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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:17 PM by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by randyvs
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post by tothetenthpower



Simply because the soul exists, does not mean it comes from God
yes it does. your wrong. period.in fact that is the most wrong thing
anyone can say.it's stupid. the soul dosn't come from God! think
about that. it's just stupid. good thread .s&f.





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If there's no god or gods, then there's no soul.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:18 PM by Spiritfilled
Originally posted by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



Simply because the soul exists, does not mean it comes from God
yes it does. your wrong. period.in fact that is the most wrong thing
anyone can say.it's stupid. the soul dosn't come from God! think
about that. it's just stupid. good thread .s&f.





[edit on 20-8-2009 by randyvs]


If there's no god or gods, then there's no soul.


if there is no soul there would be no consciousness, just unconscious physical motion.



reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:21 PM by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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and human compassion is???? Just a flood of serotonin in the brain or what?

I do agree with you on pain. That is however a negative feeling, and flesh is a negative thing. Where do the positive feelings come from?



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I'm a F-16 crew chief in the USAF not a biologist, so don't quote me on this, it's possible it's a by-product of our mind during our evolution from apes. At least that's what I've read. It is obvious though that our feelings are biological though and one example showing this is blind people. A person his whole life would be blind. He smiles still when he's happy, not knowing what is a happy expression in the human face. Smiling is a human response to happiness or similar feelings. Or something like that.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:26 PM by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by Spiritfilled

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even several millions of years into the future, even with all the computer technology possible (biotechnollegy also), a computer will not be able to feel pain, because it is simply a lifeless collection of protons and neutrons.


Who are you to say that though? How can you say it's impossible for a machine to not feel pain? (Mix of philosophy here.) I don't mean to bring up the fictional world of Battlestar Galactica, but it's very relevant in our technology today. How can you say that it's impossible for a robot to do that, and by what definition are you trying to characterize life? Trees aren't animals, but they're still living organisms. How can we say that it's not possible to create machines who are alive?


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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:29 PM by Spiritfilled
Originally posted by FantasmaTaans

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Who are you to say that though? How can you say it's impossible for a machine to not feel pain? (Mix of philosophy here.) I don't mean to bring up the fictional world of Battlestar Galactica, but it's very relevant in our technology today. How can you say that it's impossible for a robot to do that, and by what definition are you trying to characterize life? Trees aren't animals, but they're still living organisms. How can we say that it's not possible to create machines who are alive?


trees are not as alive as we are because they are not conscious (at least i don't think they are) they exist at a far lower level of life than animals.


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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:35 PM by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by Spiritfilled
Originally posted by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to
post by tothetenthpower



Simply because the soul exists, does not mean it comes from God
yes it does. your wrong. period.in fact that is the most wrong thing
anyone can say.it's stupid. the soul dosn't come from God! think
about that. it's just stupid. good thread .s&f.





[edit on 20-8-2009 by randyvs]


If there's no god or gods, then there's no soul.


if there is no soul there would be no consciousness, just unconscious physical motion.


Fail, our brain contains our consciousness.


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 03:39 PM by FantasmaTaans
Originally posted by Spiritfilled

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trees are not as alive as we are because they are not conscious (at least i don't think they are) they exist at a far lower level of life than animals.


EPIC FAIL!: You do know there is no set definition of life, but life is described by characteristics. You can't say I'm more alive than you! The fact is if a object falls into one of those characteristics then it's alive. It's stupid to say that you are more alive than a chipmunk in a park simply because you have cognitive thinking skills (which you aren't using very much). I'm just saying. There is no life scale, but you're referring to the food chain. Pick up a biology book or something buddy.

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reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 10:29 PM by RankRancid
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OMG just spat a ghost pop out of my nose,sir you made my day with that.

@ The OP

Just that I can get on topic here are we discussing the black Jesus here or the white one? The one with curly hair and dark skin or the blonde hair girly looking one?


reply posted on 20-8-2009 @ 11:25 PM by Welfhard
reply to post by Spiritfilled



This thread is funny. The premise is that matter cannot become conscious which is a rather odd thing to say. It's funny because there is a one word solution....

Emergence!






The other thing is that to say that consciousness couldn't occur naturally, i.e. materialistically is to give a very strict definition to the word. In reality, consciousness is very poorly defined, science has no official definition of it yet so the dictionary will only gist at a meaning - a 'popular belief' kind of meaning.

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reply posted on 21-8-2009 @ 01:01 AM by reticledc
reply to post by Spiritfilled



Define: consciousness.

Consciousness, requires energy, be it physical, or spiritual.
The physical universe is made up of energy, vibrating at certain frequencies to coalesce into matter.
The spirit is the well spring from which our consciousness flows.
The spirit is also known as our source, or our energy.
Energy can be encoded with information.
A simple stone is made up of structured molecules, which are atoms aligned with one another, which in turn are made of energy, which have certain patterns of frequency.
In other words, they have an informational blueprint inherent in their existance.
The same can be said of all matter in the universe, as well as the varying frequencies of energy.

If everything is made from the same stuff, they then share a common trait, even if it is only at the quantum level.

Consciousness can be interpreted as biological, electrical and chemical messages sent back and forth throughout the brain.
All of these stimuli have one inherrant trait. They convey informational energy to the array of tissues that give us awareness.
The energy is the same a mentioned before as is the matter of the brain.
Consciousness, while difficult to accurately explain in terms that everyone can completely understand, it is not lost to anyone.
We are, therefore we think.
if one were to believe in a creator, one would have to rationalize the fact that that creator gave us the wonderful gift of free will.
Free will coincides with thought, as it allows our mind to conceptualize, anything it can.............conceptualize.
The inherent flaw, as adequately describes by so many, is that our consciousness is limited, by societal, and religious controls, that encourage nothing more than blind faith and the reduction of free will.
It is also admitted, by religious influences, that the "creator" gave us free will, yet all of the religions of the world seek to inhibit that gift as much as possible.
I wonder, what precisely the motivation for that could be?
It is certainly not to increase our spirituality.
Scientifically, all conclusions must be reached by leaps of faith. Once discovered, true or otherwise, answers become the questions.
On a personal note.
I yield my beliefs to no one. If I am to believe anything, it is because I discovered it for myself. No one, and I mean no one has the right to try and make me believe anything.
Which is why I say to anyone reading this, don't take my word for it. Discover the answers for yourself, as I can only "show" you mine.




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