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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 11:16 PM by tatersalad

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

hey electric i have followed you in alot of threads, but i think your missing the issure here. why when anyone talks about israel, is it off limits!!!!!!!!!!. just curious? as the united states spends over 50 million a year for this country and for what? christ as a united states citizen i want a return? i want a answer why we like them and hate the palestinians? WHY, WHY?

the answer is clear, kinda like for every doctor, lawyer, dentist graduating any major college in the united states is 8 - 2 versus non israelies in the united states. SO WOW I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ISRAELS, BUT WHY DO WE LOVE THEM SO MUCH??????????//

reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 11:26 PM by ElectricUniverse

reply to post by tatersalad

Hate the Palestinians? i think you missed the fact that the United States is the one country that sends more aid to Palestinians than ANY other country in the world... Is that a show of hatred?...

You have to understand the difference between just a conversation about the issues between Jewish people in Israel and Palestinians, and attemps to STIR HATRED towards Jewish people, which is what this thread is trying to do.

The OP wants to claim that "zionists must be wiped off the map", but what people like the OP calls "zionists" includes regular Jewish people, and not only those in power, and subsequently ISRAEL ITSELF...

There are some elements who want to destroy Israel at any cost, and they try to stir hatred towards the formation of Israel, but one of the things these same people love to dismiss and ignore is the fact that the Jewish people have been living in that same area, as many Palestinians did, for thousands of years. Yet these people who want the destruction of Israel, and the banning, or even death of the jewish people at least living in Israel post disinformation, lies, and do nothing more than try to stir HATRED towards a group of people.

This sort of thread should not exist because it is not about discussion, it is about spreading HATRED towards Jewish people and the existance of Israel.

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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 11:32 PM by tatersalad

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

OK, so lets say your right, how much exactly do we pay to the palestianians? i would bet its not 50 million a year? lol plz i am not against any one country as i have served in the U. S armed forces. but as the palestians are losing ther houses, shucks just seen that israel is auctioning off whole subdivisions, why not think that there is something more to the equation?

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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 11:45 PM by reticledc

As the lyrics of the tune by rage against the machine go......

"Killing in the name of......"

Rule #1.
NO ONE is better than anyone else.
We are all human.
A fact that is assiduously avoided by every.... single..... religion....and society on Earth.
You would think that after 2000 years of going through all of this crap, we would Wake the hell up.
As long as there is one religion/culture, that professes their superiority and or god given right to exist over another, there will never be any peace.
It's really not anyone fault anyone believes this.
Once set into motion, brainwashing takes on a life of it's own.
Then again, most of humanity can no longer call themselves human anyways, given the atrocities committed, so who cares right?

I do!!
We all do!
One, can have enough hope for all.

I laugh at our ineptitude, including my own.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 12:16 AM by SevenThunders

reply to post by Neo-V™

Good luck with the plan to destroy zionists "off the map". It has been tried several times with ill effects to the aggressors. This of course has been prophesied well in advance in the Bible. All who try to destroy Israel will be destroyed.

Unfortunately the demons squirming the brains of the Jew haters can't help themselves. I suppose since it is through Israel that the messiah has come, the devil and his minions still hate Israel.

Zech. 12

2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. 4 On that day I will strike every horse with panic and its rider with madness," declares the LORD. "I will keep a watchful eye over the house of Judah, but I will blind all the horses of the nations. 5 Then the leaders of Judah will say in their hearts, 'The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the LORD Almighty is their God.'
6 "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place.

7 "The LORD will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8 On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them. 9 On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 12:46 AM by Matrix Rising

I do think that some people go to far with blaming Israel for the troubles in Palestine.

It's the Palestinian government that's to blame. They get rich off of the misery of their people.

For instance, Arafat recieved 55 billion dollars and the people in Palestine live like it's 2,000 B.C. and Arafat died a billionaire. His wife was taking shopping trips in France.

Palestine is about to get another 75 billion and none of that money will reach the Palestinian people unless they become suicide bombers.

This is because the leaders spend the money and then blame Israel and America for Palestinian problems. These crooks have useful idiots in this country that will help them.

Look at all of the rich Arab countries surrounding Palestine. Palestine has crooked leaders who get rich from the misery of the Palestinian people. No different than other dictators like Mugabe or Kim-Jong Il.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:22 AM by Dallas87

Umm I'm from texas and please don't call me some dumb redneck I'm from dallas there's not too many of those in the city.

First of all down here in the south there are jews but not as promenant as florida or new york or omg California. Me like most other texans don't hate jews. I'm not anti semetic but I hate zionism.

