Makavelianism: Is tupac amaru shakur, aka jamal millwood using the world as a stage?

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posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Open to constructive criticism. Sorry i didnt write down all the specific dates, but i just want to get the ball rolling... since there has been alot of Controversy about Mr. Shakur's death, or death for the lack thereof.

Aliasas:
-Shakur
-Makaveli ( a new generation version, of the old generations first "Modern Man" in reguards to politics)
-Jamal Millwod
-Blac Haze

When 2pac was in jail for supposedly molesting a woman at a party, he picked up the works of Niccoli Machiavelli; The Prince, and The Art of War. In the Art of War, Machiavelli speaks of faking his own death, to avenge his enemies (after getting shot previously 5 times in new york, he continued to live on... Incredible, or does god have a higher plan for him?).

2Pac Was Released Only on Bail-He was released ON BAIL in 1996 pending an appeal. There was a possibility he would be sent back to jail. This is another plus of faking your death. You wouldn't have 2 go back 2 jail. He changes his name to Makeveli, and records The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day theory, Once again based upon the Art of War, and the 7 different Books within the Art of war, which all had different dialogue situations. Kind of appropriate with our failing economy/govt and the mention of New world order (Killuminati), he would definitely make a great president.... *cough*2012*cough*.

September 1996 in Las Vegas after a Mike Tyson fight, Pac and the owner of his record label Suge Knight, hop into Suges 750IL Bmw, and head off to a "Party" On the way there Pac gets shot. With all those photographers leaving the Tyson fight... How come there werent any to capture any photos of the two, other than the one famous photo of pac with a worried look on his face in front of the place the fight took place:
www.rockandrollbadboy.com...
When Pac was shot in New York, there were tons of Photographers on hand with plenty of pictures, but now that he is "killed" in Vegas, there is only one, even after an incredible Tyson fight?

Tupac is supposedly residing in Cuba ( i had a "Fungus" trip not too long ago, in which i made a series of drawing that led me to believe tupac was still alive. I'm not sure if this was a spiritual message, or just what i wanted to be true in my heart). He is supposedly going under the name Jamal Millwod, and he is releasing his new work, under a Lip Sync Artist being called "Blac Haze". Not sure how many of you are familiar with 2pacs lyrics, and can identify his voice properly, but i can.. www.youtube.com... se

The infamous 2pac autopsy photo that convinced many, even me back in the day, that he was dead.. The autopsy information was all wrong, it said he was 6 foot tall , and 215 lbs... nowhere close to tupacs actual stature. Also the Autopsy photos weren't taken correct, according to many autopsians .
Youtube proof:www.youtube.com...

Pacs remains were to be buried at a traditional funeral, like he always wanted (even wrote about it in his song " Life goes on" from the All Eyez on me album), yet his funeral was for some unknown reason immediately cancelled, and his remains were cremated... A Day after his passing? Is this typical conditions for a murder victim, for all their remains/proof to be disposed of? Do any doctors even have knowledge of him being in the hospital and passing in his death bed?

Article showing he could be laying low, and possibly playing the alternative life video game (i know im a wow addict, i swear its like real life
Many other celebs play this game also, probably to duck out of their ever so high-caliber lives).weeklyworldnews.com...

# orf albums released since his death under Tupacs name:
cdn-www.cracked.com...




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Also im sure alot of Pac followers are familiar with the repition of 7 in all the happenings. Im not going to give you critics more material than i already have, haha, but pac is supposed to return in 2014 ( 2 + 0 + 1 + 4 = 7) and pac will be 43 (4 + 3 = 7). Some people say Niccoli Machiavelli faked his death at the same age as Pac passed at 25, and returned at 43... interesting, but i cant find proof other than a theory that Niccoli Machiavelli only wrote about death, and no actual fake death was performed.


Im going to leave the rest of this thread up to ATS, sorry its a scattered mess, but i tried to throw something together while trying to apply for a job online. If you want to shoot it down, or hopefully share some knowledge of this revolutionary leader (he did after all preach about doing the right thing, unconditional love, and positively influenced MILLIONS of listeners, still to this day).

