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posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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This is an early radar visual case of 1948, in which a F-61 Black Widow night fighter crew on patrol over Japan picked up a UFO target on radar.The crew made six attempts to close in on the object, and each time it rapidly accelerated to about 1,200 m.p.h. leaving the interceptor behind.

Nothing and let me say it again nothing man made in 1948 can travel 1200 MPH. Unless it is not man made, and from another planet...

The sighting took place at about 11:05 P M. on October 15, 1948, some 50 miles northwest of Fukuoka, off the northwest coast of Kyushu.

According to a Project Sign intelligence report, the pilot of the F-61 was able to make out a silhouette of the UFO (it was a clear moonlit night) and he described it as translucent with a very short body and stubby appearance. The object had clean-cut lines and no canopy was discernible. The entire six sightings lasted less than ten minutes with each individual sighting about a minute or so in duration. The UFO’s speed varied from between 200 MPH to 1,200 MPH.

The pilot of the F-61, 1st Lt. Oliver Hemphill, Jr., had this to say:

"I had an excellent silhouette of the target thrown against a very reflective undercast by a full moon. I realized at this time that it did not look like any type aircraft I was familiar with, so I immediately contacted my Ground Control Station and asked for information regarding any aircraft in the area."

I think a trained pilot can tell the difference between a ufo and a normal aircraft. Thats probably why the pilot contacted ground control to find out what the heck this thing was.

What ever it was it was "aware" of the f-61 in persuit and was evading it. So since there is no explenation for this event what could it have been? This case is identified as "unexplained."
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[edit on 18-8-2009 by Chovy]




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Hey thanks for sharing this great case, unfortunately many do not know of this great case, here is some more information on this great radar/visual case:

P-61 Black Widow Aircraft…


Oct. 15, 1948. Fukuoka, Japan. 11:05 p.m. USAF pilot 1st Lt. Oliver Hemphill Jr. and radar observer 2nd Lt. Barton Halter flying a P-61 “Black Widow” night fighter made 6 interceptions of the same or different objects tracked on airborne radar, only one seen visually. Dull or dark translucent object shaped like a dirigible with a flat bottom and clipped tail end. Speed varied from 200 to about 1,500 mph. Pilot tried to close on visual object, but it dove away fast. (FOIA; Jan Aldrich) 2 RV

This sounds JUST LIKE many other similar cases, even down to the UFO shape.



The sighting took place at about 11:05 P M. on October 15, 1948, some 50 miles northwest of Pukuoka, off the northwest coast of Kyushu. A statement of January 28, 1949, by 2nd Lt. Barton Halter of the 68th Fighter Squadron, who was radar operator of the P-61, explains the
encounter:

My present duties are Radar and Communications Maintenance Officer, and Radar Observer Night Fighter with the 68th Fighter Squadron, 347th Fighter Group (AW), APO 75. On 15 October 1948, my pilot and I started out on a routine mission off the northwest coast of Kyushu. When, at 2305 (11:O5 P.M.), we were approximately 5O males at 330° from Pukuoka, I picked up an airborne target. It showed up at a range of five miles dead ahead and slightly below us. We increased our speed to approximately 220 MPH and obtained an advantage of 20 MPH. The target showed no evasive action at first, and we thought that it was probably one of the fighter aircraft from our home field. As we closed in I noticed a slight change in azimuth and a rapid closure between us. Shortly thereafter, a matter of seconds, the target gave the indication of diving beneath us. We dived in an attempt to follow the target and before we could get squared away to follow, it had passed beneath us and was gone. I was notified by my pilot that we were diving at a rate of 3,500 feet a minute at 300 MPH. I had intended to ask the pilot to peel off after it split “S,” but it was gone too fast.

The next, or second, interception was from the rear of the target as was the first; however, the target added a burst of speed dead ahead and outdistanced us immediately. On the third interception, my plot called a visual at 60° portside. By the time I made the pickup it we at 45° port 3,000’ and 5° below. My pilot made a rapid starboard turn in an attempt to head off the target. By the time we got astern of it, it was off again in a burst of speed and disappeared between nine (9) and ten (10) miles.

