Demonic Video Games

reply to post by Skyfloating


i have/had a friend that was obsessed with COD Nazi Zombies. he's so anal about doing everything perfectly, and by himself that i'm like, f you b, it's just a game, get a girlfriend.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I think the issue with parents watching CNN and having no reactions is already another matter. And I don't think they are dehumanized. If their kids were suffering I'm sure they would act as humanely as its possible.

And yeah, anything in excess will be bad for you. We don't really need to debate that, its common knowledge.

I think were also forgetting aswell that for every 1 game thats violent, theres 100 that isnt.
I can name Train Simulator, Flight Simulator, Theme Hospital, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Hello Kitty, Pinball, Solitaire, Minesweeper, TOCA Race Driver, etc...I hardly doubt theres going to be any school shootings or murders because of these games.

Originally posted by ROBL240
I think were also forgetting aswell that for every 1 game thats violent, theres 100 that isnt.
I can name Train Simulator, Flight Simulator, Theme Hospital, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Hello Kitty, Pinball, Solitaire, Minesweeper, TOCA Race Driver, etc...I hardly doubt theres going to be any school shootings or murders because of these games.

To be honest I did fly into the World Trade Centre in NY just to see how it might have been for the pilots (if there were any real planes?! *gasp*). It was quite difficult, but I'm not the best pilot.

Microsoft did remove the towers in a patch shortly after 9/11 I believe. I don't know if this was to make the game more up-to-date and realistic, or to prevent people flying into the towers for their own amusement :/

[edit on 20/8/09 by dmorgan]

And for every game that isn't violent to begin with, there's a way to make it violent.

For instance, take the sims, a harmless non violent game, until you use your imagination.

For instance, putting lamps in a fresh puddle in the bathroom and electrocuting your sims. Building a pool, have your sim go swimming then remove the ladders, and they swim themselves to death.

Putting them in a room with no doors or windows and they only get food when they make their bed...

In roller coaster tycoon I built coasters with tracks that ended abruptly so I could watch the coasters fly off the tracks, witnessing something I'd essentially never get to see otherwise.

Some of us enjoy fictional violence. If you don't, don't play. But by denying those people who enjoy it their right to do so is just as bad as any tyrant throughout history.

Question all you want, but when you start throwing around terms like depraved-sicko-trash what you've really done is defined anyone who's ever played it as such, even if it wasn't your intent, though I think it clearly was. And when you do that, you're no longer questioning, you've made up your mind and your goal is then to get people to agree with you through vulgar and demeaning terms.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by djzombie]

Originally posted by ROBL240
I think were also forgetting aswell that for every 1 game thats violent, theres 100 that isnt.
I can name Train Simulator, Flight Simulator, Theme Hospital, Rollercoaster Tycoon, Hello Kitty, Pinball, Solitaire, Minesweeper, TOCA Race Driver, etc...I hardly doubt theres going to be any school shootings or murders because of these games.

No, we are not "forgetting" that, because this is not a thread about good video games or bad video games, but very, very, very bad (hence "demonic") video games.

Its about making extremely vile acts something "fun" and "enjoyable" and, as one poster said, good for expanding "awareness".

Please do not take this the wrong way.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I got the postal-hint from a kid when I asked him what a popular sick-and-twisted game is.

Well, first of all, it's sounding a bit like you did this JUST so you could make a thread about it. But ignoring that - if you ask anyone what a sick and twisted game is, they're going to mention this one. Why? Because it's pretty much the only one.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im not familiar with the scene.

Yes, understood. If you were, you might see that you are overreacting. Please read on

Originally posted by Skyfloating
which is apparently quite popular among kids

It isn't. It's a fairly old game and was forgotten in five minutes. Why? It's terrible. It's only remembered because it's so sick and twisted - and that's the only reason you've heard of it.

