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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by Agree2Disagree
Jesus of Nazerath's teachings of unconditional love were fabricated into him being the only path to 'God'.
Was there salvation for man in the time of Adam and Eve and Noah? If so please by all means show me your proof. Last time i checked, god left a Angel with a fire sword to make sure they don't return to Eden.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by reasonable
And then since I have provided the scriptures that show there was indeed salvation before Jesus was incarnated, you randomly jump to some statement about hell in which you know nothing about. Go figure.
I forgot to add...I forgive you.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
reply to post by reasonable
I live my life with my heart and not with my mind. That is why I give and don't take. The mind is greedy and egotistical, the heart is compassionate and loving.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
Originally posted by Psychonaughty
reply to post by Agree2Disagree
Jesus of Nazerath's teachings of unconditional love were fabricated into him being the only path to 'God'.
Jesus of Nazerath's teachings of unconditional love were to show the way to God. There is only one way and if you think you're going to get there any other way you are sadly mistaken my friend. How do you suppose you could stand in the Father's presence?
Was there salvation for man in the time of Adam and Eve and Noah? If so please by all means show me your proof. Last time i checked, god left a Angel with a fire sword to make sure they don't return to Eden.
So let me get this straight, you think God damned Noah, and everyone else before the time of Jesus, to hell? There is clearly a redeeming factor, even before Jesus' time.
And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord, and He (God) accounted it to him for righteousness. Gen 15.6
(David wrote...) Bow down Your ear, O Lord, hear me; For I am poor and needy. Preserve my life, for I am holy; You are my God; Save Your servant who trusts in You! Ps 86.1-2
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation... Isa 61.10a
By faith, Abel... By faith, Enoch... By faith, Noah... By faith, Abraham... By faith, Sarah... By faith, Isaac... By faith, Jacob... By faith, Joseph... By faith, Moses... By faith, Rahab...And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets.....extracts from Heb 11.4-32
These (OT saints) all died in faith, not having received the promises (of a Savior-Messiah), but having seen them afar off... were Assured of them, and embraced them Heb 11.13a
In other words, Hebrews 11 right there states that the Old Testament saints had faith in Jesus before he was ever born.
So was there salvation in those times? Most definitely.
Originally posted by reasonable
you forgot to add that most of those people getting raped and tortured to death are also going to burn in hellfire for eternity. Praise the lord, for he is a kind and just lord.
Originally posted by reasonable
I wish I could understand, but those of us without Jesus, we are just heartless robots.. so tragic that I can't love and experience love, kindness or generosity. It's one or the other right? Jesus & living with the heart, or Atheist & living in blackness of the mind? I live with my heart and I am responsible for it, not an imaginary deity, not a book ME. You could do it too bud, without needing a group to belong to. Believe in yourself because if there was a god that is what he would want. It is not possible for an all powerful being to want worshipers, it is only possible for an all powerful being to want individuals. It is likely too late for you but I have managed to deprogram many young ones. I reduced a bible study class on Fridays at my child's school (via positive activism) by over 70% so there is still hope.
Originally posted by cormag
Was there salvation for man in the time of Adam and Eve and Noah? If so please by all means show me your proof. Last time i checked, god left a Angel with a fire sword to make sure they don't return to Eden.
i never said god damned Noah. just Humans in general.
If it were not for one righteous man Noah, God would have destroyed everything.
"This race of men whom I have created, I will wipe them off the face of the earth--man and beast, reptiles and birds. I am sorry that I ever made them." (Gen.6: 7)
So now your quoting parts from other books in the old testament that clearly shows God has a FAVORITE race of people? Books written throughout time by the Hebrews themselves! For all we know, they Hebrews probably got a little to envious of themselves throughout time while writing those books. personally i think after Genesis, the rest written by these other Hebrews are nothing but showboating.
Originally posted by cormag
reply to post by Agree2Disagree
i wasn't trying to say god was racist. you miss understood what i was trying to say. What i meant was it's hard to believe anything after genesis from the old testament. The whole thing revolves mostly around the hebrews like there the center of the universe.
Oh and Noah didn't receive salvation. God was gonna start everything all over. But Noah convinced him to leave the planet the way it is and spare him and those on the ark. God then gave him and everything else on board the green light to be fruitful and multiply after the oceans and seas receded. I don't remember god saying you get to got to heaven or anything like that. If you have proof please share it.
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