On the fourth interception, the pilot called to me that we had been passed from above from the rear by our target. I picked up target as it went off my scope from five to ten miles dead ahead and slightly above. On the fifth and sixth interceptions, the target appeared at 9-plus miles doing approximately 200 MPH. We had as advantage of 20 MPH taking our IAS approximately 220 MPH, a safe high-speed cruise for F-61 type aircraft. We closed in to 12,000 feet, then, with a burst of speed the target pulled away to the outer limit of my set which is 10 miles for airborne targets. This took approximately 15 to 20 seconds.

In my opinion, we were shown a new type aircraft by some agency unknown to is. . . .

According to a Project Sign intelligence report, the pilot of the F-61 was able to make out a silhouette of the UFO (it was a clear moonlit night) and he described it as translucent with a very short body and stubby appearance. The object had clean-cut lines and no canopy was discernible. The entire six sightings lasted less than ten minutes with each individual sighting about a minute or so in duration. The UFO’s speed varied from between 200 MPH to 1,200 MPH.

An excerpted dispatch from Headquarters, 315th Air Division, to the Commanding General of the Fifth Air Force, of February 28, 1949, relative to this case, contained these interesting comments:

2. It is believed that the object was not lost from the scope due to the normal skip “null” zones common to all radar equipment. The pilot and observer feel that it was the high rate of speed of the object which enabled it to disappear so rapidly.

The pilot of the F-61, 1st Lt. Oliver Hemphill, Jr., had this to say:

I had an excellent silhouette of the target thrown against a very reflective undercast by a full moon. I realized at this time that it did not look like any type aircraft I was familiar with, so I immediately contacted my Ground Control Station and asked for information regarding any aircraft in the area.

The ground control radar reported no other aircraft and at no time could they pick up the UFO. Hemphill stated that he again caught “just a fleeting glance of the aircraft (UFO); just enough to know he had passed me,” on the fourth sighting.

Project Sign reviewed the Kyashu, Japan UFO case and ultimately classified it as “Unidentified.”

J. Allen Hynek,
The Hynek UFO Report, page 125

Some relevant Blue Book entries…

























I know the document scans are not the best, believe it or not I posted the better of the documents! Anyways that’s is most of the readable relevant Blue Book files.
NICAP Blue Book Documents…
Dr. James McDonald Report, NICAP
NARCAP Documents and Opinion..
P-61 Black Widow Details…
Brad Sparks Email Discussion.


This is a great case in my opinion, thank you for covering it and bringing something of value to these boards!. While skeptics want to say this case is Anomalous Propagation that seems highly unlikely considering the types of radar echoes involved and the visual sighting. There are many reports of incidents like this, with a major one being the Lakenheath-Bentwaters Incident of 1957. This is a true unknown and in my opinion possibly extraterrestrial. Again, thanks for actually bringing a GOOD topic to the boards.


Another Interesting “bullet-like” UFO case


All images, documents, and text courtesy of NICAP

[edit on 8/18/2009 by jkrog08]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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I hadn't heard of this one. Thanks Chovy.

Excellent documentation as usual jk



posted on Aug, 20 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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Makes you wonder if some one human could make such an air craft.
Boy this UFO must be alien technology.




Excerpt from “Tesla’s new device like bolts of Thor” Dec 8, 1915 NY Times: “…He is not yet ready to give the details of the engine which he says will render fruitless any military expedition against a country which possesses it. Suffice it to say that the destructive invention will go through space with a speed of 300miles per second, a manless airship without propelling engine or wings, sent by electricity to any desired point of the globe on its errand of destruction, if destruction its manipulator wishes to effect.”


From

300miles per second is 1800 miles per hour.
ETs must be able to top that.