99% of the people who say they like it only liked it because it made them laugh for a few minutes, before they got bored, and went off to play a game that's actually worthwhile. They're not going to go back to it. Far too much good stuff out there to choose from. I bet none of them actually paid for it, either. Basically what you have read about it is just hype.

They only laughed at it because its so ridiculous. Personally I just thought it was childish, but each to his own.

The poster here who says he likes it is the first person I've ever actually heard say that

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I cant see the artistic merit in the game mentioned.

That I agree with, then again, games often don't have artistic merit. Not really the point of games.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Like thats gonna keep children away from it.

The fact that it's crap, and there's plenty of good stuff, will keep children away from it

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Nah, Ive always been concerned about brainwashing, media-programming, media-influence and mind-control.

Well, look elsewhere, because honestly, this isn't doing it.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Also, why have civil rights or gay rights activists not taken measures against it yet?

Because nobody cares. It's throwaway trash. It's not important.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
What I am saying is that they are disgusting and the majority of people being "OK" with them, is very telling.

As above. It's not that it's "OK" it's just that it's not even worth worrying about. It's that bad that most people wouldn't even bother with it if they were handed a free copy. Just installing it is more hassle than it's worth.

This is not just me, I've heard this over and over from a lot of people.

Originally posted by kindred
All I'm seeing is the complete opposite as society is becoming more violent, not less and it has everything to do with media influence, violent movies, computer games and music.

Well, you're wrong. It's got nothing to do with any of that, and everything to do with the fact kids get away with murder these days, because you're not even allowed to punish them anymore.

The kids that stay at home and play games are not the ones comitting violence. Think about that.

With all due respect, Skyfloating, I think you are interested in censorship for this art form, with poor reasoning to explain it.

If you give a box of cigars and a bottle of whiskey to a child, you will have similar problems, that is because hese things are for adults to enjoy.

If you dislike the content, don't buy it.

It doesn't come filtered in to your home. It doesn't come in the mail, it doesn't come down the cable line.

Nobody forces your children to play it.

Nobody can parent your child but you; nobody can take away bad games and prevent your child from seeing bad movies and hearing bad things from kids at school who have access to the internet, movies, pornography, drugs, violence, all manner of video games and music.

What I am getting at is, thiss video game is absolutely no worse to give to children then a rated R or worse movie, a box of cigars or a bottle of whiskey.

If you don't want your child having it, parent them and make sure they don't get it.

But the world is changing mighty fast and you cannot easily stop progress, technological or in this case, social. Or otherwise.

Now, this is not directed at your personally Skyfloating, so I don't want you or anyone getting the wrong idea.

These are my thoughts on the subject itself, not directed at anybody specifically.

And lots of video games and movies for decades and decades have done similar things. It's nothing new to anyone. it's just a personal crusade for some, like Jack Thompson.

Edit:

I too remember fondly the days of finally getting to play Super Mario Bros. on NES.

That was when I was 4 years old.

I am 24 now.

And in that time, video games has grown up with me. The Nintendo Wii has done a good job of bringing old school games and games without much violence or bad things in them to today's children. Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation's DLC service has done similarly, with old, classics from their libraries from a simpler time.

But in the mean time, you must also realize, the same kids who grew up when I did, and a bit before, and a bit after, we are the ones who made video games a real business, with our dollars.

These days, video games have grown up with it's original player base, from Atari to the present, 7th generation of video games, and it is now targetted at adults.

A child can not afford a $700 Playstation 3 or $70 games for it. A child cannot purchase their own internet capability and set it up to play online.

The only way a child could obtain and play Postal 2 is with adult help.

But not likely adult supervision.

So think about that and think about whether you are interested in censoring something for the right reasons. This business of video games can be drivel and it can be art, just like movies, music, and many other art forms.

None should ever be censored.

I'll always try, until my dying breath, to resist those who wish to censor life.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by BaronVonGodzilla]

Originally posted by djzombie
denying those people who enjoy it their right to do so is just as bad as any tyrant throughout history.

