Where is your God?!

reply to post by Republican08


A god who's only concern is how we feel wouldn't have made such a dog eat dog world to begin with.
A god who's only concern was to stamp out evil wouldn't have made that very evil to begin with.
A god who's only concern was justification wouldn't have made the unjust to begin with.

Some options that spring to mind:
1) There is a god and this is all for his/her/it's amusement
2) There is a god and he is not all powerful
3) There is a god and we're the ones that fail to see the big picture
4) There isn't a god


Unfortunately, we can't determine which is true.
However, if #3 is the case, I would question why god made us so we don't see the big picture if the big picture would ultimately set us free.
Maybe we aren't supposed to know that either?

my thoughts are that if divine powers DO exist, then all the suffering and diseases, and every other horrible thing in the universe was THEIR doing, then do you honestly believe that these are powers in need of worship? NO! they should be rebelled against, un-deified, and have their temples brought crashing towards earth.

reply to post by Republican08


The world is full of pain, misery and evil. None of the things you mentioned are right in any way. Your physical well being is not what is important, but your spiritual well being. How you handle all the evils and injustices you experience in life is very important. Why would you think that all these bad things are allowed to happen? So God can get his kicks? No.....I believe there is much more to it.


If life were meant to be painless and easy, guess what? It would be!

reply to post by nonnez


Posted on page one of this thead:
Yes the world is an awful shape. It is heart wrenching. Jesus Christ is on his way and will be here soon. "Thank God" The world in it's current state cannot go on. In Mathew 24:21-22 Jesus states that world will be in great tribulation and if if the days are not cut short no flesh (human) will survive. I think we are reaching the tribulation period. The Bible also tells us not to worry about these things that it must come to pass. OK I am human and I worry, it is our nature. But God has not gone anywhere, he is not sick or blind, he is watching and he will intervene. The thing is our world is ruled by Satan right now. You can see it everywhere. It is apparent on TV, in the news and in the things you described. One of Satans many ploys is to turn us away from God by saying look at all these terrible things how can God do this, Where is your God?

reply to post by Republican08


I think i can help you.
It may sound like New Age but i think it's the truth.
There is a God.
In heaven he is known as the spirit father.
He hangs out in the Throne Room along with about 40 escorting angels.
He gave us 5 God like powers:
The Power of Imagination
The Power of Intelligence
The Power of Creation
The Power of Free Will
and The Power to Love.

The power of free will is causing the problems you talked about
in your post.
Before we can know joy, we must know sorrow.
The choice is ours. Do good works or evil works.
A good book to give you peace of mind would be:
The Soul's Remembrance by Roy Mills.
It can be found at Amazon.com
Roy remembers heaven before he was born here on Earth.
He was born without a "veil of forgetfulness".
I had an incredible Deja vu feeling when i read it.
I hope i have helped you.



[edit on 19-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]

MY God is here in my heart........

First it is human raping human and human killing human, God has nothing to do with that. Read the Bible we have FREE CHOICE. Which means God isn't going to hold your hand and force you to do this or that. Your one of those people who want the government to do everything for you, right? Because you expect a God to do everything for you and that isn't the case and so you don't believe. You need somebody to hold your hand and guide you through your life. If life wasn't like a rollercoaster ride would it be worth living?

You want to blame someone for a rise in emotional and psycotic disorders...blame the FDA, Pharma, and the government.

What about the possibility of a God who didn't directly create us, one who possibly has very little or even no interest in us as a species, much less as individuals?

Why couldn't it have just created the basic laws of physics and a whole mess of hydrogen, and then let things be?

This isn't what I believe, per se, but I don't see why we give ourselves so much credit as to believe that of all the wonders of our Universe, we are the creator's favorite children.

Read some literature produced by a Deist. or some Lovecraft. either one kind of makes the same point.

Originally posted by brygivrob
It is not God that is doing all the bad stuff. It is Satan.

There is goodness and wonder and beauty everywhere. There is also terror. We bring into each of our lives mostly what we think about. One can stick his head in the toilet and complain that God made the world stinky and ugly. But one can enjoy the beauties of life mostly, and pray for others, and serve others, to alleviate their pains.

But who is Satan really? God's agent. We all must be tested. We all must choose.

I don't believe that you are entirely correct in that. Hypothetically, Satan can't *cause* someone to make a bad choice, he can only influence them. Just as God has limited himself in the sense that he cannot make good choices for us either, only influence us. Every human being gets to see both sides of the coin.

Now, when we get into the topic of demonic "posession" we see it a little differently...that is almost another thread, however.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Republican08

 

I think i can help you.
It may sound like New Age but i think it's the truth.
There is a God.
In heaven he is known as the spirit father.
He hangs out in the Throne Room along with about 40 escorting angels.
He gave us 5 God like powers:
The Power of Imagination
The Power of Intelligence
The Power of Creation
The Power of Free Will
and The Power to Love.