Artists have many ways to interpret their philosophy in the forms of writing, painting, sculpting, writing song lyrics, or just even having Timeless quotes ( my iphone app reminds me of this
)


Ill try to add some more stuff later, my minds been pretty scattered lately, and its been hard to organize all this, and get to the bottom of it, sitting behind my computer with no cash to travel. Darn. So much for my Life goal : |. And i apologize for the scattered cluttered style of this thread, i kind of wrote out some ideas on a notepad, my iphone, and my computer and compiled them here... Heres one more youtube video showing tupac next to a 2003 mustang... thats a 7 year gap. Theres that dang 7 again.
www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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I know the whole Tupac story...

He was a lyrical intellect like no other; Philosopher of the Streets.
But.. to answer your question:

No. lol



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Well you know the tupac story, we all do . From a media standpoint that is. We all know what the media is worth. Reporting the obvious like missing children, fires, and obvious natural disasters. Everything else should be taken with a grain of salt.... Or in this case, the whole salt shaker


Are you familiar with what Cat Stevens aka YUSUF did... He went away for a very long period of time, on a spiritual trip, and came back a changed man. Even though the circumstances are different, everyone needs to get away sometimes. Some people think small, cuz thats what they can afford, and leave the state, some leave the continent...

[edit on 19-8-2009 by TheFaiThfulSkepTic]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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I guess it's possible, but I don't buy it. He would have organized his accounts and estate much better if he'd planned it. Way I remember it, his money was tied up under litigation for years. Suge Knight, Death Row and his sperm donor dad all wanted some. Afeni Shakur ultimately got the majority of his estate with Knight keeping percentages on a half dozen records. I've still got the Makevelli record on original cassette in a box in the attic.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by TheFaiThfulSkepTic
 
I guess it's possible, but I don't buy it. He would have organized his accounts and estate much better if he'd planned it. Way I remember it, his money was tied up under litigation for years. I've still got the Makevelli record on original cassette in a box in the attic.




Well if you think about it.... was Pac ever a greedy man? By the way he was raised and his morals, i think he would want to share whatever he could in any possible way.

After all, in death, he was able to get the best of every world. Safety for him and his peers, for his enemies dropping all the beef that Pac had inadvertently got himeself into, and learned the proper way to live before it was too late...

He found a way to make millions and millions of dollars, just based off of his name, not off of Death Rows Record label by producing music... But selling the idea of his death, and his forever lasting impression that if you buy his clothing line, and if you buy something that captures what pacs life was about, you, the fans, would feel somewhat relieved that you are doing the right thing. I know i do when i buy his clothing.

Also not to mention, i believe There is a Performing Arts College or something to that nature In Greensboro , North Carolina. Aww yess heres the link to it

TASF(Tupac Amarua Shakur Foundation): www.tasf.org...

Kind of weird that tupac was from the west coast... (Tupac actually lived in a town i was born in, Santa Rosa California, which kind of made me wonder why you never heard him rap about Santa rosa... and spiked my brain with the undying curiousity)...Yet his foundation is on the EXACT opposite part of the country where his fanbase is centralized...


:
roooolll:: i would give up my first born for that makeveli albums (please take it, i dont want any kids... hahahaha)

If someone can add anything to this thread please do... i would greatly appreciate your time and efforts



posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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I have a couple people u2uing me about this article, plz just post here if u feeel comfortable enough. Any help that yo ucan provide i would like to give u credit 4!

Skepticism welcome



posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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I have a couple people u2uing me about this article, plz just post here if u feeel comfortable enough. Any help that yo ucan provide i would like to give u credit 4!

Skepticism welcome



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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I dont think the increasingly common occurence of UFO sightings and the everso impending date of december 2012 have nothing to do with the amount of conspiracys, including this one, that are going to be unravelling before us.... Michael jacksons "death" with lack of substantial physical evidence to prove Michael Jackson and Mr Shakurs death are too defined to be ignored.



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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I think in this case the most obvious answer is probly the right one. That very night he was seen on camera participating in the jumping of a known crip in the casino/hotel lobby. I'm sure that didn't sit well w/ the crip, and he retured w/ his own bust a cap justice. The man is dead, let him be.

The day Tupac returns will be the day elvis, nibiru and the annunaki return aswell



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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If Tupac is dead, his music and influence continues to live on. "He's the man!"
If Tupac is alive, his music and influence continues to live on. "He's the man!"