Asking "is it good to display vile-crime as entertainment?" does not make one a tyrant. It makes one a critical thinker.

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I think that critical thinking relating to good or bad will eventually lead one into tyranny.

Thats just me though.
I'm not saying its wrong or bad to think in terms of good or bad.


[edit on 20-8-2009 by Geladinhu]

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
With all due respect, Skyfloating, I think you are interested in censorship for this art form, with poor reasoning to explain it.

Questioning something does not equal tyranny as one poster mentioned and it does not equal a desire for censorship. It equals the desire to discuss the merits of something.

Post something thats true.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Geladinhu
I think that critical thinking relating to good or bad will eventually lead one into tyranny.

Discerning good from bad leads to tyranny

How so?

Reading comprehension ftl.

Question all you want, but when you start throwing around terms like depraved-sicko-trash what you've really done is defined anyone who's ever played it as such, even if it wasn't your intent, though I think it clearly was. And when you do that, you're no longer questioning, you've made up your mind and your goal is then to get people to agree with you through vulgar and demeaning terms.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
With all due respect, Skyfloating, I think you are interested in censorship for this art form, with poor reasoning to explain it.

I stopped reading at this point because questioning something does not equal tyranny as one poster mentioned and it does not equal a desire for censorship. It equals the desire to discuss the merits of something.

Post something thats true.



[edit on 20-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

Wow, you're very closed minded, and I can see how you arrived at this poorly thought out conviction.

I'm done talking to you as well. Enjoy your thread.

Questioning the merits of a game has nothing to do with tyranny and censorship.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Geladinhu
I think that critical thinking relating to good or bad will eventually lead one into tyranny.

Discerning good from bad leads to tyranny

How so?

If things are good and other things are bad we should try to preserve the good things and eliminate the bad things. Doesn't that seem kind of tyrannical?

"Violence is bad. So we ought to punish and regulate the behavior of people so that they won't be violent." Isn't punishing and regulation a special kind of violence?

Do you see my point?

Postal is a +18 satiric commedy.
In the game you can be a sadistic bastard. But you can also play it like a normal action game with RPG elements - granted it's still a bit gory.


The people behind Postal are a nice bunch of ordinary folks from the U.S.
Their newsletter is great and often critical of how modern society works.


I like how the various groups are portrayed in Postal 2. All of them shown as hypocrites which to an extent is true.
I'm more against games which are made with a clear attempt at encouraging the player to do dreadfull things in all seriousness. Such as Manhunt or Bully or even Carmageddon. Though I don't really mind them.



For a really demonic game I'd recommend Doom 3. Or anti-demonic as you are kicking the demon asses. Always fun to throw grenades down satans rectum.

Originally posted by Geladinhu
If things are good and other things are bad we should try to preserve the good things and eliminate the bad things. Doesn't that seem kind of tyrannical?

"Violence is bad. So we ought to punish and regulate the behavior of people so that they won't be violent." Isn't punishing and regulation a special kind of violence?

Do you see my point?

Well, if it's actual acts of violence to be discouraged then yes, I more-or-less agree with that so-called tyranny. Over a game I don't think so. Entering a plea for expression of a higher and compassionate nature is not tyranny. I would not lament the loss of mass appeal of this form of expression.

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla


Wow, you're very closed minded, and I can see how you arrived at this poorly thought out conviction.

My apologies. But people are repeatedly throwing around the "censorship-card" for nothing more than questioning the status-quo of something. You`d think a conspiracy-site is more critical of possible manipulation.

I have no objections to the rest of your post at all.

Originally posted by Geladinhu
If things are good and other things are bad we should try to preserve the good things and eliminate the bad things. Doesn't that seem kind of tyrannical?

"Violence is bad. So we ought to punish and regulate the behavior of people so that they won't be violent." Isn't punishing and regulation a special kind of violence?

Do you see my point?

Yes, I see your point.

When Jimmy says "This game sucks" it is not necessarily a politcally motivated statement though.