I think people are inside now.



posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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They don't need to jump to light speed. Just go fast enough to escape primative human technology.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by Chovy]



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
300miles per second is 1800 miles per hour.
ETs must be able to top that.



Correction!

I know it's a simple error, but 300 miles per second is 18 000 miles per minute
and a staggering 1 080 000 miles per hour.

So that's to the moon in just under 15 minutes at top speed. Not bad.

It's also 'only' 0.0016 of light speed which is 670 616 629 miles per hour.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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I've been trying to find the case in the U.S. that was very similar to this. Was seen on the ground, from two radar towers, and visually followed by a jet. If he would catch up, it would accelerate with ease and keep out of reach. After awhile, the guy flying the jet got a bit freaked (and low on gas), and turned back. Those cases are great, and rather difficult to debunk.

I personally don't think many of the sightings these days are advanced military craft (I love the idea about how we would test fly super-secret technology over other countries, giving them every chance to shoot it down / steal the technology). But it's an easy out for skeptics now. Can't come up with any other decent solution? Well, let's fall back on the ol' super secret military craft theory. Can't be disproved after all.

But those cases when that technology did not exist, those are very cool. And why I think more attention should be paid the older cases.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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This is an interesting one...have never heard of it until now. There are cases like this, even before Roswell, yet they still try to deny it....I just don't get it.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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At least two sightings are mentioned Bill Lyne.
One at 9,000 mph and one at 2,000 mph:

I roughly calculated the velocity at near 9,000 m.p.h., based on an approximately 7.5 miles distance required for a 50-foot diameter object to become an infinite point above the horizon, in three seconds. This was a minimum calculation, which I believe was fairly accurate. My eyesight was at least 20/30 at the time. The rapid change to lower altitude seemed designed to diminish the visibility of the ship by the public, when the flight crew suddenly realized that they were over a town.





At that very moment, the ship on the left lit up a dark green, soft glowing color, as it took off in a large circle which took it right back to its previous position, where it stopped on a dime, and returned to its small, “flashing aircraft” mode. As it was flying in the circle, I asked, “Does everyone see that thing?”, to which they all said “Yes!”, as I followed it with my arm and pointing finger. It took about ten seconds, and the circle was about thirty degrees across, so at 10,000 feet, it was doing about 2.000 m.p.h.





posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Hey I'd never seen this thread before so apologies about the double post but but Tifozi has done some remarkable work on this incident here .

Cheers.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Chovy
Nothing and let me say it again nothing man made in 1948 can travel 1200 MPH. Unless it is not man made, and from another planet...


So... where is your proof for that statement?

Your entire post is pointless if you can't support the above statement.

All you can do is tell me certain things were not publicly available... but you have no clue about things that were kept from the public. You don't know what the government had. Even then, the government is not the first and last place to look. There is something called "private experimental craft" that the government doesn't even have knowledge about...

So... this topic is another example of the "uninformed" and "closed minded", in my opinion.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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I agree with you in a sense, i have always acknowledged terrestrial before extra-terrestrial...we know humans and black projects exists, aliens we don't hence my opinion is formed. As a scientist or atleast hobby scientist if im right after following your posts. What kind of propulsion would achieve such speeds? let's remember there are quite a few cases of ufo's reaching speeds from stationary to 3000mph(estimate) instantly and cases where they turn 90 degrees at such speeds aswell. Never mind the shape and design of many ufo objects where i scratch my head and think what human engineer could come up with such a thing. Im still in the no aliens crowd so to speak but im still not completely sure they are man made.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Solomons
Let's remember there are quite a few cases of ufo's reaching speeds from stationary to 3000mph(estimate) instantly and cases where they turn 90 degrees at such speeds as well.



Solomons, good point -there's another interesting pilot report below describing right angle turns from 1951




UFO Observed By Pilots Making 90 Degree Turn ~ September 10, 1951

Document One

Document Two



Lt. Rogers followed the object in a diving turn to the left descending to an altitude of about 16,000 fet with the object about 8,000 feet below and to the right of the aircraft. Thereafter he tried to keep a course paralleling, but above, that of the object.

