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Topic started on 19-8-2009 @ 12:41 PM by BingeBob

I consider myself to be somewhat of an educated fellow...Yet I cannot grasp why some people are complaining that protesters using crossed out swastikas and pictures of Obama with a Hitler moustache would somehow disgrace the rememberance of the holocaust.

en.wikipedia.org...

I have been watching the reports about the protests and have seen the signs that people are holding but the thought never crossed my mind that the signs had anything to do with the systematic elimination of the jewish people (amid others) during WWII.

As far as I could see, the signs in the protests were merely pointing out that under OBAMACARE we would be getting closer to a form of government that allowed such attrocities to occur.

The swastika is a well known scary symbol and if you chose to go with a picture of Mussolini or an italian flag people would scratch their heads and wonder if theres going to be spaghetti...But if you stick with swastikas then people know you are talking about socialism or facism.

Am I just not seeing it correctly or do you think that the DEMS are working the propaganda machine overtime to try and comp for losses in public opinion?

In closing I would just like to give a pat on the back of anyone else who was freaking out watching the election results when they said that our checks and balances system went out the window!

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 12:51 PM by thisguyrighthere

During the 2008 elections I took the Nazi Party's candidates platform and removed the bit about relocating non-whites and anti-gay stuff and presented it as a "platform we can all get behind." Nearly everyone I showed it to around New Haven, CT and on a few boards thought it was all great and the direction America should be going in.

Once they found out it was the platform of the Nazi's they all of course backtracked.

2008 Nazi Party Platform

So, maybe everyone really does want a Nazi America?

* Free Health-care
* Zero Interest Mortgage Loans
* No Foreclosure on Farms or Homes
* 5% Flat tax (no other taxes)
* A Strong Constitutional Republic
* A Strong Border Patrol
* Break wage-slavery
* No Outsourcing of American jobs
* Zero Unemployment
* Bring All the Troops Back Home
* Reduce the Work Week to 32 Hours
* No More Foreign Aid to Any Country
* A Strong Social Security System
* Reduce the Retirement Age to 55
* No Taxing of Overtime
* A Healthy Environment
* The Right to Bear Arms Without Government Intrusion

Edited out the racist stuff.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by thisguyrighthere]

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 12:57 PM by debunky

If you are confused ponder this:

Can a Nazi-Communist shoot himself in the streets and later brag to his mates about it over a beer?

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:06 PM by BingeBob

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Uhhhhh...i dont get it...

Is there a back story?

That guy that ran for pres in the 08 election just may have had something there...

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 02:29 PM by debunky

Backstory would be germany, late 20ies, early 30ies of the last century.
Maybe this can help you in your confusion:

YouTube Link

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 03:15 PM by BingeBob

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Yeah...still got nothin on the nazi shooting himself and then having a beer...

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 03:22 PM by drwizardphd

Originally posted by BingeBob

Yeah...still got nothin on the nazi shooting himself and then having a beer...

Because Nazi's were national socialist, which was a (typically) right-wing government. They hated Communists, and opposed economic liberalism. Socialism would be a good example of economic liberalism, which is why the term 'National Socialist' is considered a misnomer among political historians. It is generally maintained that the party name was used to misguide the people into an authoritarian rule structure.

As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, Democratic Socialism and liberalism.

The entire comparison of Nazi's to Socialists is laughable, because in spite of the name, they have close to nothing in common.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 04:30 PM by BingeBob

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Yes. I understand about the links of socialism and facism...I do not understand what the whole shooting ones self and then having a beer has to do with any of this...

Running with info provided on the wiki page...Looks like the nazi's used whatever would make them more powerful. They would take ideas from both the left and the right.

Most importantly any policies they used took individual rights away to adopt societal rights. "Everyone is the same...except for the government"

***SIDETRACK***Volkswagen "The Peoples Car" was literally made to be more fuel efficient and affordable to the working man. Adolf Hitler worked closely with Ferdinand Porche to make this a national car

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 05:08 PM by debunky

It's like explaining a joke. It isn't a joke anymore once you have to do that.

A communist nazi is as odd a creature as

A fashist socialist
An atheist roman catholic pope
A black white supremacist
A creationist who believes in evolution
etc...

The few times we had the chance to observe the behaviour of nazis meeting communists in the wild was in germany, late 20ies early 30ies. The result was street fighting, often lethal. (of course later when the wehrmacht met the red army the result wasn't tea and scones either)

So: My point is this: say obama is a nazi, fine. Say obama is a communist, fine as well. (preferably with arguments who validate the comparison)

But pick one! Those two things can't mix and doing it is frankly ridiculous.

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