The power of free will is causing the problems you talked about
in your post.
Before we can know joy, we must know sorrow.
The choice is ours. Do good works or evil works.
A good book to give you peace of mind would be:
The Soul's Remembrance by Roy Mills.
It can be found at Amazon.com
Roy remembers heaven before he was born here on Earth.
He was born without a "veil of forgetfulness".
I had an incredible Deja vu feeling when i read it.
I hope i have helped you.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]

A man suffered a head injury, and miraculously discovered he could make incredible wood carvings, he was an elderly man.

Now, a neurologists can tell you why this happened, due to long boring talk that noone get's orgasmic over.

Yet most believe it was a gift from god......

Now creativity, and all these things are found in the brain. We can shut it down, or electricute it back up!

Although, it's extremely dangerous. Just think of ALL the people who got hit in the head, and are now Mentally Retarded, Mute, Can't Read or Write.

Yeah, bad stuff happens all the time.

The god, the way you described it, sounds like a midevil king, Not a huge deity.
Or that guy from the Wizard of Oz.

I don't really think we have free will. It can't exist, too many problems.

I mean, think of all the people who had no free will. Jews, Blacks, Indians.

All enslaved, well every race at a time, and still right now, have no free will.

Kind of odd. That one man can take another mans free will.

That creates a stir as it seems.

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
What about the possibility of a God who didn't directly create us, one who possibly has very little or even no interest in us as a species, much less as individuals?

Why couldn't it have just created the basic laws of physics and a whole mess of hydrogen, and then let things be?

This isn't what I believe, per se, but I don't see why we give ourselves so much credit as to believe that of all the wonders of our Universe, we are the creator's favorite children.

Read some literature produced by a Deist. or some Lovecraft. either one kind of makes the same point.

It's more believable. or my Favorite, the Knowing Theory, for those who have seen the movie.

If you haven't, get up right now, and go buy the movie. The Knowing.

I can't imagine a personal god being at all. Illogical I guess.

Originally posted by LocoHombre
my thoughts are that if divine powers DO exist, then all the suffering and diseases, and every other horrible thing in the universe was THEIR doing, then do you honestly believe that these are powers in need of worship? NO! they should be rebelled against, un-deified, and have their temples brought crashing towards earth.

Yeah right. No personal responsibility, whatsoever. Not only blame God for your own shortcomings, declare war on Him. Good luck, hotshot! Shake your fist at God now. You too will soon be worm food.

Originally posted by Melissa101
reply to post by nonnez

 

Posted on page one of this thead:
Yes the world is an awful shape. It is heart wrenching. Jesus Christ is on his way and will be here soon. "Thank God" The world in it's current state cannot go on. In Mathew 24:21-22 Jesus states that world will be in great tribulation and if if the days are not cut short no flesh (human) will survive. I think we are reaching the tribulation period. The Bible also tells us not to worry about these things that it must come to pass. OK I am human and I worry, it is our nature. But God has not gone anywhere, he is not sick or blind, he is watching and he will intervene. The thing is our world is ruled by Satan right now. You can see it everywhere. It is apparent on TV, in the news and in the things you described. One of Satans many ploys is to turn us away from God by saying look at all these terrible things how can God do this, Where is your God?

Woah ho ho now!

Do you have kids, (I don't but I could empathize, but not to a similar degree, I can only imagine) Now, say a child predator was in your daughters room, and well you were in your room, and you had a camera in there watching this child predator raping this girl.

Now would you just sit and watch. What almighty father is that.

How he works is senseless. I for one would of ran in there, and been able to kill a man with mere thought. Telekinesis and all kinds of # would be going on from the anger and instinct.

But no he's just been sitting and watching, saying let it get a little worse, just a bit more, okay time to watch. 2,000 years of suffering, hmm. maybe now is a good time...Maybe not.

When actually, has the world not been in a tribulation state.

I would beg that the days of now, are better then the Days of Hitlers reign and tyranny.

God's chosen people were mercilessly killed and tortured, apparently his faves

Yeah, he's just watching it. Maybe he gets a kick out of it.

Even let his son get tortured to death.

But these are just stories and text.

It's just incredibly illogical.

reply to post by Republican08


no one can take your free will. if you aren't acting of your volition, then it's not you, it's someone else. and if it's someone else, you are not held responsible, even if it's clearly you doing the deed. a person with a serious case of mental illness, cannot be held personally responsible for poor choices, cause it's not them but the illness in control. like you can't blame a deaf person for not being able to hear you or a blind person for not being able to see you. but you can blame a perfectly capable person for refusing to either hear or see you when you are right in front of them (unless of course, there's some other problem!).

i think our ability to understand the situation as regards God is directly proportional to our ability to understand ourselves and each other.

reply to post by romanmel


I don't know, if you detest me, or what lol, from the reply on my comment box?

Nonetheless, you speak alot of responsibility have you seen this.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

I guess I'll go ahead and take an agnostic view on this...it's a difficult question. In fact, it's an impossible question. We can't and will not know the answers in this existence.

