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The Lockerbie Bomber is being freed tmorro - USA butt out !

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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by loner007

So why should this guy still ibe n prison after all he was just following orders


I really didn't intend to comment until I saw this.

Just following orders?

TO MURDER 270 CIVILIANS?

Why?




posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by loner007

So why should this guy still ibe n prison after all he was just following orders


I really didn't intend to comment until I saw this.

Just following orders?

TO MURDER 270 CIVILIANS?


Yeah, that defense didn't work in 1945 with the Nazis, I don't think it will hold any water now.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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Yeah! crazy! - Lockerbie was a terrible & awful tragedy!

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi could rot in jail for all I care!

This brings back some crazy memories for me!

My fiancé and I had plans to fly from Stockholm-London-New York with Pan Am (cheapest tickets) that week and make a stopover in London for some clothes-shopping, but decided to skip London to save our money and therefore changed our minds and flew STO-Frankfurt-New York instead - just days before the Lockerbie December 21 happened!

Many of their flights were fully booked because they were near Christmas flights, but Pan Am also had some seats available on the Frankfurt-NY flight which fitted better with our connection from STO, and it was flying two days earlier so we bought tickets for this flight instead!

(And now in hindsight I thank God that we took that route instead, maybe we could have ended up on that Lockerbie flight if we had made that planned stopover in London)


After a great day & night out in NY with some friends, the next day all of us went down to Florida for a sunny Christmas holiday. And when we came to the hotel we saw the terrible news on TV



[edit on 19-8-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Majestic23
No, I just find it annoying. Who said anything about being "hard" anyway.


Well, you are anything but hard.



Originally posted by Majestic23
..........whats your point? I am giving an opinion. Its a public forum.


Exactly that. You have your opinion, and everyone else does, too. Deal with it.


Originally posted by Majestic23
Take it with a pinch of salt dumbass its from a film. I am the least nationalistic person you will find.

Looks like I touched a nerve. Dont be so sensitive.

Same old stuff, America gets criticised for its buffoonery and you get your panties in a twist.


Oh, my, namecalling. I'm crushed because I don't think you like me anymore.


Well, if anyone seems to be getting her panties in a twist, it's you. And you know mommy will want them back, so try to keep the skidmarks to a minimum after you are thru s**tting yourself in anger.


Scotland can do whatever they want with the ass hat, I don't care. And the US can give their opinion about the matter, too.


Grow up man. Saying Iam anything but hard over the internet like a keyboard warrior. Go back to the locker room and spout your dip# tough talk there.

If you had any insight and took a moment to look at my comment from any angle other than the absurdly defensive one you did, you would understand that the overall point of it was. America is always putting their nose into other countrie's affairs when it cant even get it own anywhere near right. Its diversion tactics, its a conspiracy website, a certain amount of knowledge is assumed, I know the typed word doesant always convey a point so well but do you need everything spelled out for you?

"England Prevails" is a referance to the graphic novel V for Vendetta (youve probably seen the film but didnt put two and two together). In it, America turns out to be in a bad way, in choas, while the UK is under totalitatian but relativly stable control. In the near future, the same theme is also in the film 'Children of Men'.

KNOCK KNOCK Its as though someone is trying to tell you something isnt it!



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by ken10
In my opinion he was an innocent patsy, And i think his 2nd appeal would have proved it.!


And here in lies the motive. If he had a 2nd appeal and was proven innocent then it opens up a whole can of worms as to who did it if not him. I have heard mention of the Ronnie Biggs case, and the whole u-turn on his release being the precursor for the release of al-Megrahi, to pave the way. If they release him, he'll always be guilty and they will always have their scapegoat, whether he's dead or alive.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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I think you're all missing the bigger picture here! I'll bet nehind the scenes there's been some double dealing taking place. . . He's not going to be released without us (the British) getting something in return. Gaddaffi will have agreed to let UK intelligence (if such a thing exists) use it's land to house forces or intelligence agents.
There's no way on gods green Earth that they would release this scumbag otherwise.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Majestic23
Grow up man. Saying Iam anything but hard over the internet like a keyboard warrior. Go back to the locker room and spout your dip# tough talk there.


More namecalling. What a child.



Originally posted by Majestic23
If you had any insight and took a moment to look at my comment from any angle other than the absurdly defensive one you did, you would understand that the overall point of it was. America is always putting their nose into other countrie's affairs when it cant even get it own anywhere near right. Its diversion tactics, its a conspiracy website, a certain amount of knowledge is assumed, I know the typed word doesant always convey a point so well but do you need everything spelled out for you?