You get what I'm saying?


NWO can shut the F^!!



posted on Aug, 28 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by -NewSense-
I think in this case the most obvious answer is probly the right one.



The most obvious answer is the one portrayed to us by the media, but the factual evidence, or lack thereof (his body being cremated, the fake autopsy photos to give the non skeptics something to believe in) is what leaves the gray area trailing behind this theory.



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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The whole 2pac conspiracy is one of those i always keep an eye on,i was a fan back in the day & really believed he was dead but if you read the whole is he alive isn't he story does spread the seeds of dought in your mind.


[edit on 29-8-2009 by rhynouk]



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 05:28 AM
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LOVE your weekly world news link....


Tupac's face stuck on someone else' body is hilarious


This one weeklyworldnews.com...

[edit on 29/8/09 by blupblup]



posted on Aug, 29 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
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LOVE your weekly world news link....


Tupac's face stuck on someone else' body is hilarious


This one weeklyworldnews.com...

[edit on 29/8/09 by blupblup]



Error 404, contribution to thread not found. Keep editing your posts until you are forced to think harder.
I just posted it because it gave another reference to the jamal millwood alias. I didnt say i agreed with all these internet theories.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Hey man, im with you on this, i too think he is still alive, what im interested in is the youtube video that you linked, the one of tupac in the 2003 mustang, it says in the info that there is a website that you can type in peoples names to look at their death certificates, is there any way you can link me to this? Thanks man


Peace



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by GezinhoKiko
Hey man, im with you on this, i too think he is still alive, what im interested in is the youtube video that you linked, the one of tupac in the 2003 mustang, it says in the info that there is a website that you can type in peoples names to look at their death certificates, is there any way you can link me to this? Thanks man
Peace

Heres some research i have doen
I did a little research on pacs adolescence, and found his original name, and why he was renamed.

Then i found this article, about NO DEATH CERTIFICATE, no death records by the government, for Tupac in either his legal name or his , renaming. YET BIGGY was found on these records to be deceased.
www.forum.thugz-network.com...

Thanks for motivating me to dig further, wasnt sure there were any believers left. Im glad i am wrong.


Quoted from a Cathy scott biography about 2Pacs life. The book had a picture of 2pac with suge in suges Bmw, taking off from the tyson fight. Some would call this the last photo of Tupac alive. I wouldn't.:
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"Tupac Shakur, born Lesane Parish Crooks in June 1971, was raised by Afeni Shakur, a radical Black Panther who represented herself in a murder case in the late 1960s and won. His mother renamed him Tupac Shakur after Tupac Amaru II, an Incan revolutionary."
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Then i did some wiki research on tupac amaru II:

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"The Spanish Viceroy rounded up the royal descendants. Several dozen, including Túpac Amaru's three-year-old son, were banished to Mexico, Chile, Panama and elsewhere. Some of them were allowed to return home and a descendant of Túpac Amaru, José Gabriel Condorcanqui (Túpac Amaru II), was to lead an indigenous uprising in 1780 against continued Spanish presence in Peru. "
===========Heres the full article about tupac amaru, he was an Inca leader of which his tribe truely and deeply loved...en.wikipedia.org...=============================

So tupacs mother just went out and renamed her son, after an incredible Inca warriors descendent... I wonder if this was a modern day representation of Tupac being the second of his father who was "never around for him". And Afeni Shakur was saying that Tupac would bring our nation to a modern day uprising, just as Gabriel Condorcanqui did in 1780.
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Heres an addition to my Conspiracy Theory:
In order for Tupac Shakur to fulfil his destiny (the one his mom gave him by renaming him after Condorcanqui) he had to get more attention than just being the best selling rapper/hip hop artist ever (73 mill record +). He had to do the impossible. He had to take on yet again another Alias, Makeveli. By doing this, he was leaving incredibly large clues, to himself to fake his death, and thus have more Media focusing on his new clue, renaming himself to Makeveli, to get his point across in the strongest way possible. When he comes back, in theory, he will have the world at his feet, every word will be as if it was coming from a prophet, and the world will be at his mercy (in a beneficial world changing way).