I do believe in someof the typical "copouts" as someone mentioned. I do believe we were separated from God as one in the beginning and because of that it is easier for us to be manipulated by evil. I also believe that as humans we have natural evil inside of us. Free will, IMO, seems to be one of those evils, as awkward as that sounds.

Also, I think that God as an omnipotent being is much more than we can ever even fathom. That's why he simply asks for faith. Faith does not have any other prerequiites. One does not have to know or experience or any of the other physical perceptions in order to maintain faith.


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reply to post by Republican08


Well, I'm just trying to help you.
Look at it as an opportunity for growth.
Take a look at The Soul's Remembrance .
Let me go over it a little bit more.
When we die, we first go to the Heavenly Council.
That is where you wait your turn in line and then receive
your "Life Review".
During your life review you are told about "The Ripple Effects" in your life.
A kind act you had for someone. It could be as simple as opening a
door for someone. That person usually does a selfless act themselves
later that day for someone else and so on.
Now as you have probably already guessed, there are the negative
and selfish acts that you have done over the course of your life.
There is an angel there that appears to be your judge but in reality
he is there to help you get through your life review.
When you complete your life review, that's it.
You're done and you go to that level of heaven that you are the
most comfortable with.
Heaven is ALL about unconditional love.
We all come from heaven to Earth in order to learn and grow.
Then we go home.
Earth is not our home.
Heaven is.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I guess I'll go ahead and take an agnostic view on this...it's a difficult question. In fact, it's an impossible question. We can't and will not know the answers in this existence.

I do believe in someof the typical "copouts" as someone mentioned. I do believe we were separated from God as one in the beginning and because of that it is easier for us to be manipulated by evil. I also believe that as humans we have natural evil inside of us. Free will, IMO, seems to be one of those evils, as awkward as that sounds.

Also, I think that God as an omnipotent being is much more than we can ever even fathom. That's why he simply asks for faith. Faith does not have any other prerequiites. One does not have to know or experience or any of the other physical perceptions in order to maintain faith.

 

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So he comes down 2,000 years ago, or 6,000 or whatever your religion.

Says hey it's me, uh don't kill, don't rape, and well it's useless, because i've designed you with the ability to do this, and I have also created serial killers (dauhmer) and such with no brain capacity for remorse, so they'll do this just for no real reason.

Uh yeah, but if you do this, um, I'm going to have you burned for all of eternity.

Oh and I won't be making any more visits, yeah, so just pass the message on. If anyone doesn't believe you stone them to death.

Uhh if anyone starts AAtheists, Make sure you burn them in a bin along with there family, ohh before you do that, dismember the whole bodies (make sure to get some torture in there) and yeah, no it's cool kill the children too.

Because don't worry, when you do this, i'm totally cool with it, and while their last moments on earth will be horrific, for overkill, they'll burn for eternity.

And you can just say a avenging angel did it, and most people will believe you, those who don't will support you anyways.

So uhh good job there.

I'm also not bound by time, so I know whats going to happen in the future.

No no no, I have no intention on fixing the problems i've created.

Don't forget, for the next 2,000 years or so, just pass this on by word of mouth, feel free to edit (I now revelations says no, but people did it anyways) uhh don't forget to mention eternal burning and suffering. Stress that alot.

And umm, all I ask is that you believe whatever the person tells you with all your heart and mind... and you should be ok.

Any of those who doubt, yeah, you get the message brimstone.

I mean who doesn't trust everyone in the world with everything.

Uh, cya. I'm gonna just sit over on andromeda, and watching this for awhile.

Nothing better then watching your sons and daughters getting tortured and raped.

Originally posted by Republican08
reply to post by romanmel

 

I don't know, if you detest me, or what lol, from the reply on my comment box?

Nonetheless, you speak alot of responsibility have you seen this.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

I don't detest you. I don;t know why you care. You have made your choices. So, what's your point? Reject God and move on with your life. Why devote so much of your time debunking what you don'i believe in. Unlike many, I don't feel compelled to "save" you. You have chose to reject God and God obviously decided you are not one of His choosen. So that is that. Move on and have a nice day!


[edit on 19-8-2009 by romanmel]

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I'm incredibly sorry.

Is it the book, that made you lean toward this viewpoint or something else?

Why do we 'all' go to heaven. Why do we need a judging process. They should already know, and I for damn sure know what i've done good and bad in my life. Even the little things in life.

Does that mean, Hitler would be in heaven.

Dauhmer?

Mother Theresa? Lol just kidding guys.

I mean a man who slaughtered what was it, 11 million? People, is suffering eternal happiness?

But is happiness a spiritual quality, it seems a brain property, because people have chemical imbalances, which causes depression.

Is heaven one Giant Zoloft?

I do appreciate you participating, I'm just very big into questioning this type of stuff.

Don't take anything as I say as an attack ITS NOT!! I'm just looking for understanding.