After reading this, and plodding through your many spelling errors, the one thing that gets the US pissed off is that many countries cry the blues when the US doesn't get involved, and then whine when they do. Can't win or lose in that situation.

Defensive, huh? Well, you do seem to be falling back on the name calling, but that's OK.



Originally posted by Majestic23
"England Prevails" is a referance to the graphic novel V for Vendetta (youve probably seen the film but didnt put two and two together). In it, America turns out to be in a bad way, in choas, while the UK is under totalitatian but relativly stable control. In the near future, the same theme is also in the film 'Children of Men'.


Graphic novel = comic book. Just call it what it is, there's no shame.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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What nonsense. This is a distraction. Al-Megrahi acted on his own, yet right.

Al-Megrahi is a scapegoat for governments who simply want a resolution and a foreign politically friendly one at that. if I was a family member, I'd be livid.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Mate you are a walking stereotype, look at your sig, you are basically saying "torture in my name is ok!". You get like this whenever anyone even goes near America Ive seen it on other threads. Your only fallback is to insinuate other people are "cissies", and to constantly try to convince yourself that America can do no wrong. Spelling errors? Name calling? So what, do you have an argument or what?

Oh yeah, your golden ticket "everyone whines when America doesant get involved". I swear Ive seen you use this argument loads of times. So where have you got that idea from? Who was whining that America wasnt getting involved?

Someone criticised your country, get over it. If you really cared about your country you would level the same criticism.

Great job on not attempting to counter my points or acknowledge them. As I made clear, you misunderstood my first post completely.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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It seems to me that this thread is just an excuse for someone to vent his anti-US feelings.

If Scotland can feel compassion for one who needlessly inflicted this much pain on so many, then I guess they get the compassion award of the decade.


On the ground, 11 Lockerbie residents were killed when the wing section hit 13 Sherwood Crescent at more than 800 km/h (500 mph) and exploded, creating a crater 47 metres (155 ft) long and with a volume of 560 m³ (730 yd³),[18] vaporizing several houses and their foundations, and damaging 21 others so badly they had to be demolished. Four members of one family, Jack and Rosalind Somerville and their children Paul and Lynsey, died when their house at 15 Sherwood Crescent exploded. A fireball rose above the houses and moved toward the nearby Glasgow–Carlisle A74 main road, scorching cars in the southbound lanes, leading motorists and local residents to believe that there had been a meltdown at the nearby Chapelcross nuclear power station. The only house left standing intact in the area belonged to Father Patrick Keegans, Lockerbie's Roman Catholic priest.[19]

For many days, Lockerbie residents lived with the sight of bodies in their gardens and in the streets, as forensic workers photographed and tagged the location of each body to help determine the exact position and force of the on-board explosion, by coordinating information about each passenger's assigned seat, type of injury, and where they had landed. Local resident Bunty Galloway told authors Geraldine Sheridan and Thomas Kenning (1993):

"A boy was lying at the bottom of the steps on to the road. A young laddie with brown socks and blue trousers on. Later that evening my son-in-law asked for a blanket to cover him. I didn't know he was dead. I gave him a lamb's wool travelling rug thinking I'd keep him warm. Two more girls were lying dead across the road, one of them bent over garden railings. It was just as though they were sleeping. The boy lay at the bottom of my stairs for days. Every time I came back to my house for clothes he was still there. 'My boy is still there,' I used to tell the waiting policeman. Eventually on Saturday I couldn't take it no more. 'You got to get my boy lifted,' I told the policeman. That night he was moved."

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Majestic23
Mate you are a walking stereotype, look at your sig, you are basically saying "torture in my name is ok!". You get like this whenever anyone even goes near America Ive seen it on other threads. Your only fallback is to insinuate other people are "cissies", and to constantly try to convince yourself that America can do no wrong. Spelling errors? Name calling? So what, do you have an argument or what?


Whatever. Empty the trash like your mom told you to.

And I'm the first to say that my country does a lot of things wrong. Unfortunately, here on ATS, that's all that's focused on. You rarely see anything good brought up. Oh well, I guess some people out there need a boogieman.


