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Originally posted by brygivrob
It is not God that is doing all the bad stuff. It is Satan.
There is goodness and wonder and beauty everywhere. There is also terror. We bring into each of our lives mostly what we think about. One can stick his head in the toilet and complain that God made the world stinky and ugly. But one can enjoy the beauties of life mostly, and pray for others, and serve others, to alleviate their pains.
But who is Satan really? God's agent. We all must be tested. We all must choose.
Originally posted by Bluebelle
Another thing... arent we supposed to be reincarnated so we can come back and learn from our past mistakes? If so, that would mean we would come across these specific 'tests' during our lives wouldnt we? But if we have free will then doesnt that mean that its quite likely that we would never come into contact with these specific tests in the first place?
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by sickofitall2012
ok i'll repeat this once struck down is struck down..personal attack?you havn't got a clue ,even when i was just trying to hand you one.asking some to think a little about what i've said, before you post, is nothing personal. so quit wasting space.if you don't like the things i'm saying, i'd be happy if you would use that ignore button k?
How bout you think, man. Capital punishment is by the hand of humans, not God, and with a twenty year appeal process, why should they fear it.
and by the way, anybody who thinks they know the answers to your questions are lost. nobody knows why things are they way they are. They just are. Some have faith that things will work out, and some don't care. Arguing with anyone about why God does what he does, would be like asking me how anti gravity works. I might give you an answer, but it will be wrong.
but there are answers. i think this is why he is asking. 08 yes no?
[edit on 19-8-2009 by randyvs]
Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by Republican08
Those who hate God almost always start out their inquiry, as you have. It goes like this, "How could a loving God...blah, blah, blah?" Perhaps you don't "hate" God. Don't know. Just wanted you to know this is what I have observed from those who truly "hate" God.
My response to this is to ask, "So what kind of relationship would you prefer with God?" Do you prefer a "puppet-master" type God? That reduces your choice to about zero. With choice comes responsibility. Get that? It's a trade-off thing! You want lots'a choices? You get lots'a responsibility! Do you understand this simple truth? God has NO responsibility for our screw-ups. You and I and six and a half billion others here on Earth, endowed with free will, create our own reality.
God gave us the free-will, but made it very clear, he that sows to the wind will reap a whirlwind. Don't like bad stuff? Take some responsibility. I could quote all kinds of scripture. That's too easy. Read it yourself. Bottom line is this, God gave you a world, if you can keep it.
God at one point in the Bible attempted to intervene and root out evil (the flood) but if you keep reading right after the flood it says even so man was still continuously evil
My response to this is to ask, "So what kind of relationship would you prefer with God?" Do you prefer a "puppet-master" type God? That reduces your choice to about zero.
Originally posted by Circle
Every bad thing - that ever was - has gone through a filter. Either repented and forgiven or unrepented and unforgiven. That, which remains unforgiven will eventually be punished. The person doing the bad thing and the Judge of that person are seperate. We will not be judging ourselves, thats God's work. Thankfully, God is more merciful than we can ever be. God also pursues every thought and action in people.
[edit on 19-8-2009 by Circle]