Barney Frank goes toe to toe at health care town hall, page 2
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reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:48 PM by genius/idoit
reply to post by jam321


sorry to misrepresent your post you did say you give him credit not admire but my point remains, I don't think he did it because of his integrity, I think he did it because he felt he could handle the unwashed masses.again my apologies


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:48 PM by genius/idoit
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edit; double post


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reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:54 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by detachedindividual
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Something strikes me about these meetings...

In the UK, if any of our regionally elected officials spoke to their public like that, they'd be chased out of the building and forcibly removed from their position.



Are you saying it is customary to sit back and take verbal abuse at a town hall?



Just look at our recent "expenses scandal". People were hounded into resignation because of their actions, they didn't argue in the street, they didn't insult their public, they certainly tried to ignore us, but not in such a flagrant manner.

It's just insane disrespect.



Anytime anyone shouts at another with pejoratives it is disrespect. It goes both directions.



Over and over I've seen the same thing, your officials insulting people, telling them their point is not relevant, their opinion doesn't count, they are not worthy of a response. The British people simply wouldn't take that.


This is no where near "The American People". This is a small subset of people who are simply attempting to derail the town hall process.




One of them, I forget her name, even blatantly ignored the people and had a conversation on her phone!
This is insane!



Yeah, that was rather funny. I have no idea what the context was on that though.



What the hell is going on in your country when your elected officials can act like this and the people just accept it?


Don't forget... people applauded this. Many of us support this. There are many who don't as well.. but keep in mind that Barney Frank is speaking for those of his constituents who want the healthcare reform. This isn't a people vs the gov thing no matter how much the protesters and fox news try to make it out to be that way.


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:56 PM by genius/idoit
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your rebuttals are valid.I was mistaken on the points I made,I assure you I will review the material more closely in the future,although I hardly think those are the important points of the meeting.


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 02:02 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by jam321
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post by HunkaHunka



You want to be able to yell at a congressman without him yelling back. That's just unrealistic.


It is realistic. Barney Frank should have taken the high road. He had no reason to ask the lady what planet...blah blah. He should have acted with class and told the lady that he politely had to disagree with her.

As Congressman, Franks need to be held to a higher standard IMO.


Barney Frank is a Jew, and she asked him why he was voting for Nazi policies.

I can see why that steamed him up.



reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 02:14 PM by Wimbly
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All of your video below was shown on CNN today. There was no spinning or editing. They showed all of this... and more actually.


This is what I saw several times today:



This was clearly edited to be a puff piece for Frank. Why does a man with such a checkered past, continue to get such a pass? The man works for those people, not the other way around. There were some legitimate questions that he responded to with insults and summary dismissal, because he knows his pals in the MSM are going to spin in his favor.


And Barney was right to say that having a conversation with her would be like having one with the dining room table.


No actually, he doesn't. He works for the people and has no right to insult these people. You cannot just dismiss everyone because there are a couple rowdy people. They have a right to be. Frank and the democrats have controlled congress since 2006! Where are the results?

What's funny is that the local news here actually left out was the comments he was responding to. For example, the lady he called the equivalent of a dining room table had just asked him why he was voting for Nazi policies, but they didn't show that did they?

Though I have to admit, even the reporter said that "it was mostly substance sprinkled with some silliness."


Is this really something new? Where were all of you during the last 8 years? It was quite common for Bush to be compared to Hitler and a fascist for his policies. What has changed? Why do you think the rules for discourse has suddenly changed? Democrats set the bar for how the party out of power acts and now you don't like it. Barney Frank is completely surrounded by the kind of groups that drummed up that sort of dissent.

Was he crass? Only as crass as the lady who was speaking to him. When he was shouted at, he responded in kind.


Hes an elected representative of the people! He is not the royal dictator he and you seem to think he is.



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reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 02:34 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by Wimbly
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post by HunkaHunka


Hes an elected representative of the people! He is not the royal dictator he and you seem to think he is.
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And he represents my voice. Just because he doesn't represent your stance, doesn't mean he isn't appropriately representing mine.

Or are you under the assumption that your stance is the only valid one?


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 03:06 PM by genius/idoit
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If bawny fwank wepwesents your voice could you please explain why your in favor of a government controlled version of health care?And please don't say the insurance companies have a monopoly on it there are far more than one Ins. co.
edit ;why haven't I been called an anti semite yet?I am saying the same things about Bawney fwank as I say about obama yet in virtually every one of those threads I'm called a racist?

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reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 07:40 PM by genius/idoit
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good luck getting an answer out of this guy



reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 07:43 PM by Gorman91
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I beg to question why he says illegals won't be cared for when federal law demands emergency care for anyone regardless.

I for one actually support caring for illegals in exchange for a small fine, forced registration, and semi-mandatory English classes. This more then pays for itself in the illegal's ability to get a job and freely converse and interact at his job by being able to speak English and being registered. He can clime the corporate ladder and get money to spend and fill the economy.


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 07:51 PM by genius/idoit
reply to post by Gorman91

sounds reasonable to me.Anythings better than the way it is now (regarding illegals)everythings free no strings attached


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 09:33 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by HunkaHunka




I love how rational thought can rebuke disruptive yelling.


It didn't... Barny yelling at the people only made them madder.. if he didn't give half ass non-answers to the questions they probably wouldn't interrupt.. But yelling at them in a condescending way made him come off as a royal prick.. I hate how no politician can seem to answer a question..

Mr. Frank tried to avoid the meetings, then decides to do one for publicity, then tries to act like Mr. Macho and ended up failing worse than if he just let the angry people be angry and yell at him.


reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 09:35 PM by Rockpuck
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I beg to question why he says illegals won't be cared for when federal law demands emergency care for anyone regardless.


Because he's a liar.. he thought that's what people wanted to hear, so he said it. In all actually illegals receive free care now, they will receive free care under the new plan as well.

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Well put, and my feelings are the same regarding that creeper.
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