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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by doodiepants
reply to post by Republican08
 


1.) I don't want a God coming down and stopping people from doing things. I want freedom.

2.) Also, why is rape or torture bad? Said person will die at the end of their life span and not be comprehend a thing. We're all just pieces of meat tricked into self awareness buy various neurotransmitters anyway. Judging good or bad is just an illusion created human kind.

Why don't you argue from a true atheist perspective?

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Dear Doodiepants.

As a 'evolutionist', and a person, life is good, life 'can' bring happiness. Now what brings no happiness, should be void.

I mustn't always argue from a "true'' Atheist perspective, because i'm a person. And not a fanatic.


I see your arrogant post.

Ask someone you know, daughter, mother, sister, heck brother. If their rape, was nothing, lol, just a silly little thing in their life.

They will retort, or will never talk to you again. I don't blame them.

They screw someones life over, and don't ever stop.

Rape isn't a one time thing. It affects a persons life. Their whole life.

It's a living death.

I easily can say, without a deity, that life and death. Good and Bad, can be proven by man.

Incest, Rape, Molestation. Cannot be proven good by anyone, I dare you to try it. Dare you.




posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 03:56 AM
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God will only show up if you were able to spell the following right:

afterwords
could of
would of
should of

And since you're a Republican, I can only assume you're also guilty of the following:

verses
principal
loose

Good luck!




posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 03:57 AM
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Firstly, please forget what you think you know about God. That's not how it is. That's like saying that gangsters are cool. It just ain't so.

Now, just imagine for a moment that your thoughts make up the world around you. If you want to see change in the world, see it first in your own heart. Instead of whinging about physical/psychological/spiritual abuse, go out and help those who have suffered, who are suffering even now as you read this text. Go out and make a change. Go change the laws so that abuse of the weak and innocent carries the harshest sentence.
But help those victims first. Help them to not feel like victims first and foremost.

Don't bother looking for God. Don't either criticize those who believe. We all do the best we can in our own particular situations (just as you're doing too!) Bad things happen to everyone. No one rides for free, hon. Help where you can. In that way, you may find God where you least expect it - there within yourself. Have you ever wondered why Christianity teaches that God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent? That's why. Wherever there is life (it's there even where you would believe there is none) there is also consciousness and always there is associated will. With that is memory too. When you understand the flow of these energies, you find your God. Exert your will, your intent, to make the world as you would like it to be. Associate yourself with those energies and your world we become what you want it to be. Don't worry about others if you aren't willing to extend your efforts to help them - if they even want it! Others are free to walk their paths and make their choices according to their hearts and will. It's not for us to judge anyone else. God doesn't condemn, no matter what religious dogma might otherwise dictate.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by rken2
 
ok this is really close.


That is the proverbial question. Why are we here. The closest explanation that my intellect can grasp. The finite trying to understand the infinate. Is that if I were that consciousness that existed before creation of anything, no stars, galaxies, worlds, people, animals etc. why would I do it, create at all. I believe that, that consciouness wanted to experience something other than self( we might call it lonelly or board). Since there is nothing to create something from. Where would that creation have to exist. You would also have to create a separation between the parts of the self. A forgetfulness. Biggest problem that I see is that playing this game with self and separation, causes pain. A child abandoned. Pain would seem to be the motivating factory that pushes use back toward re experiencing ourselves as one. Involution of spirit into matter and the evolution back out again. The part of the one that exists and is present in all creation does not judge the experience. When a lion eats a deer no one judges the lion for it is part of his nature to kill and eat the deer. It is part of the process of life. No judgement. That part of us doesn't care whether we are in the throw of passionate lust with a beautiful women of getting hit by a Mack truck. But there would seem to be some basic laws associated with creation. Like the law of cause and effect, or you reap what you sow, or karma and darma. all the same concept just that science only applies it on a physical level while religion would apply it on a mental emotion and spirit level. We are all going home as you cannot leave part of yourself behind. peace.
why are we here?
refine the question to-
why was man created? the answer is very simple.

to please God



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Man was created because he fulfills a unique place in the universe. He allows the expression and of experience of spirit on levels that other animals and being don't. His manifestation allows spirit to experience the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual aspects in one life form. So I guess you could say in a stretched perspective this pleases god.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by eldard
reply to post by Republican08
 


God will only show up if you were able to spell the following right:

afterwords
could of
would of
should of

And since you're a Republican, I can only assume you're also guilty of the following:

verses
principal
loose

Good luck!



