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Originally posted by doodiepants
reply to post by Republican08
1.) I don't want a God coming down and stopping people from doing things. I want freedom.
2.) Also, why is rape or torture bad? Said person will die at the end of their life span and not be comprehend a thing. We're all just pieces of meat tricked into self awareness buy various neurotransmitters anyway. Judging good or bad is just an illusion created human kind.
Why don't you argue from a true atheist perspective?
[edit on 19-8-2009 by doodiepants]
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by rken2
ok this is really close.
why are we here?
That is the proverbial question. Why are we here. The closest explanation that my intellect can grasp. The finite trying to understand the infinate. Is that if I were that consciousness that existed before creation of anything, no stars, galaxies, worlds, people, animals etc. why would I do it, create at all. I believe that, that consciouness wanted to experience something other than self( we might call it lonelly or board). Since there is nothing to create something from. Where would that creation have to exist. You would also have to create a separation between the parts of the self. A forgetfulness. Biggest problem that I see is that playing this game with self and separation, causes pain. A child abandoned. Pain would seem to be the motivating factory that pushes use back toward re experiencing ourselves as one. Involution of spirit into matter and the evolution back out again. The part of the one that exists and is present in all creation does not judge the experience. When a lion eats a deer no one judges the lion for it is part of his nature to kill and eat the deer. It is part of the process of life. No judgement. That part of us doesn't care whether we are in the throw of passionate lust with a beautiful women of getting hit by a Mack truck. But there would seem to be some basic laws associated with creation. Like the law of cause and effect, or you reap what you sow, or karma and darma. all the same concept just that science only applies it on a physical level while religion would apply it on a mental emotion and spirit level. We are all going home as you cannot leave part of yourself behind. peace.
refine the question to-
why was man created? the answer is very simple.
to please God
[edit on 19-8-2009 by randyvs]
Originally posted by eldard
reply to post by Republican08
God will only show up if you were able to spell the following right:
afterwords
could of
would of
should of
And since you're a Republican, I can only assume you're also guilty of the following:
verses
principal
loose
Good luck!
Now, just imagine for a moment that your thoughts make up the world around you. If you want to see change in the world, see it first in your own heart. Instead of whinging about physical/psychological/spiritual abuse, go out and help those who have suffered, who are suffering even now as you read this text. Go out and make a change. Go change the laws so that abuse of the weak and innocent carries the harshest sentence.
But help those victims first. Help them to not feel like victims first and foremost.
Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
Interesting post, Republican. I too have thought of these things, where is god when these things are happening? Just about every every second of every hour every day something horrible is happening to another human by another human Now, I do believe in god, but I follow no religion whatsoever. I think religion sucks and is used to control people. But I honestly cant answer where my god is while these things are happening.
Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
One more thing that I guess is related, recently I read an article about a father in Oklahoma who had a 11 year old daughter lying on the ground dying. She could have been saved, but instead this idiot sack of # father prayed for the daughter, instead of calling 911. That is so sad, she was 11 years old. That is main thing that pisses me off abot hardcore religious people. It makes me sick.
There's also not "a shred of evidence" Neumann knew his prayers would fail to help his daughter or cause her death, the lawyer said.
Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
reply to post by Republican08
My thoughts exactly. I hope this father and all else involved rot in prison. And they wont get good treatment by the other prisoners, even most hardcore criminals hate child killers or people who would let a child die.
And if these peoples heaven and hell do in fact exist, they are for sure gonna rot in hell and spend enternity burning and sucking the devils.... (cant saythis stuff on here)....
[edit on 19-8-2009 by jeasahtheseer]
Originally posted by heyo
I think a lot of them are afraid of saying "i don't know". "I don't know why there's suffering and God", they could say.