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posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Enrikez

Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Elvis, The Beatles, Eddie Murphy, Rap music, the UFC books, games, music, movies whatever it is.


None of them are disturbing as they dont promote criminally insane behavior.



No one cares if you don't get it.


Lack of care is very apparent in this thread.




posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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When games become three-dimensional and as close to reality as possible, thats going to raise a whole bunch of issues. The 2-dimensionality of current games might still be a barrier of discernment.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Trauma induced by media isn't remotely mythical. Sep 11 is a good example of media induced trauma.

Studies have also shown that the limbic system cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy in regards to television viewing.

In my personal opinion, with over seven years of military experience and deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I would agree GTA isn't going to prepare anyone for using a real firearm. On the other hand a game like Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas can teach a few things.

Again I don't have a problem with violent media, e.g. GTA, I have a problem with trauma inducing toxic media like Eli Roth's Hostel.




[edit on 20/8/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Enrikez

Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Elvis, The Beatles, Eddie Murphy, Rap music, the UFC books, games, music, movies whatever it is.



Originally posted by SkyfloatingNone of them are disturbing as they dont promote criminally insane behavior.


It's not your opinion on those entertainers/genres of entertainment that I posted those examples for. What you were supposed to get from that is that certain people who do not understand the medium or the artist etc, often try to censor that content.

That is what you are doing in this thread. You are the 21st century equivalent of C. Delores Tucker (ban on rap music), John McCain (ban on the sport of MMA), Tipper Gore (Music Censorship), Ed Sullivan (censored Elvis' 'gyrations) ... I could go on and on and on, but the point is that the people who tackled these so-called issues (imagined issues is what I would call them) seem silly and their ideas quaint and ridiculous now.

The same will be said of you and the people like you who see some imagined threat in violent/tasteless/silly video games. It's already started, just see what the gaming community did to Jack Thomson (I suggest Destructoid.com articles, they are the funniest IMO)

You don't like Johnny Knoxville and "Jackass"? Good for you, just don't tell me that I can't watch it.



Originally posted by Enrikez No one cares if you don't get it.



Originally posted by SkyfloatingLack of care is very apparent in this thread.



As is delusion.






[edit on 20-8-2009 by Enrikez]

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Enrikez]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Enrikez
 


Trauma induced by media isn't remotely mythical. Sep 11 is a good example of media induced trauma.

Studies have also shown that the limbic system cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy in regards to television viewing.

In my personal opinion, with over seven years of military experience and deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, I would agree GTA isn't going to prepare anyone for using a real firearm. On the other hand a game like Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas can teach a few things.

Again I don't have a problem violent media, e.g. GTA, I have a problem with trauma inducing toxic media like Eli Roth's Hostel.




The term "Media" is not a catch-all statement, as you seem to believe. If I have to explain the difference between watching real-life events such as 09/11/01 videos on the news and watching a poop-monster in the movie "Dogma", then you've lost this argument before you even opened the thread.

As far as 'scary movies' go ... if you have an over-sensitive reaction to them, stay away. But you have no right to dictate to me that I can't enjoy them.

I don't like country music, and I see a direct correlation between those who listen to country music and the killing of cute fuzzy animals, yet I don't have the right to tell people they cannot listen to country music.

No Rainbow Six game is capable of teaching a kid anything about real-life violence.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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These games arent ment for kids. People enjoy things they would never beable to do in real life.

If a parent is letting their child play this game, dont blame the games developers, blame the parents.

Games, just like movies, have a ESRB rating, there is E for everyone, T for Teen, M for Mature (18+). So it comes down to the parents discretion, if you look underage and try to purchase this, just like cigarettes and porn, you will be carded and asked for ID.
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Thats what pisses me off most about people blaming video games, blame the god damn parents for buying this for their children. "Oh well i didnt know"... the dude on the cover is carrying an AK-47, all you have to do is look at the back of the box to see what the game is about.
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There have been studies that suggest gamers, who play competitive, often violent games are actually less aggressive in a social situation.
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It disgusts me when Im playing Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (realistic violence in a iraq like setting..on some levels) and i hear the screeching of a child who just got killed. Why is their parents letting them play an 18+ game when they are only 9? Does that parent also buy them porn, booze and cigarettes?
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anyways back to the subject...demonic game? I thought this thread was about "Grandma's Boy"......

Demonic game hahhaha........ some people get off on different things, the world is not your protected little bubble. you enjoy softcore, others enjoy scat. get over it, the world is a crazy place. demonic? no. fun? probably.