Always glad to see slander of a Username.

Always glad, to see someone who hasn't read anything i've posted.

Hopefully you will, and i've said ad nauseam the anti-political stance, it's worthless. And I promise, anyone else who proposes this username again I will simply, just link them to this post. So no more misunderstandings are pronounced.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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Now, just imagine for a moment that your thoughts make up the world around you. If you want to see change in the world, see it first in your own heart. Instead of whinging about physical/psychological/spiritual abuse, go out and help those who have suffered, who are suffering even now as you read this text. Go out and make a change. Go change the laws so that abuse of the weak and innocent carries the harshest sentence.
But help those victims first. Help them to not feel like victims first and foremost.


It seems, as I do this, ultimately, not at the best of what 'can' be done. But trying just always feels like a losing fight.

You meet those that, don't want help.

Those that want help, but don't accept it.

Many twines in this basket. That deter at every way.

People are almost addicted to their sadistic attacks upon them.

The more I try, the more I see, the more I feel my tries are nothing. The more I know that I helped I can only pray to the butterfly effect.

It's alot more complex then what meets the eye.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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As far as doodiepants, its a losing battle.

Give up, as have I, check out his webpage on his lookup.

He's a jokester nothing more.

Attention getter.

Good post for you nonetheless.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:18 AM
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Interesting post, Republican. I too have thought of these things, where is god when these things are happening? Just about every every second of every hour every day something horrible is happening to another human by another human Now, I do believe in god, but I follow no religion whatsoever. I think religion sucks and is used to control people. But I honestly cant answer where my god is while these things are happening.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
Interesting post, Republican. I too have thought of these things, where is god when these things are happening? Just about every every second of every hour every day something horrible is happening to another human by another human Now, I do believe in god, but I follow no religion whatsoever. I think religion sucks and is used to control people. But I honestly cant answer where my god is while these things are happening.


Thank you for answering the OP. Others Have to no singling out.

It just seems, an all caring god, wouldn't let african children starve to death, generation after generation.

Or Women, be mistreated with LAWS year after year. Unless 'your' god believes that acceptable... doubt it truly.

These things go along all day long.

Right now, I can say that someone in arizona a normal person, is having fingers and toes slowly cut off, from a drug cartel member getting the 'wrong' house.

While he calls his family asking for help, it's happening right now.

Yet we seem to bypass all of these atrocities, and get upset over 9.11 slavery democrat republican. All these things, while, humanity itself is literally SUFFERING.

Burning, Tortured And Raped to death!. Death, the last thing they feel on earth is Complete Anguish.

And say their atheist, islam, christian, hindu, a large group would believe not only do they go through a living hell... but they will go through an eternity of hell for 'not believing'.

Riddle me this, and i'm open, but it just all seems illogical, in the utmost.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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One more thing that I guess is related, recently I read an article about a father in Oklahoma I think it was, who had a 11 year old daughter lying on the ground dying. She could have been saved, but instead this idiot sack of # father prayed for the daughter, instead of calling 911. That is so sad, she was 11 years old. That is main thing that pisses me off abot hardcore religious people. It makes me sick.

In court he said something like, "who am I to judge death, we all die sometime, its gods choice. I guess it was her time". Thatsnot an exact quote but itw as something like that. What a hole that guy is

And like I said I believe in no religion. But I do believe in god, and if he and heaven does in fact exist, ALL good people go there, no matter if they are christian, islamic or even atheist.


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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
One more thing that I guess is related, recently I read an article about a father in Oklahoma who had a 11 year old daughter lying on the ground dying. She could have been saved, but instead this idiot sack of # father prayed for the daughter, instead of calling 911. That is so sad, she was 11 years old. That is main thing that pisses me off abot hardcore religious people. It makes me sick.


lol, it wasn't just him, it was a group. A freakin group of people around praying for her.

Not until she stopped breathing, did ONE person call for medical/science help.

A girl, who could of cured Cancer, Heart Disease, Or of just become some pornstar.

Was denied life, for faith.

As far as well all can know, she's gone forever, no pearly gates, no virgins. Just gone forever.

The parents, should be put in prison.

I don't want them 'aborting' any more eleven year olds.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:34 AM
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www.foxnews.com...

Here is it. The worthless people.

We have strived for thousands of years for science to help life, and to see people go to pseduoscience and medicemen. To heal only to end in death. And bring the Claim, 'he didn't know that god would take her then' in court. He should be spat upon.