He will be able to fulfill his destiny his mom chose for him ,after his renaming from his birth name, to Tupac Amaru II.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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If anyone can help me find this website, where i can find the death certificates and whatnot where i can search through death certificates, please let me know... thanks in advance. The link i posted above shows a guy finding this govt website with success... : Here is some information from another website "http://www.thuglifearmy.com/news/?id=28" about his Death certificate:
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Death certificate details

In February 1997, SUN reporter Cathy Scott went to the Clark County Office of Vital Statistics and viewed Tupac Shakur's death certificate. The only copy released was to his mother, Afeni Shakur. The original is on file with the county.

It's against Nevada Revised Statute to forge or sign a public document, including death certificates. The death certificate acts as the official notice of death. It includes the following:

* Tupac Amaru Shakur was pronounced dead by Dr. Lovett at 4:03 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 13, 1996, at University Medical Center's Intensive Care Unit.
* The one-page death certificate was filed with Clark County's vital records section by County Coroner Ron Flud on Sept. 18, 1996. Dr. Ed Brown with Coroner's office signed the certificate.
* His mother, Afeni Shakur, made a positive identification of his body at 5 p.m. at the hospital. His body was then taken by Davis Mortuary to the morgue, three blocks away. An autopsy was performed and the official cause of death was respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest in connection with multiple gunshot wounds.
* Shakur's occupation was listed as "rap singer" and the company he worked for was shown as "Euphanasia" in Los Angeles, Calif.
* A county seal was stamped on the certificate, making it an official document.
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Also... Tupacs bodyguard released a couple books (without pacs death, they would of been worthless. Who wants to read about someones bodyguard, of someone that hasnt died?):

"And Frank Alexander, Tupac's personal bodyguard who was with Tupac the night he was shot, is about to release a second video about the rapper and his music. Alexander's first documentary, Before I Wake, was released in 2001.

Alexander is no longer a bodyguard. He works in the mortgage business in Southern California and produces videos on the side. He also wrote the book Got Your Back. "I stopped body-guarding after Tupac died," he said. "I don't want to take someone else's life in my hands.""

So he had enough capital investment from pacs "death" to get his own dream going, and stop being a bodyguard, which he probably wanted to get out of from the beginning... hmmmm. Also, i go on reading that Alexander gave a very subtle indescriptive profile of the shooter, saying he was a black man and he could only make out his silhoutte... Dont believe it.
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Witnesses of the crime scene.... reported also very indescriptive information... and even claimed that they werent even... there?
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"For their part, investigators say it hasn't been for a lack of effort, but, rather, for lack of cooperation from just about everyone involved: witnesses, Tupac's friends and associates, and even police from other departments and jurisdictions. The witness statements were pretty much the same. Metro Police Lt. Wayne Petersen, who headed the homicide unit, mimicked witnesses at the time: "l didn't see nothin'. I didn't know nobody. I wasn't even there.""
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Everyone on this forum, well most everyone, loves a good Conspiracy... but why are people so quick to believe he's dead... cuz they are comparing him to Elvis and such... Just because someone has such a big influence on the masses, doesnt mean they are always assassinated.... Well in this Case


[edit on 30-8-2009 by TheFaiThfulSkepTic]



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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So basically, the only people that have the supposed death certificate, are the county, and his mother Afeni Shakur.

Another quote from the Thuglifearmy link listed above:
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"Our concern was that because the National Enquirer had offered $100,000 for a photo of Shakur (dead) that one of the employees used county property to take the picture (and profit from it)," Winget said. Such a situation could have resulted in embezzlement charges, he said.
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I wonder if National Enquirer ever paid up for the photos... Furthermore, i wonder if for $100,000 would it be worth a shot at falsifying these autopsy photos? I wonder if the photos "leaked" match up with the ones filed on his death certificate, by the autopsy doctors....
Something is really wrong here.



posted on Aug, 30 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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I never subscribed too much to this whole idea, but I had never head of Blac Haze before this thread. After listening to him, I am amazed at how much this dude sounds like Pac....like identical. From his delivery and flow to his lyrics and everything. Either this Haze guy is just totally ripping Pac off, or there is something to this. Now I know, more than likely Haze IS ripping Tupac off, but damn it is EXACTLY the same....kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmm





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