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Barney Frank goes toe to toe at health care town hall

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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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Barney Frank goes toe to toe at health care town hall


edition.cnn.com

"You want me to talk about it or do you want to yell?" he asked over and over when interrupted while trying to answer. Continued shouting brought a sterner rebuke.

"Disruption never helps your cause," he said more than once. "It just looks like you're afraid to have rational discussion."
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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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I love how rational thought can rebuke disruptive yelling.

No one ever solves anything when they are yelling and shouting. What was hilarious in this situation, was that someone would say something like "We'll end up paying for illegal immigrants!" And he said no, they have been excluded from this to which some yelled back "READ THE BILL!". At which point he did. He picked up the Bill and read the section which specifically stated illegal immigrants were excluded.

Democrazy is a wonderful thing!





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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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I like when he said "why are you trusting the government? This is a democracy, take initiative for yourself." Funny because "initiative for yourself" in a democracy is always crushed by mob rule.

Who keeps electing Frank? Why does he keep running if he knows and admits government isnt to be trusted?



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I like when he said "why are you trusting the government? This is a democracy, take initiative for yourself." Funny because "initiative for yourself" in a democracy is always crushed by mob rule.

Who keeps electing Frank? Why does he keep running if he knows and admits government isnt to be trusted?


Because the best antidote to free speech is more free speech.

It's the same with gov. If you don't trust them... run for office.

You know, Lead, Follow, or get the hell out of the way!



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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Getting out of the way isnt an option. If you move out of the way sooner or later you're rounded up and tossed into a prison or shot for not paying into the system you got out of the way of.

You have to buy into the corruption and lead or give up and follow. There is no "out of the way." Not yet.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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You can only exclude illegal immigrants if you can properly identify them. The majority have paid handsomely for forged paperwork, fake ss#'s drivers licenses etc.

The hospital system is bogged down now and it will only get worse under federal management. These people will always find a way to slip through the cracks of our bureaucracy.


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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka


I love how rational thought can rebuke disruptive yelling.




LOL!

Ironically, this is another example of CNN editing and spinning footage to suit their needs. Barney Frank was anything but "rational", attacking anyone who dared ask him a tough question. Its funny that you posted this, because I was just saying how CNN edited their footage in order to mislead the viewer.

This is what Barney Frank was really like.



Who would anyone trust this guy? He ran a gay brothel out of his apartment, helped create the housing loan crisis and now hes insulting the Americans who employ him.




[edit on 19-8-2009 by Wimbly]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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so let me get this straight,your saying Barney Frank handled that well?really?do you realize Frank has a microphone and the people don't?how can they be heard over that mush mouth without yelling?And by the way turning the debate from health care to volume control is called deflection,an old trick.Even for you this is a stretch,or should I say stwetch?



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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Sure the crowd was angry and yelling, but have you ever listened to that guy talk? I have the pleasure on the reg because i live in RI and we get Mass news so i hear and read about it in teh papers and tv, and also on WEEIO Sports talk radio, they have a news discussion in the morning and they tackle political type issues in teh news. I heard this Barney Frank rant this morning, and now have followed it up with some video and articles.

This guy is a sleazeball, he's part of Team Obama, a puppet amonst the rest of the cast of puppets. This is the guy we have at the . of the House Financial Committee, I've always said to myself when i watch these clowns on C-span, how does a guy like this have such an influential position, he's a moron with a moral compass that couldn't navigate across a bathtub. He's just another sleazy politician taking the punishment for Team Obama so they can further their agenda.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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I saw the Barney Frank meeting on the news, he was acting like an Idiot.

He no only make himself look like and Idiot but also won some enemies in the process.

He was confrontational because he didn't have any control from the beginning.

After the the town hall circus was over a reported asked him some questions, he answer back like he was still fighting with the crowd.


The reported just stood there and make frank look more stupid.


Don't get me wrong is nice to see our for the people corrupted morons making a joke of themselves.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Democrazy is a wonderful thing!

OMG I love that! Democrazy.
That's perfect!

As for Barney Frank. I saw the exchange. Barney Frank came out looking pretty pathetic. Sorry HunkaHunka... but the fact is that illegals are getting tons of free health care now and under Obamacare they'll continue to be leeching off our tax money. Frank failed to state how he'd be able to keep the illegals from getting Obamacare.

Side note - considering that Barney Frank has blood on his hands with his big part in the economic crisis .. I can't say that I'd believe much of anything he's got to say anyways.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Regardless of what I think of Barney Frank, I got to give him credit for stepping up to the plate and having a town hall meeting.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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While I understand what you are saying,I would feel the same way if I thought he was doing this out of courage or conviction of his beliefs,that being said I don't.I believe frank,pelos,reed and obama have uncontrollable egos they can't stay away from the camera and are so arrogant they can't believe we don't just roll over and take it.The quality you are admiring is in your mind,because you are a decent person but there is nothing admirable about frank's reasons for having his town hall,it's hubris def.


hu·bris (hybrs) also hy·bris (h-) n. Overbearing pride or presumption; arrogance:



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Wimbly

Originally posted by HunkaHunka


I love how rational thought can rebuke disruptive yelling.



