz tomorrow at 9:00 AM!

Practice saying politically incorrect things!

You can do it, I know you can!



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by nasdack24k
I could often times be considered a "Lone Individual". Does this mean the FBI considers me a single-issue terrorist?

Are they that serious about enforcing the buddy system?


Well, that's the Catch-22. If you aren't a "Lone Individual" and have a buddy then that makes you a "Terrorist Group", kind of like how most Cities say that if more than two individuals are walking down the street together they are officially a "Gang" according to Municipal Law. Yup, so I guess a man, woman and their child are committing acts of "Gang Violence" when they go to the Park or the Store.

Well, I was a little surprised to not see members of Secret Societies listed there. I guess that means I'm safe for the time being.


I requested my FBI File back in the early 1990's. It was 15 pages with the majority of it redacted. After I got a passport in this century, I requested it again back after 9/11 and it was over 50 pages with the majority of it redacted. After comparing mine with the FBI Files of some of my friends we determined the applying for a passport is what makes your FBI File jump up to so many pages so suddenly. So, just so you know...if you have a passport then you will have to pay a Copy Fee as the number of pages will be over the cut-off.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by fraterormus
I requested my FBI File back in the early 1990's.


Can we request this from the Secret Service too? I know I have one, as I had the privilege of meeting Bush 41 while at A&M (part of my presidential politics course just before the unveiling of his library) in '96. I would love to see what kind of "dirt" they have on me.

Oh my, would I love to tell you some of the "off the record" things he frankly discussed with our group after the media was escorted out...alas, I can't...and, even if I could, it would be patently denied.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Aggie Man]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Big Brother is always watching us...The public believes what the media allows them to. The intentional dumbing down of the American public. We are about to hit a turning point. I don't know what's going to happen, but I can feel it building up. Something is going to destroy us or bring us back together, I don't know. Does anyone else get that creepy feeling?



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Just FYI that pamphlet was put out quite a few years ago.

I can't find a date for it but to give you an idea of how old it is please notice that there is no web contact, email etc. on it. Just telephone numbers, so it is pretty old.

If I remember properly this was basically part of the anti-militia campaign spearheaded by the Southern Poverty Law Center in the late 90's.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Apparently I fit the bill for a Right Wing Extremist and a Common Law terrrrist.


Course I already knew that.. from the last FBI report that labeled Libertarians, Constitutional Supporters and various other patriotic associations as Terrorist.

My philosophy, if they want to label you a terrorist, you might as well be a terrorist.

(note, in this context of "Terrorism" simply not recognizing the corrupt government and protecting the Constitution while making others aware of the issues is indeed a Terrorist act -- thus many of us here are terrorist!)




posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:46 PM
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Unfortunately, I trust neither.

If anything about the Illuminati is true, then the founding fathers were a part of it! Times change, perhaps there is a generational motive that is modified as time passes.

Even if this is a typo, the attitudes and behaviors of those who created it are evident. Would you accidentally print this? Maybe if you were simply the person printing it, but what of the person who handed it to you, or their superior officer?

Social profiling at its best, folks. We need help, and our governments around the world are not going to be the ones to do it. I just finished watching District 9 and that movie certainly didn't help to foster my faith in the powers that be, at all. Yeeesh.

Does anyone know if there is a current copy that can be acquired for counter-reference? I doubt it will be much better.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by GideonHM]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Outback Steakhouse good? Funny, I thought they were just bastardising Australian culture to make a profit. At expensive prices to boot.


I firmly believe this is all intertwined into a toxic rats nest, and they are about to jump ship in terms of society. Could explain the underground bunkers.

Oh, I know I am just speculating here, and I am quite depressed over the current political and social trends everyone except the super rich and their lackies are facing.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
My philosophy, if they want to label you a terrorist, you might as well be a terrorist.


Well, that is the danger with darned if you do, darned if you don't. If you are going to be treated Guilty when you are Innocent, then you might as well be Guilty and deserving than falsely persecuted when Innocent of any wrong doing.

Not everyone is an Idealistic Martyr willing to bear the burden of the false accusation of Guilt while taking the High Road and holding fast to their Idealistic Innocence.

I think it was Sun Tzu that said something along the lines of always giving your enemy an opportunity out, a chance to reconsider, and a path to retreat. When you hedge someone in, they have no choice but to fight their way out. The same concept of warfare can be applied psychologically to the Innocent. If you treat the Innocent as your enemy and hedge them in, they will have no choice but to resort to the same acts you are falsely labeling them as being Guilty of.

Personally, I'm upset with the misuse of the word Terrorist to begin with. I preferred it back in the late 1980's when everyone called themselves a Terrorist because it denoted someone who was sub-culture/counterculture. Musicians, Artists, Hackers, Skateboarders, Goths, Punks, Industrialists, Riot Girls, Rivetheads, Cyberpunks, Console Cowboys, Cyber Cowgirls, used to wear the Terrorist title like a badge of honor. They weren't doing anything destructive or harmful to anyone, they were just challenging Societal Norms and Ripping the System apart with creativity rather than with violence. However, I guess it was inevitable that the Government would hijack that meme to justify an imaginary War against an Invisible Enemy that may or may not exist.




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