There's also not "a shred of evidence" Neumann knew his prayers would fail to help his daughter or cause her death, the lawyer said.



Worst father of 2008 Right (snippin) here.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:36 AM
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My thoughts exactly. I hope this father and all else involved rot in prison. And they wont get good treatment by the other prisoners, even most hardcore criminals hate child killers or people who would let a child die.

And if these peoples heaven and hell do in fact exist, they are for sure gonna rot in hell and spend enternity burning and sucking the devils.... (cant saythis stuff on here)....

[edit on 19-8-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Answers are not always that far,
problem is truth doesnt take lies,
does only monologues and truth
doesnt like waste of time. why ?
because truth is truth, and it knows what is not.

Death is not the end,
pain is usefull.
it is bigger then personal choice.
it was paradox building as a team.
To understand God
you need logic, now this logic is hidden
in a paradox envirement,
so it sounds dual, opposite,
when it is not.

Thats why people do not understand,
and can not understand, until they give up
on honor, are honest and give back

you are very honest, you will find truth,
because truth is honest, while still growing hard, not romantic.
peace comes when you have full view,
everything before is false peace and false or painfull growing love.

peacefull feelings when a world doesnt look perfect is a lie,
its ignorance.
only as restphases it is okay, other moments care is the motor,
it's justification of god, of what is one.

REPENTING/REGRET = SEEING instead of ingorance, even when it is hate
FORGIVENESS = UNDERSTANDING, so the negative turn in to value and function.

tolerating = ignorance
acceptance = love

this way justifies your world and your god, because he is one.
this way is the cross of care, its the cross.
and one truth always is logic, this world builded that logic,
to release the logic, that is paradox



jonathan.




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posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
reply to post by Republican08
 


My thoughts exactly. I hope this father and all else involved rot in prison. And they wont get good treatment by the other prisoners, even most hardcore criminals hate child killers or people who would let a child die.

And if these peoples heaven and hell do in fact exist, they are for sure gonna rot in hell and spend enternity burning and sucking the devils.... (cant saythis stuff on here)....

[edit on 19-8-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


I can't imagine....

Even not even a father...although close accounts, (no abortions and such) couldn't imagine seeing my daughter die of a 'simple' treatment easily available, and just pray. Hoping god heals her.

Now if she'd of gotten well, such as in hollywood movies, great, you've got a movie.

Otherwise, you've got a human life.

IMHO God obviously wasn't there when being called upon.

Do you know who was there though....yes you do, people with scientifical medicine, ready to help, those many hate so much...

If i'm dying of cancer, please support my chemo, not a apollo.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:44 AM
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I try my best at honesty.
I find it funny though, that if we take only the Capitalized first letters in your poem...persay.

It spells this. Perfectly.

Answers Death To God, Thats.

Still leaves with the That's which makes me think you don't know what the logic of it is.

Or it was purposeful for those analytical as myself. Checking every post for correlation and everything in it.

If god is a paradox, he is quite ungodly.

God, if there is ONE, why would he hide himself, so much to an extremity.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:47 AM
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I'd like to start this 'trend'

REMEMBER THE OP PLEASE.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There's the post. Please read, and comment, if you find a post according to this thread from other posts, please try to include, into the OP.

Thank you.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by heyo
I think a lot of them are afraid of saying "i don't know". "I don't know why there's suffering and God", they could say.



You're right and I would respect that answer, I would respect ''I don't know'' but you don't get that from religious believers, they all seem to spout religious loop-holes instead of being honest and saying they don't know why there is suffering.

Admit it believers, you don't know why do you? There's nothing to feel ashamed of in that you know, none of us really know but please stop pretending you do.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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reply to post by Republican08
 
alright REP i really like your post. although i'm not sure about
your sincerity,it shines w/ civility.the only reason i tried to answer the
part of it the best way i knew. s&f

p.s. i can call you REP for short right?

[edit on 19-8-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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That guys argument with his attorney is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. This is the modern day, not the 1500s, arguments like his shouldnt be allowed in court. Its almost as bad as OJ putting on the bloody glove in court but putting it on while he was wearing rubber gloves or whatever, so it wouldnt fit. When the world knows hes a killer, I'd be embarassed to be OJ nowadays walking around and everyone knows you are a women murderer. But this thread isnt about OJ, he just pisses me off
.

The difference is OJ was rich, and played the race card against mark furman, only reason he got off.

I hope the judge and jury in this guys case arent that stupid.


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