LOL!

Ironically, this is another example of CNN editing and spinning footage to suit their needs.

LOL indeed...

All of your video below was shown on CNN today. There was no spinning or editing. They showed all of this... and more actually.


Barney Frank was anything but "rational", attacking anyone who dared ask him a tough question.


The lady didn't ask a tough question. The lady he made the dining room table comment about had asked him "Why are you voting for Nazi policies?".

And Barney was right to say that having a conversation with her would be like having one with the dining room table.




Its funny that you posted this, because I was just saying how CNN edited their footage in order to mislead the viewer.


What's funny is that the local news here actually left out was the comments he was responding to. For example, the lady he called the equivalent of a dining room table had just asked him why he was voting for Nazi policies, but they didn't show that did they?

Though I have to admit, even the reporter said that "it was mostly substance sprinkled with some silliness."



This is what Barney Frank was really like.



Who would anyone trust this guy? He ran a gay brothel out of his apartment, helped create the housing loan crisis and now hes insulting the Americans who employ him.
[edit on 19-8-2009 by Wimbly]



There was huge debate even amongst the attendees...

And this was exactly what needed to happen.


I support Barney Frank on this issue. Was he crass? Only as crass as the lady who was speaking to him. When he was shouted at, he responded in kind.




[edit on 19-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
so let me get this straight,your saying Barney Frank handled that well?really?do you realize Frank has a microphone and the people don't?


Actually the people did have a microphone.

And if I was your congressman, and you asked me why I was voting on Nazi policies, I would react in the same way. Many applauded.





how can they be heard over that mush mouth without yelling?And by the way turning the debate from health care to volume control is called deflection,an old trick.Even for you this is a stretch,or should I say stwetch?



Barney Frank opened the floor for questions, and he answered each in kind. If you loaded a question with pejoratives, it would come back at you as such. If you asked a question in such a way that you wanted to have an honest discussion, then he would engage you.


You simply want to have it both ways. You want to be able to yell at a congressman without him yelling back. That's just unrealistic.




[edit on 19-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Something strikes me about these meetings...

In the UK, if any of our regionally elected officials spoke to their public like that, they'd be chased out of the building and forcibly removed from their position.

Just look at our recent "expenses scandal". People were hounded into resignation because of their actions, they didn't argue in the street, they didn't insult their public, they certainly tried to ignore us, but not in such a flagrant manner.

It's just insane disrespect.

Over and over I've seen the same thing, your officials insulting people, telling them their point is not relevant, their opinion doesn't count, they are not worthy of a response. The British people simply wouldn't take that.

One of them, I forget her name, even blatantly ignored the people and had a conversation on her phone!
This is insane!


What the hell is going on in your country when your elected officials can act like this and the people just accept it?

I completely baffles me.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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The quality you are admiring is in your mind,because you are a decent person but there is nothing admirable about frank's reasons for having his town hall,it's hubris def.


You lost me
I never said admire. I said I give him credit for doing what a lot of Dems won't do.


How he did at the meeting is a total different story.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

What the hell is going on in your country when your elected officials can act like this and the people just accept it?


For every person a politician tosses aside there is a constituent behind that politician cheering. The more they ignore and belittle the opposing view the more their own supporters rally.

It's nothing more than apes throwing poo and stones.

Just about every bit of legislation that passes in the U.S. has nothing to do with making anyone's life better. It's always about "sticking" it to your opposition. Moves to ban guns arent about keeping anyone safe. Statistics have shown that for decades. It's just about "winning one for the team." Same with consumption laws, wealth redistribution, "safety" laws like helmets on bikes and seatbelts in cars. None of these laws change anyones behavior. They just serve to "stick it" to the opposition.

Ever wonder why none of these laws or measures make us more free? Or why laws always serve to restrict and limit while crime/accidents/corruption remain unchanged decade after decade despite the ever growing list of laws allegedly designed to protect and make safe?

Some people out there would ban oxygen from the atmosphere if they thought their opposition would die first so they their last gasp could be "ha, we got you."



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
Regardless of what I think of Barney Frank, I got to give him credit for stepping up to the plate and having a town hall meeting.



I totally agree! Harry Reid doesn't have the balls to do it in NV. He's having a 'tele-town hall'. I wonder if it's because we have so many gun-toters in our state of if he REALLY wants this to be productive.

I betting on the former rather than the latter.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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You want to be able to yell at a congressman without him yelling back. That's just unrealistic.


It is realistic. Barney Frank should have taken the high road. He had no reason to ask the lady what planet...blah blah. He should have acted with class and told the lady that he politely had to disagree with her.

As Congressman, Franks need to be held to a higher standard IMO.



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