Stan Romanek releases his alien footage in Youtube and ABC

reply to post by Stanswife


Helloes ...

Would it be possible for Stan to register himself, with admin's assurance that it is him, so that the membership can discuss his video and ask questions themselves?

Alternatively, ATS has recently launched ATSNews of which myself and several other members are in the "press corps." Perhaps an interview can be arranged ... if that is something you/he would be interested in I am sure senior staff will be more than happy to arrange it.

Thanks and welcome to ATS.

reply to post by Before2017Victor


Found this video when researching films and videos. though was coo too

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reply to post by ziggyproductions05


Not at all, happy to discuss this.

When something looks too good to be true, it normally is.

To me, I have two key areas that I must present as the reason why I think this video is fake:

1- Logic. To me it doesn't make any sense that a far advanced alien species, that can travel through space (and possibly time) can't spy on us without using childish "techniques". They don't even peep from the side with less risk of being exposed, he actually raises his head (I seriously doubt that he doesn't know the actual size of his head) and even get's in a dangerous position (if Stan had a shotgun, that could end pretty wrong if you were an alien).

It doesn't make any sense to me, honestly. Looks like what someone joking around, or a child, would do. Not an alien that can shut down cars, cross space and abduct people...

2- The things you see that don't seem real.

His head movement. You don't see his neck turning accordingly with his head. Actually, he seems unable to turn his head, just the body, that's why it looks like a puppet..

You could argue that "how can I know that this alien has some physical limitation in movement?"... Well, the answer to that is how fast he can hide after being spotted.

If he can't move his head properly because he's fragile or something like that, then why he is able to move that fast? You can't agile in 50% of your body and not in the rest. You're agile or you aren't. You can't duck and jump fast, and run away fast, but at the same time can't even move the head properly without braking your neck.

Thus... To me it looks like a puppet. It lacks natural movement.

Originally posted by Tifozi
His head movement. You don't see his neck turning accordingly with his head. Actually, he seems unable to turn his head, just the body, that's why it looks like a puppet..

Maybe his neck is not as flexible as a human neck, in the same way that our neck is not as flexible as a bird's neck.

reply to post by ArMaP


Yeah, I know. But that's not my point.

For example, pigs have low flexibility on their neck, they can't look up properly, but if you see one moving his head, you see that the rest of the body respondes to that movement, because you have to move muscles in order to move the head, it's part of the whole body.

But in this case the neck looks solid, and that, despite all the hypothetic scenearios we can create, doesn't make much sense to me, doesn't look anatomicly correct.

We can analyze their evolution based on ours. For example, there is a study that shows that humans that live in modern cities will loose the fingers on the outside of the hand and the ones in the inside part will grow, and this started to happen around the higher use of computers (not the same as writting machines).

So, according to that, it makes sense that they only have those 3 fingers (reported by many sightings), but you can't find explanations for that lack of head movement.

I think that the best representation of an alien is made on Stargate with the Asgard species, and although he has a small neck, is still capable of moving the head.

You either have a functional neck because it has to move and support the weight of the head, or you don't have a neck at all, and you can even see that on our nature.


...but, if you think that is a puppet, it makes a lot of sense that it can't move his head, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Tifozi
...but, if you think that is a puppet, it makes a lot of sense that it can't move his head, doesn't it?

Yes, and I have trying to remember an animal with a "stiff neck" and I can't think of any, the only animals that come to my mind that have a rigid head do not have neck.

Edit: corrected "beck" to "neck".

[edit on 21/8/2009 by ArMaP]

I can't see boo's neck in the video, I can only see his head.

Originally posted by Tifozi
Logic. To me it doesn't make any sense that a far advanced alien species, that can travel through space (and possibly time) can't spy on us without using childish "techniques".

Yep, many pointed this out as well.

If he can't move his head properly because he's fragile or something like that, then why he is able to move that fast? You can't agile in 50% of your body and not in the rest.

Yes, it doesn't make sense that this species have large eyes (obviously for some reason good situation awareness is ultra important to them), and yet they can't move the head to make use of that vision. It looked like a head on a stick, and wager it was just that.

reply to post by Crayfish


That's true, but we can see that head becomes thinner to the bottom, and that, usually, means a neck at the end.

reply to post by ArMaP


I can see that, but if the narrowest part we see is the alien's "chin", it means we can't see the neck at all in order to determine whether it's moving or not.

You just seem to be putting a lot of weight into the fact that the neck doesn't move. If you can't see the neck, how can you tell it's not moving?

Originally posted by ArMaP
Yes, and I have trying to remember an animal with a "stiff neck" and I can't think of any, the only animals that come to my mind that have a rigid head do not have beck.

Sharks don't have neck.

Actually, all the animals that don't have neck have the "face" in front of the body (for example, snakes and sharks).

All the other animals that have neck, have the face in a 90º angle (more or so depending on the animal) from the body.

The exceptions are reptiles. For example, crocodiles. But again, if they move their head/neck you see the relation head-body in the movement.

Originally posted by Crayfish
I can't see boo's neck in the video, I can only see his head.

You don't need to see it.

Your spine isn't positioned on the center of your head, it's on the back, so when you turn your head moving the neck, your face moves in a certain angle, but if you rotate your body it'll move in another angle.

That happens because you are not only moving your head, you're actually rotating your whole back, which gives a different movement dynamic. And I can say so because once I had a crash and hurted my neck badly and my head movement was very weird.

Another things that determines your head movement and turn is your eyes. It's not the head that moves the eyes/sight. It's the eyes that point the head, it just happens so fast you can perceive it. But if you want an example, look how falcons and eagles move their head.

Dunno if I explained myself correctly, but I think it's easy to understand.

Also, neck movement keeps your head stable and the move is smooth. That doesn't happen if you rotate your body.

Look at the ballet dancers. They focus their eyes on one point and you can see their heads perfectly aligned so they don't feel sick from rotation. Your neck is very important so you can absorve the movement of your body so you don't see the world go up and down while walk/run, etc.

Picking animal examples again, look for cheetas while chasing a gazelle. Their head is perfectly still while they are running at enourmous speeds. That because they need to stabilize their vision. Your neck is like a suspension for your senses.

EDIT:

Another thing...

If you are looking into something, and you need to tilt your body back/forward(like peeping into a window) you need to adjust your face with the "horizon" so you don't get yourself looking into the celling(sorry for bad english). That can't won't happen if you have a *good* neck.

[edit on 21/8/09 by Tifozi]

[edit on 21/8/09 by Tifozi]

Originally posted by Sam60
It's a truly bizarre case.

Why would someone make such a seemingly obvious hoax?

Is it possible Romanek thought he really could make a lot of bucks out of the whole thing?

Perhaps he has &/or will....

When this story broke a couple of years ago, Romanek said that he couldn't show the real video because scientists are analyzing it as part of a documentary (translated: he sold the rights to the video and wasn't allowed to show it).

Now it's a few years later, and the documentary was never made (perhaps because the video provides no evidence that this was a real ET), so it seems that Romanek once again has the rights to show the video. Perhaps whoever bought the rights to the video only had the rights for a finite period of time.

One thing is for certain...all the publicity surrounding this very inconclusive video (and obviously a hoax, IMO)probably helped the sales of his books.


[edit on 8/21/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]