Hey people ... there is something you should know.

We have a situation down here ... I will show you the evidence, yes, good. You will decide. It´s about the dangers of an super-greenhouse accelerator let out into the atmosphere by the greenhouse effect itself. It´s not ironic?

What is than ... methanhydrate: ... Methane hydrate.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Methane hydrate, also called methane ice or methan clathrate, consits of methane, which is enclosed in frozen water. The water molecules complete sourround the methane. Methane hydrate is a common constituent of the shallow marine (ocean) geosphere. First time discovered 1971 in Black Sea.

Importance and danger of methane hydrate
* It has been suggested that there may be deposits all over the world, which will have twice as much energie than we ever had with oil, gas and coal together. So this could be the alternative we are looking for, until there is a solution for no longer using fossil fuels (which are already running out) and nuclear energy.
Therefore methane is a powerful greenhouse gas. The sudden release of large amounts of so powerful natural gas from methane hydrate deposits has been hypothesized as a cause of past and possible future climate changes.

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Now that you were introduced to the idea I will show other evidences that a catastrophe is about to happen if we don´t do something with it.
The greatest extinction of life happend between Perm and Trias periods, thats about 260 milion years ago. It was this extinction that allowed dinosaurs to conquer over 80% of all ecological positions in the ecosystem. In this extiction over 95% of all living things (I don´t mean this only as different races of liforms.) in the air, on the ground and in the sea died.

Perfect explanation: Video on Youtube ... I have a problem with viewing.

If we go only to 5 to 6 degree celsius we can count with a rise of total 10 degrees. Southern scandinavia will become the next sahara desert.
Increase by 6 degrees: Video on youtube ... there is a problem with viewing.
For the last 2 years it has been increasing ...
1) Global warming = slowly but surly abou only 20% to 30% of all species will die. Allready happening.
2) In the meantime = Methan-hydrate (from now only MH) rises from the frozen state on the bottom of seas ... BBC News
... aciding the oceans to an unimaginable level.
3) Acid in the oceans kiling more than 85% of all live in them.
4) When the 5 degree mark is reached, so much MH is released that the ocean cannot hold it more in acidic form ... releasing it and dopping the global warming up to another 5 degree.
5) 10 degree doesn't looks as so much but this means that Greenland will have the climate like Greece today.

Most of todays MH is located on northern Russias coast: Spigel on Methan-hydrate

It is going on for some time now ... at least the scientist are monitoring it for two years now.

other things of interest:
Youtube ... Methane in permafrost.
other sources:
Potent Greenhouse gas ...
Runaway Methane Global warming

Thank you for reading.

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Hi,

Now that you were introduced to the idea I will show other evidences that a catastrophe is about to happen if we don´t do something with it.

And what would you suggest we do about it?
Create a scam corrupt carbon trading scheme, to make the Rothschild's lots of money and send everyone else back to the dark ages where they can be good slaves?
Clearly that would do nothing right?
They would pollute just the same amount and put the extra cost to pay for it onto everyday people right?
So what is a better idea you have?

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Hi,

Now that you were introduced to the idea I will show other evidences that a catastrophe is about to happen if we don´t do something with it.

And what would you suggest we do about it?
Create a scam corrupt carbon trading scheme, to make the Rothschild's lots of money and send everyone else back to the dark ages where they can be good slaves?
Clearly that would do nothing right?
They would pollute just the same amount and put the extra cost to pay for it onto everyday people right?
So what is a better idea you have?

Freeze it somehow, for example ... putting enough not-salt water into oceans and bring about a small iceage.

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Hi,

Now that you were introduced to the idea I will show other evidences that a catastrophe is about to happen if we don´t do something with it.

And what would you suggest we do about it?
Create a scam corrupt carbon trading scheme, to make the Rothschild's lots of money and send everyone else back to the dark ages where they can be good slaves?
Clearly that would do nothing right?
They would pollute just the same amount and put the extra cost to pay for it onto everyday people right?
So what is a better idea you have?

Or we can otherwise prepare for the catastrophe.

Yes but the last catastrophe didn't just involve this single event.
It was a Triple extinction event it was the Methane, an Asteroid AND Volcanic eruptions all at once.
And it would seem that we even survived that.
Although that is debatable perhaps we came here after that.
I say we build spaceships and move.
So your idea is to desalinate the oceans?
I think this would be a bit impossible.

Remember kids, any minor tweak to the environment makes major changes.

Desalinating the oceans would cause massive floral and faunal death, causing probably world starvation and a completely death of the ecosystem.

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Yes but the last catastrophe didn't just involve this single event.
It was a Triple extinction event it was the Methane, an Asteroid AND Volcanic eruptions all at once.
And it would seem that we even survived that.
Although that is debatable perhaps we came here after that.
I say we build spaceships and move.
So your idea is to desalinate the oceans?
I think this would be a bit impossible.

Yes I have seen this Discovery channel too. Asteroid impact = tectonic shockwaves to the opossite side of the Earth = trigering a float-basalt volcanic eruption in the Siberian traps = heating up the Earth killing 30% of living species on surface = releasing MH and aciding the oceans kiling 90% of all living things in the oceans = releasing mass quantities of methane into the atmosphere after the ocean loses its ability to hold it = heating even more up on the surface = killing the rest on the surface = ...

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
Remember kids, any minor tweak to the environment makes major changes.

Desalinating the oceans would cause massive floral and faunal death, causing probably world starvation and a completely death of the ecosystem.

But probably killing only less than a half of the oceanic ecosystem, if the situation would be dire it would be the best choice, Iam also sick from that , but I think that we were the ones that caused the melting of Mrthane hydrate, for the first time after nearly 260 milion years.