As soon as Major Ballard completed his radio report he was notified of the strange object. Both watched it make a 90 degree turn to the left and kept it under observation together while it covered approximately 20 miles before it disappeared out to sea.

On the same date a radar station at Ft. Monmouth reported two targets that were unidentified, traveling over 700 mph, and giving returns that could not be explained as being equipment malfunction, anomalous propagation, or anything but an actual target as described in the attached report.


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To just blindly ascribe all these UFO reports (particularly from the 1950's) to 'man made aircraft' is a conspiracy in itself and also leaves a great many unanswered questions.

Cheers.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Well in order to contemplate such things, you have to have more information that is not available.

1: Is there actually people in the craft? Remote controlled or not?

2: What size is the craft?

3: Was it actually a craft or was it something else?

You do know that the military was experimenting with missiles before 1948 right?

Example:
www.probertencyclopaedia.com...


Polaris (US Navy designation UGM-27) was a series of American solid-propellant two-stage underwater-to-surface or surface-to-surface thermo nuclear ballistic missiles made by the Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. Polaris entered production around 1957, the initial model the Polaris A1 had a range of 2200 km. A developed model, the Polaris A2 entered production in 1961 with a range of 2800 km and in 1962 the first test firing of a further developed Polaris A3 model was made. The Polaris A3 had a range of 4630 km. The Polaris series were 1036 cm long and had a flight speed of Mach 10.


Mach 10.... that is about 7612 mph.... in the 1960's.

So the OP is wrong... there is a lot of things, like experimental missiles, that could travel faster. If there is no pilots in it, it could do extreme turns and other maneuvers, intentional or unintentional.

I would hate to "close my mind" and come to the conclusion that it is "alien". Sure it could be a possibility, but there are many more possibilities out there.





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posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:48 AM
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I remember reading about this back when I first discovered the topic of UFO's, and their origins.

...I recall, but can't find them, a couple of stories out of the old Soviet Union around the middle 50's that told of sightings by Soviet astronomers of orbital spaceships of gargantuan size leaving Earth's atmosphere at very impressive velocities.

I'm a skeptic, but hey, I'm willing to be convinced...
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posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Chovy
Nothing and let me say it again nothing man made in 1948 can travel 1200 MPH. Unless it is not man made, and from another planet...


A rocket...


The A-4, later called the V-2, was a single-stage rocket fueled by alcohol and liquid oxygen. It stood 46.1 feet high and had a thrust of 56,000 pounds. The A-4 had a payload capacity of 2,200 pounds and could reach a velocity of 3,500 miles per hour. On October 3, 1942 the A-4 was first launched from Peenemunde.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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Looks like a typo

was doing about 2.000 m.p.h.
but has to
be 2,000 mph as 2,000 x 10 seconds / 3600 seconds hour gives
5 miles and at the estimated

10,000 feet
should work
out.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Chovy cannot answer your post, he was banned some months ago.

But that quote, as it is, is wrong, there were things built by humans that could fly faster than 1200 MPH in 1948, the V2, first used in 1944, could reach speeds of more than 3500 MPH.

Edit: I see I was too late, again.
That's the problem of doing three or four things at the same time.


[edit on 21/3/2010 by ArMaP]



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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In chovy's defense, since he's no longer with us... I believe that he may have been referring to manned vehicles? I don't recall ever hearing of any manned vehicles, at that time, that could reach those speeds.



posted on Mar, 21 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Oops, I didn't realize this was a bumped topic from the past, and the OP was banned.

Sorry.

reply to post by seagull
 



... that is why I said we need more information about the "UFO". We don't know if there was anything in the UFO (manned or unmanned), so it is safe to say that unmanned vehicles are still a possibility.

Why close your mind and think something was in the UFO?


[edit on 21-3-2010 by ALLis0NE]





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