Originally posted by Majestic23
Oh yeah, your golden ticket "everyone whines when America doesant get involved". I swear Ive seen you use this argument loads of times. So where have you got that idea from? Who was whining that America wasnt getting involved?


Do a search on ATS about Myanmar. In May 2008, they had that cyclone hit them. Posters here were screaming, "The US MUST do something about this, regardless if they want the help or not."



Originally posted by Majestic23
Someone criticised your country, get over it. If you really cared about your country you would level the same criticism.

Great job on not attempting to counter my points or acknowledge them. As I made clear, you misunderstood my first post completely.


And I'm losing sleep over this. We've dragged this thread off topic far enough.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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Whatever indeed internet tough guy "porn star", you are such winner.

Keep up the cheap tactics and that chip on your shoulder, you are only showing your country in a poor light and confirming stereotypes.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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[b[Some things you might like to know about the Lockerbie disaster.

Firstly, a friend of mine was on that plane. He got off at Heathrow. He told me that on the flight over he was sat next to a US serviceman who was visibly nervous because there were rumours that a bomb was going to be on the plane.

Secondly, the Lockerbie crash had a lot of strange things going on at the crash site. For instance, there were reports from local police that people from London made it to the site so promptly it seemed like they had adcance notice.

Thirdly, it's widely rumoured (I think correctly) that taking the blame for the disaster allowed Gaddafi back into the international community, and so it seems like the guy is just a patsy

I'm sure that Hilary knows. I saw the video of her saying that he was convicted "on the evidence against him" and it looks like she's really shifty when she says that. She knows she's lying imo.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by rich23]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by rich23
[b[Some things you might like to know about the Lockerbie disaster.

Firstly, a friend of mine was on that plane. He got off at Heathrow. He told me that on the flight over he was sat next to a US serviceman who was visibly nervous because there were rumours that a bomb was going to be on the plane.

Secondly, the Lockerbie crash had a lot of strange things going on at the crash site. For instance, there were reports from local police that people from London made it to the site so promptly it seemed like they had adcance notice.

Thirdly, it's widely rumoured (I think correctly) that taking the blame for the disaster allowed Gaddafi back into the international community, and so it seems like the guy is just a patsy

I'm sure that Hilary knows. I saw the video of her saying that he was convicted "on the evidence against him" and it looks like she's really shifty when she says that. She knows she's lying imo.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by rich23]


do you think it was at all related to 9/11? when you think about it too, 1988 and 2001 are pretty close in time, and also around when the "new world order" stuff began.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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I don't think it was related to 9/11, except in the sense that it's to do with the consequences of US ME policy. But for whatever reason, people knew it was coming and didn't do anything about it.


CX

posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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Looks like he is definately going....

The Lockerbie bomber is being released from prison on compassionate grounds, the Scottish justice secretary has confirmed.
Source: Breaking News-Lockerbie bomber freed to go home



With all the calls from the US goverment to keep him locked up, does anyone else wonder if this will effect the way Gary McKinnon is treated over there?

I know they are totaly unrelated, but i get the feeling that because we didn't scratch the US's back this time, they might do the same with Gary McKinnon.

Just a thought.

CX.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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The police convoy is en route to collect Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi i as i type this...



[edit on 20/8/09 by blupblup]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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What a load of horse hockey!


Originally posted by rich23
I don't think it was related to 9/11, except in the sense that it's to do with the consequences of US ME policy. But for whatever reason, people knew it was coming and didn't do anything about it.


This is even worse.



[edit on 2009/8/20 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by RRconservative
In cases like this I would love to see 1 representative from each of the people killed on that flight to actually vote on his release. These are the people most affected by this decision. Not the USA, not Scotland. The victims should have a voice.


The judicial system is not a transnational democracy. There is apparently strong evidence to suggest this wasn't down to Libya but actually a retaliation against the US for shooting down an Iranian passenger jet a few years earlier.



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Office 4256
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England Prevails? At what? Oh, yes. Exporting young men to Latvia so they can urinate on public monuments. Great. Giving a pass to totally whacked out mullas in run-down London mosques who play bomber match maker while MI-5 picks their teeth. Selling everything in London that isn't nailed down to Russian Oligarchs who beat their wives in public.
England Prevails!


I'll counter those points -

Dumb American tourists with their stupid remarks/belittling of aeons of history.

Nation of Islam.

Not preventing 9/11.

Selling EVERYTHING to the Chinese whilst destablising and almost destroying the global economy.

Would you care to respond?



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