Zionism is the jewish extremist agenda and everytime someone brings it up... ohh ohh he's anit semetic he's a jew hater.....whoah whoah buddy easy now. I turn the tv on and its holocaust this holocaust that. And all these like little jewish enuendos that's a part of the zionist agenda. In texas we know, jews run the media, the news papers, hollywood. I've wikipedia'd so many actors and even looked at statistics. 68% of hollywood are jews and you pretty much have no chance of becoming an actor or actress unless your jewish and u know some people or your kissing jewish butt.

And the whole whining about the holocaust thing, its been nearly 80 years come off it. Most of the jews today didn't live then and you can't use it as an excuse for everything.

What about the christian holocaust that oh what's that ya never hear about.

Russian jews in 1600's slaughtered thousands of christians.
Brutal hangings burnings slayings.
But never hear about it cause that disrupts the agenda.

Not all jews are bad just the zionist extremists.
Don't be extreme.
Stop crying.
Quit oie veying.
No sniffles.
Hault the jew gander.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 04:35 AM by Neo-V™

reply to post by Dermo

It is funny isn't it, and I'll tell you what else I find funny, is that I am getting the same ignorant responses here, as I do on other forums.

I love Techno too btw, just for you - Carl Cox Vs. Kevin Saunderson

Originally posted by centurion1211
Because these people want the Jewish people DEAD - even if they don't have the cojones to come right out and say it - and the ones posting against all the other groups you mentioned just want their influence to go away.

LOL, are you for real.

Originally posted by centurion1211
COEXIST, my a$$ ...

Considering the hostility of your posts, it's no wonder you don't grasp the concept of it. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the Israeli Governments treatment of the Palestinian people, is it right, do you condone it ect?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

First of all, read This Post

"The Jewish people have as much right to live, and have their own state, as Palestinians do..." No one is saying they shouldn't, and the irony is that those who defend Israel like they have on this thread, don't want the Palestinians to have their own state, and would be happy to see Israel erase them from history, but will call others hypocrites and racists.
This is one planet, we are all human, and we should all "Coexist" the best we can.

reply to post by tatersalad

The source for US military aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated February 3, 2009. According to this report, by early February 2009, the US had already given Israel at least $2.55 billion ($2,500,000,000) in military aid for Fiscal Year 2009.

Source

reply to post by Matrix Rising

Really, I wonder why that is - Hitler Yesterday Israel Today

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 04:52 AM by Dermo

Originally posted by centurion1211
Because these people want the Jewish people DEAD - even if they don't have the cojones to come right out and say it - and the ones posting against all the other groups you mentioned just want their influence to go away.

There, does that help you get it?

Thats completely ridiculous.. That explains absolutely nothing apart from obvious conditioning to an idea. Jewish people are no different to anyone else, fair enough, they had to deal with genocide generations ago but so have us Irish, up to 3.5 million dead simply because we were Catholic.. but its fine to slate Catholicism to an Irish person for some reason..

Double standards are great aren't they.

I haven't a racist bone in my body and have friends of every colour, creed etc..
Once I posted a link on this site to an article about how wealthy Jewish people became so powerful over the years.. within 2 replies, all I got no matter what I replied back, was a bombardment of "Hater" and "Anti Semite" etc.. the point of the thread was completely lost to the idiots who only wanted to shout about how racist I was even though it was obvious to me that they were the ones with the problems.. similar to this thread.

I can see the point that the story is making, it doesn't come across as anti semitic to me because it is talking about Jewish Zionists (who obviously had an agenda) .. not the average Jewish person.

Obviously thats waaaaaaaaayyyy to hard for some people to wrap their heads around.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 04:54 AM by Dermo

Originally posted by Neo-V™
I love Techno too btw, just for you - Carl Cox Vs. Kevin Saunderson

Nice!!

Whoop!!

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 05:43 AM by KRISKALI777

reply to post by Neo-V™

Yes yes yes......isn't it interesting the predictable responses one gets when addressing such a 'Taboo' topic??
The quetsion is : Why so taboo?
It never seases to amaze me the amount of opposition that is encountered by others that are totally bipartisan to the topic. I never thought so many, could be so misguided by recorded (doctored) history. How do each of us know the whole story if we weren't actually there (Generally and objectively)?

The other thing that blows me away, is that the whole reason I joined this forum was to write in communication regarding un-orthodox subjects and points of view; and enjoy intelligent debate- without being called anti this of that, bigot, facist,nazi, satanic etc........I guess sadly, I was wrong.Again.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 05:45 AM by Roufas

I think some people forget that the name of the thread is the name of the article , it was not the OP that invented it.