If the child has trouble mistaking a game for real life. the kid has bigger problems then playing the wrong video game. end of story. blame the parents who are obviously non-existent.

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the limbic system cant descern real life for television?

explain how I can watch zombies movies, people being gored and ripped apart and their entrails being eaten, yet when i got my lip peirced so long again, the woman showed me in a mirror the needle sticing through my lip and i started to get light headed.

If i saw someone eatflesh in real life, i dont think I would be unnerved, i think i would be puking uncontrollably.


[edit on 20-8-2009 by epitaph.one]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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Well video Games do have a lot of violence. But it can be the parents fault if they don't see what games thier children play.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by epitaph.one


If i saw someone eatflesh in real life, i dont think I would be unnerved, i think i would be puking uncontrollably.


[edit on 20-8-2009 by epitaph.one]


While your entire post deserves to be quoted, I just want to say that you get a +1 from me on this point in particular.

I enjoy tasteless humour, I write Zombie fiction, I enjoy violent video games.


By the amount of violent fictional media in various forms, I should be Satan's right hand man by now. Oh wait, everyone arguing the psychological effects of video games vs real life trauma are just making stuff up!

I'm cool again, almost got worried there for a minute.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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I use the term media in reference to: Electronic media and Print media. Its fairly catch-all in that regard.

Where did I bring up anything about Kevin Smith or "scary movies" as you put it?

I'm talking about media that is traumatic, e.g. Torture Porn, Gore Porn, Rape Porn, etc. The same people Ive met who over the years who enjoy crap like that, also enjoyed watching real people being beheaded on video, girls eating their own feces on video, and watching videos of animals being tortured. That kind of poison should be banned and the sites hosting it shutdown, and if the host is overseas I would hope they like cyberattacks from the NSA until the servers shutdown.

Again the Rainbow Six reference is about teaching something in regards to firearms, nothing about it preparing anyone for violence. If the game actually had stoppages, SPORTS, and weapons maintenance it would be great.





[edit on 20/8/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Well in my opinion it is not a demonic video game's fault if it is warping your child's mind. It is your fault for letting your child play such a game.

That is certainly not a game that was intended for young children.

I really think that it is up to parents to keep their kids from getting a hold of adult media of any sort. Porn exists,but if you leave it lying around for your kids to see, that is your bad.

Yes I agree, demonic video games are bad.

People just need to take responsibility for the products they buy for their kids.






posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUSI use the term media in reference to: Electronic media and Print media. Its fairly catch-all in that regard.


Not really the argument we're having, but Media as a video game is much different than the news. You cannot pigeonhole them together as 'media' in the sense you are using.


Originally posted by MikeboydUSWhere did I bring up anything about Kevin Smith or "scary movies" as you put it?


Right here:


Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Again I don't have a problem with violent media, e.g. GTA, I have a problem with trauma inducing toxic media like Eli Roth's Hostel.

[edit on 20/8/09 by MikeboydUS]


I added the Kevin Smith poop monster to prove a point. A monster made of feces is obviously silly and meant as humour. A girl getting revenge and chopping off her torurer's penis is 'Poetic justice'. They are both tropes used in story telling. That's why I mentioned it.


Originally posted by MikeboydUSI'm talking about media that is traumatic, e.g. Torture Porn, Gore Porn, Rape Porn, etc. The same people Ive met who over the years who enjoy crap like that also enjoyed watching real people being beheaded on video, girls eating their own feces on video, and watching videos of animals being tortured. That kind of poison should be banned and the sites hosting it shutdown, and if the host is overseas I would hope they like cyberattacks from the NSA until the servers shutdown.


Nothing that you've listed there is a video game. Why even bother posting it? Rape porn, or any porn for that matter has nothing to do with violence in video games. No developer has ever marketed an AO rated game. The ESRB has the rating, but there are no games that use the rating. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove saying that people who like rape porn also like watching girls eating poo. You're severly off-topic.


Originally posted by MikeboydUSAgain the Rainbow Six reference is about teaching something in regards to firearms, nothing about it preparing anyone for violence. If the game actually had stoppages, SPORTS, and weapons maintenance it would be great.


Rainbow Six teaches a kid nothing about firearms either. Check out Penn and Teller's episode on violent video games, you'll see what happens when an avid 12 year old gamer fires a real life powerful rifle (HINT: It traumatizes him and he bursts into tears)

You are not making any headway here.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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I doubt that this game contributes much, if anything, in the way of violence. First, it's not even particularly popular, for various reasons. Second, most of those features you listed are add-ons to the game. Oh, and it's apparently not even intended for kids.