Well here is something you should really know - and is where all the methane probably comes from!


Now well shift a bit from mainstream science  whereas outside-of-the-box scholars present the following: The modern Earth can thus be seen as having a mobile interior of highly-reduced metal hydrides surrounded by a rigid lithosphere of metal and non-metal oxides and heavy gases. Now, they propose that the core is NOT likely to be mainly iron, but rather a mixture of high-pressure metal hydrides. Whereas its solid aspect being due to a phase change based primarily on pressure, because the change from within is endothermic (absorption of heat) chemical reactions, the crustal heat gradient CANNOT be extrapolated below the crust-mantle contact; thus, they maintain, the core may not be very hot.

Density and densification through hydride behavior can be taken as the key to endogeny (change from within), whereas porosity1 is usually thought of as empty space, this is never the case  rather, porosity is space that is occupied by any material that is less dense than surrounding material. In this, a mass in the interior that becomes less dense becomes buoyant, isostatically2 positive, and rises as a plume while the surrounding mass subsides to fill the vacated space  so, by this definition a plume volume is an example of porosity.

Plumes, under the spinning Earth forces, can ascend in the mantle and into the lithosphere until they reach oxidizing conditions and their hydrides dissociate or oxidize with a release of latent chemical energy, whereas they initiate magmatism, earthquakes, volcanism, with a result of the replacement of minerals. Following effects are such as mountain building, subsistence and surface rifting  it is in this way that hydride dissociation and oxidation have created and continue to create the lithosphere, expanding the Earth.

In other words, the lithosphere is then a global shield above a fluidic, hydridic, and steadily degassing inner geosphere  thus the lithosphere, atmosphere, and hydrosphere comprise al outer geosphere that has been incrementally constructed through geological time as hydrogen escaped into space.


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the best solution i can think of is to (responsibly) retrieve the CH4 and burn it into H2O and CO2 (much less effective GHG, right?). in return you get to heat your stuff and everyone is happy.

sounds like a better plan than burning food, doesn't it?

well, so far there appears to be little interest in actually harvesting these fields, f-ex. www.guardian.co.uk...

with GTL, one could even replace petroleum in fuel applications with a resource that is accessible to anyone with seaports rather than being forced to deal with a handful regimes holding the majority of deposits, of which many are organized in a cartel.

1970s - New Ice Age - we're gonna die
1980s - Acid Rain - we're gonna die
1990s - Hole in the Ozone Layer - seeing a pattern yet? We're gonna die
2000s - Global Warming due to CO2 - you guessed it! We're gonna die

I was wondering what the next decade will bring

2010s - Methane Hydrates - we're gonna die

Yeah, yeah, it's caused by global warming I know, yeah yeah probably never happened before, yeah yeah except wasn't it first detected before the Industrial Revolution in the 18th Century you say?

It's a racket, the sooner you accept that the earth self regulates and what we should be worried about is killing our water supplies with real pollutants the quicker we can get on with it.

Or maybe you're all on the side of big industry that wants to get away with pollution, via a few kickbacks of course, and laugh at us paying carbon taxes for a non existent 'pollutant'. The most dangerous of all gases is the hot air guff that comes out of Washington because that actually does kill people. If unsure, ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan in fact anyone who disagrees with US policy.

Anhydride Theory.


by C. Warren Hunt

The theory presented in this paper is a synthesis of the observable geology of petroleum
occurrences and new information on the ability of microfauna to generate petroleum from
methane. The paradigms of petroleum generation, anhydride theory, conventional diagenesis,
and cosmic or inner earth abiogenesis, are compared as to their relevant geology.

A theory to explain the occurrence of methane and petroleum in these situations can be evolved
from the fact that peat and kerogen comprise molecules in which carbon is partially oxidized. If
there is any slight ionization of these molecules, the carbon form must carry a slight positive
charge. By contrast, the carbon in methane effusing from the highly reduced environment of inner
earth is by definition reduced, and any slight ionization leaves the gas with a slight negative
charge. The negative charges of effusing methane are attracted to the positive charges on peat
and kerogen, and methane is drawn into the molecular fabric. Such methane when found in coal
seams and organic shales is seen to be captured, imported by magnetic attraction, and not
generated from indigenous carbon.

Methane effuses from earth's interior and to varying degrees pervades all crustal terranes,
crystalline, volcanic, and sedimentary. He points out that the energy from this methane can be
utilized by hyperthermophyllic bacteria and archaea, which obtain it by stripping away its
hydrogen. Dehydrogenated methane molecules can be defined as anhydrides, and their
recombinations as petroleum. Anhydrides of this origin are biologically-derived through
dehydrogenation of methane, and thus, are products of biogenesis by living, microbial organisms
rather than biogenesis of fossil biomass (kerogen). Treating coal as the "terminal anhydride"
classifies coalification also as a process of biogenesis by living organisms.

Microorganisms pervade fossil biomass. If it can be shown that they obtain their metabolic
energy from oxidizing hydrogen that they obtain by stripping it from methane, we could view the
stripped products, alkane hydrocarbons as organic in origin but not fossil. The terminal product of
stripped methane, pure carbon, is the main component of the purest coals and asphaltites. 1 .
Bacterially produced alkanes can thus be viewed as products not of the catagenesis of fossil
carbon but of contemporary biogenesis of the carbon that effuses as methane from the interior of
the Earth. The legacies of biodegradation in bacterially produced petroleum and coal would
comprise complex molecular residues such as proteins (porphyrins and others). Such molecules
are found in all petroleum and are frequently advanced as proof for an organic vs. an inorganic
(abiogenic) origin

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