It would be interesting to also see that the Zionists do not give a crap about the Jewish. They use their "jewish" label for convenience , so that when THEY are targeted by other people because of their misdeeds, the rest of the sheeples will be right ahead to defend them , thinking they are defending the whole of the Jewish people against injustice.

And that is exactly what happens.

I bet Zionists always have a good laugh , when they see the same people they sent to death in Nazi Germany, defending their murderers so blindly!

It is either that or they always have their agents set to cause "forum riots" heh

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 05:57 AM by mattpryor

reply to post by Neo-V™

Does believing that Israel has a right to exist as a secure nation with defensible borders make me a Zionist?

Does recognising that Israel is the ONLY liberal, democratic country in the Middle East, surrounded by military dictatorships whose populations despise Israel, and recognising the security implications for the 8 million people that live there make me a Zionist?

Does believing that the civilized world has a duty and an obligation to ensure that the horrors inflicted on the Jewish people, not just during WWII but throughout recorded history, must NEVER happen again make me a Zionist?

If the answer to the above questions is yes, are you going to wipe me off the map too?

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:27 AM by Roufas

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Neo-V™

Does believing that Israel has a right to exist as a secure nation with defensible borders make me a Zionist?

Does recognising that Israel is the ONLY liberal, democratic country in the Middle East, surrounded by military dictatorships whose populations despise Israel, and recognising the security implications for the 8 million people that live there make me a Zionist?

Does believing that the civilized world has a duty and an obligation to ensure that the horrors inflicted on the Jewish people, not just during WWII but throughout recorded history, must NEVER happen again make me a Zionist?

If the answer to the above questions is yes, are you going to wipe me off the map too?

The answer is No to all your questions.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:30 AM by Neo-V™

Originally posted by KRISKALI777
The other thing that blows me away, is that the whole reason I joined this forum was to write in communication regarding un-orthodox subjects and points of view; and enjoy intelligent debate- without being called anti this of that, bigot, facist,nazi, satanic etc........I guess sadly, I was wrong.Again.

Those are the same reasons I joined, but have found that no matter what forum you post on, no other subject gets more hate directed at the original poster or at those who share similar views.

This is a good read - Zionism and the Third Reich

Conclusion

In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:33 AM by Donnie Darko

I think Zionism, basically, is the Jewish elite, who are now agnostic/atheist and no longer believe in Yahweh, joined the unified NWO.

Did you know that probably at least half of the signers of the Project For The New American Century are Jewish? Most of the others are Roman Catholic, neo-cons, and even convicted felons.

Not saying Catholics and Jews are bad (I'm Catholic by heritage myself even), but seeing how a few groups are so highly represented in the Project For The New American Century to me shows that it is an alliance between the extreme left and extreme right.

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reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:38 AM by mattpryor

reply to post by Roufas

But if you look through some of the replies to posts I've made on this Site you'll see me getting called a Zionist plenty of times, by the likes of ProtoplasmicTraveller, MasonWatcher etc, because I basically disagree with their arguments about Israel and their interpretation of history.

If having the opinions I have makes me a Zionist then I don't have a problem with that label, in fact I'll wear it with pride.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:45 AM by undermind

Hating on them has been the biggest rip-off in both this and the last century.

Just looked at Google Map of Israel.

That's one small country dude, and lookin over it, I'd have to say

Well done. Good agrcultural set up. Great work, Jewish people.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:50 AM by Roufas

reply to post by mattpryor

They either do not know what a zionist is , or are trying to call you a pro-zionist.

Which are pretty different labels to say the least. You do not sound like one though.

Wanting to see your country in a good state and in harmony is natural. Wanting to avoid past mistakes in history is also normal.

If you want some good information on true Zionists , try reading a book called "Protocol". You will see you cannot be a zionist simply because you want to be one , even if you condone their actions.

But as I said , most of the Jew protect (or condone thee actions of) the Zionists because they are being fooled , or they do not see the bigger picture. They believe the Zionists to be one of them , and that they will be their saviors. When in actual fact the Zionists have their own agenda , do not care abot the Jew , or anyone for that matter. The Jew label is just convenient to them , and that is it.

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 06:51 AM by Neo-V™

reply to post by mattpryor

My answer is no, to all of them, and the irony is that I share those same views.

Now let me ask you two questions...

1. Does my questioning of the Israeli Governments actions towards the Palestinians imply that I wish to see the eradication of a whole race of people?

2. Do you approve of the eradication of the rest of Palestine to expand Israel?