But mostly, the US has had a particularly high murder rate since long before the advent of video games. You haven't seen a sharp rise in violence since violent video games were introduced. There is no apparent connection.

As far as "demonic" goes - well, I haven't seen any evidence of demons in these games. Some of the games and their features are pretty nasty, but so far, no demons.

If someone starts to swear at me in a language they've n ever learned; or starts puking up green stuff while their head turns around and insults my mother, I'll reconsider the matter. But so far, all I see is something in very poor taste that is likely intended more as a joke than as an introduction into satanism 101.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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this game looks alright the ai looks pretty crap but i def wanna play it, ithought the first one was pretty cool, gets boring after awhile tho.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Electronic media includes video games, computer simulations, television, internet and film.

I havn't seen the scene your talking about, which I assume is in Hostel II. I watched part of Hostel I in Afghanistan when it was first released and the film was sick and more snuff than actual story. It was the equivalent of a porn film with the sex replaced by torture and gore.

AO games have been marketed, just not mass marketed and none as far as I know on consoles. Manhunt 2 was orginally rated AO before it was edited and it could be considered an example of a game on the threshold.

My point with the comparisons of those who enjoy torture porn and who also enjoy watching actual people beheaded or animals mutilated is a sign there is a disorder.

Come to think of it, Do you enjoy Rotton*com or the former Ogrish*com?

Its pointless to go any further on Rainbow Six, Ive seen first hand the affect that FPS gaming can have on increasing scores at the firing range, making expert shooters out of former marksmen on the M-4.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Im I being overly sensitive to be unamused by the content of this "game"?



In a word: no.

And even being "overly" sensitive is far better than being desensitised to the point of numbness. (And this is coming from a rabid opponent of "political correctness".)

As I know the influence of the media (which actually mirror the current prevalent set of values - or the lack thereof) is a contentious issue - which is in itself bad enough - I won't be reading the replies, for fear of bursting into flames if I do.
But I do hope nobody here advocates this, under ANY circumstance.





[edit on 20-8-2009 by Vanitas]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Meh, Postal 2's offensiveness is puerile and juvenile. I found far more disturbing and offensive material in Fallout 3 in instances where I tracked down artifacts of Abraham Lincoln's life so the slavers could burn them - to say nothing of kidnapping and selling an innocent little 8 year old girl into (sexual?) slavery.

Even if it was a videogame, I couldn't go through with the child slavery side quest. I got her outside to the slaver, but before they could start back to Paradise Falls, I had a Tony Montoya moment and blew the slaver's head off down to the neck stump with the .44 mag.

She normally doesn't have the flame thrower or armor, just a pair of pink "blast off" astronaut pajamas.


Alot of has to do with context and empathy. Games like Postal 2 do a lot to reduce and empathy through comedy and absurdity of violence. Games like Fallout 3 draw you in to their world and try to increase level of empathy you feel towards their characters.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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I didn't even bother reading past the OP. Kids are going to be exposed to all kinds of things that some may consider unsavory or inappropriate. This is where the parents come in. It is their duty to instill the values of reality and fantasy in the children. I honestly don't think that video games make nearly the impact on young minds as do movies and television in general. A video game is, almost by default, fantasy. They depict unreal situations and offer an escape from reality. At least they did for myself as a young'n. Television/Movies show real humans doing what may seem to a young mind real things. Just like the whole howard stern thing...if you don't wanna hear it, change the channel. If you don't want your kids playing certain types of games, don't buy them. My point::Video games and movies are the least of your concerns in today's society.

-Chaos



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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S&F to you OP

These "games" are disgusting.

I can't understand adults enjoying any of them. I guess it says a lot about who they are


These people desensitize (more) after 'playing' with these video games- on a daily basis.

It's also about confusing reality with fiction. The edges of what's acceptable and not -is blurry and violent themes are accepted as normal.

Parents just should keep children away from these stuff. As well as from television.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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I gotta say, that Crash Bandicoot series of the '90s is full of Satanic references and reeks of pure evil. Why? Well, first of all, his spin attack is derived from a move that Satan does to finish people off. It is written:



One night and four score saw the evil twist of Satan in the forests - Corinthians 2:15



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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My question is: Who would want to do any of that stuff?

I'd much rather play Pacman than urinate on dead kitties.

But hey, maybe I'm the strange one...


I think the reason some people pretend to like these sort of games is the same reason some people pretend to like overly spicy food...
Thus is the shallowness of modern society...



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