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Originally posted by Neo-V™
Originally posted by centurion1211
And about your "coexist" signature?
What it says on the tin, not sure what else about it you want to know.
Originally posted by Harlequin
from a purely historical standpoint - whilst the zionists goal was to return to the biblical lands - which is the whole original ideal of zionism by using any means neccessasry , and were not happy at all with the british mandate on palestine - which in trun lead to the murder of britsh peace keepers and acts of barabic terrorism by groups such as the stern gang , irgun and finally in 1946 - the haganah to fight the british.
[edit on 18/8/09 by Harlequin]
Originally posted by centurion1211
That is the definition of hypocrisy. Check your mirror ...
THE GRANDCHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FROM WORLD WAR II ARE DOING TO THE PALESTINIANS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO THEM BY NAZI GERMANY … BUILDING WALLS & FENCES TO KEEP PEOPLE IN PRISON
Zionism convicts itself.
On June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation sent a secret memorandum to the Nazis:
"Zionism has no illusions about the difficulty of the Jewish condition, which consists above all in an abnormal occupational pattern and in the fault of an intellectual and moral posture not rooted in one's own tradition. Zionism recognized decades ago that as a result of the assimilationist trend, symptoms of deterioration were bound to appear, which it seeks to overcome by carrying out its challenge to transform Jewish life completely.
"It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims at a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry--indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions.
"Zionism believes that a rebirth of national life, such as is occurring in German life through adhesion to Christian and national values, must also take place in the Jewish national group. For the Jew, too, origin, religion, community of fate and group consciousness must be of decisive significance in the shaping of his life. This means that the egotistic individualism which arose in the liberal era must be overcome by public spiritedness and by willingness to accept responsibility."
By 1936, the Post ran a news flash, "German Zionists Seek Recognition":
"A bold demand that the German Zionist Federation be given recognition by the Government as the only instrument for the exclusive control of German Jewish life was made by the Executive of that body in a proclamation today. All German Jewish organizations, it was declared, should be dominated by the Zionist spirit."
Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany."
Avraham Stern and his followers announced that
"The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and,
3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."
The Zionist also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists.
He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a “leading Haganah functionary.” The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis’ payroll “as an informer.”
Brenner isn’t the first writer to address the mostly taboo subject of how the Zionist leadership cooperated with the Nazis. Rolf Hilberg’s seminal “The Destruction of European Jews”; Hannah Arendt’s “Eichmann in Jerusalem”; Ben Hecht’s “Perfidy”; Edwin Black’s “The Transfer Agreement”; Francis R. Nicosia’s “The Third Reich and the Palestine Question”; Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic’s “I Cannot Forgive”; and Rafael Medoff’s “The Deadening Silence: American Jews and the Holocaust,” also dared, with varying public success.
After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a “fanatical Zionist.” Kastner was later assassinated in 1 / 2 Home Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary’s Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps.
Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, “I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. ‘You can have the others,’ he would say, ‘but let me have this group here.’ And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape.”
Readers, too, will be surprised to learn, that after the Nuremberg Anti-Jewish Race Laws were enacted in Sept., 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler’s favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine.
Originally posted by Dermo
What makes it Ok to question and insult every aspect of every other creed or ethnic group except the Jewish one?
I don't get it.
Because these people want the Jewish people DEAD - even if they don't have the cojones to come right out and say it - and the ones posting against all the other groups you mentioned just want their influence to go away.
There, does that help you get it?
COEXIST, my a$$ ...
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread493036
Wow! You don't think that could have anything to do with them not being able to hold on topic intelligent conversations like every other group.
Or...that every other group doesn't profess to be mind readers that absolutely know what their debate counterparts are thinking.
This is just reverse racism, and prejudice, and stereo typing, and a really pathetic attempt to avoid the fact that Zionists funded Hitler even knowing his stance on Eugenics and Euthanasia.
It's really sad the way some people who just want to sweep history under the rug and pretend they are the mind reading morality police just hijack a thread, derail the topic and keep everyone bickering instead of learning.
Why do that, when you could simply join the topical discussion and state why you don't believe Hitler helped to spur immigration to Palestine.
Could it be because there is no disputing he helped to spur immigration to Palestine?
Or is there something more sinister to the Zionist agenda of stamping out free speech in America in our lifetime?
You mean you think Jews are incapable of holding intelligent conversations? But weren't a lot of very top scientists Jewish? Just when I was thinking I liked your posts on other threads.
Guess you'd have to be a mind reader to decipher this ...
I haven't personally seen any evidence of that. If true, you can't fix stupid.
If Hitler did that, it would make historical sense since he wanted to get rid of the Jews. Guess it didn't work or work fast enough for him, so he then decided to kill 6 million that remained.
I wonder, too, where the evidence of that is ...
Originally posted by JJay55
Originally posted by centurion1211
Best (worst?) example of a trolling thread I've seen in quite some time ...
Racism against Jews.
Where's the mods?
Originally posted by Discotech
Everytime anyone ever mentions anything about Israel and the Jews some idiot comes and pulls out the "anti-semite" card, without thinking or even bothering to read what the discussion and content is
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) funds programs that help people living in the West Bank and Gaza lead healthier and more productive lives. Since 1993, Palestinians have received more than $2.2 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects - more than from any other donor country.
The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed an estimated $2.2 billion through USAID since 1993. Funding has supported programs in the areas of water and sanitation, infrastructure, education, health, economic growth, and democracy. The United States also is committed to continuing assistance for basic human needs in both the West Bank and Gaza, including emergency food, health care, and access to safe water. In Gaza, much of this is accomplished through the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and local and international nongovernmental organizations (NGOs).