Obama Joker artist unmasked: A fellow Chicagoan

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Why did FOX news support Bush SO much and now is ragging on Obama every chance they get? Why did MSNBC point out Bush's failings every day, but now Obama can do no wrong?

There has to be some sort of balance to the dozen left wing democrat shill networks, Hollywood and most print media. When Bush was president, they were all allied against him, with the exception of Fox. Now they are all "working for Barack Obama", with the exception of Fox.

If anything, there needs to be more Foxes!

[edit on 18-8-2009 by Wimbly]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I wasn't answering any questions you asked me about my opinions. I was commenting on the fact the you will pick one sentence out of a paragraph that you can spin the make you look good. Not only did I point out that you do that, you then replied by doing it again. Just taking a sentence from my reply stating that I distrust you, and then trying to look cool by saying I broke your heart, rather than actually addressing the point I was making.

That is like saying, "Mr. President, with all the evidence supporting the theory that 9/11 was an inside job, why don't we have a investigation with our last president, George Bush, as well as the lease holder of the WTC as suspects, rather than Osama bin Laden being that the FBI doesn't even list 9/11 as a reason why Osama bin Laden is wanted?"

And then having the President respond like you do, "Yes, I am Mr. President and yes, George Bush was the president before me."

Obama is no statesman... He is a chimp in a suit wanting to do to us what Hitler did to his people. Those deemed not worthy of life are killed by any means necessary..

Seems that is the manta on the left. "By any means necessary" and they have just the "chimp Hitler" to carry out their plan if we let him. Looks like the chimp is losing....

Originally posted by northof8
Obama is no statesman... He is a chimp in a suit wanting to do to us what Hitler did to his people. Those deemed not worthy of life are killed by any means necessary

...

"chimp Hitler"

...

Looks like the chimp is losing....

I'm not going to comment on this because I don't want to be accused of 'playing the race card'.

Seriously though, say that in a room full of black people. I dare you.

And do you honestly believe the diatribe you're spewing? "Those deemed not worthy of life are killed by any means necessary".

Honestly? Are you that closed-minded? Are you that ignorant? Are you that gullible?

Originally posted by AliBruh
Not only did I point out that you do that, you then replied by doing it again. Just taking a sentence from my reply stating that I distrust you, and then trying to look cool by saying I broke your heart, rather than actually addressing the point I was making.

I trim my quotes to contain the portion I'm addressing. If I trimmed away something you wanted me to address, I'll be glad to address it. Is it this?

Originally posted by AliBruh
"Recently there was a guy that was arrested for threatening to kill Obama. The MSM was all over it for days. What they didn't tell you , is that he was also threatening Bush. It was only after he threatened Obama that he was arrested."

I don't know of this story. I can't comment on it. Do you have a link? If so, I'll be glad to comment on it. But it's hardly relevant to this thread. I've already said that the media is biased. Not sure what you want from me...

All I am addressing is that if you care to take sentences out of people's posts that aren't even the main point of their post, and then turn them around on the poster, then I really don't see why you bother posting. People who take things out of context to make them sound the way they want are essentially liars in my book and when I come to a messageboard to find truth, it sucks having to listen to liars.

And to be honest, I didn't really have a point besides telling you to fully reply to a whole post, not just part of it.

Let's try this again:

Wimbly says:

"Recently there was a guy that was arrested for threatening to kill Obama. The MSM was all over it for days. What they didn't tell you , is that he was also threatening Bush. It was only after he threatened Obama that he was arrested."

So then you quote :

"Recently there was a guy that was arrested for threatening to kill Obama."

To which to reply:

"I thought you said no one wanted to kill him! So, now you're disagreeing with yourself! I give up!"

Maybe if you read the entire paragraph rather than just the first sentence and then reply, you'd understand he was trying to say that Bush was threatened in the MSM yet no one called it out as terrorism or racism whereas no one in the MSM has threatened Obama yet the MSM are trying to drum up fear about people wanting to assassinate Obama by using the word terrorist and making armed protesters look like crazy extremists who want to shoot Obama rather than protesters who don't wanna end up like the protesters in Iran.



[edit on 18-8-2009 by AliBruh]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why? Why all of a sudden, was this man's birthplace questioned?

Well, we have...to name a few...
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Andrew Jackson
Abraham Lincoln
Theodore Roosevelt
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter

Barack Obama????? Huh? What is that? Where's he from? Doesn't sound AMERICAN to me. Sounds Middle-Eastern. Sounds Islamic.

People truly have a right to wonder....no matter what the skin tone is. In fact, I think it's fair to say that nobody really detests "skin color". There are alot of really strikingly beautiful black people out there, and there's no denying that. Most people base judgements on their "experiences" with other races, not the color of their skin. IF you have one too many negative experiences time and again with one particular race, you begin to form a general opinion. It's only natural....we learn through our experiences in life.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by rocknroll]

Originally posted by Wimbly
When Bush was president, they were all allied against him, with the exception of Fox. Now they are all "working for Barack Obama", with the exception of Fox.

Actually, in truth, FOX didn't blindly "support" GWB. Rather, FOX attacked those who attacked Bush on trumped-up charges. That's not the same thing as supporting Bush.

For example, when caches of WMD were not found in Iraq, the Congressional Democrats who voted for invasion tried to distance themselves from blame by accusing Bush and the CIA of lying about WMD. This metamorphosed into the bogus "Bush Lied and People Died" propaganda, which was quickly taken up by brainless liberal parrots across the country.

Problem with that tactic was that other notable statesmen — such as President Bill Clinton — had warned us of Iraq's WMD long before George Bush was ever in the White House. Democrat Senators — such as Hillary Clinton — conducted their own investigations into the WMD situation in Iraq and concluded that invasion was not only advisable but necessary to the security of the world. The United Nations itself had repeatedly warned Iraq of the consequences of caching WMD — during the decade before Bush, the UN had already issued 16 resolutions threatening Iraq with military intervention. And, of course, Saddam Hussein himself continually boasted of his arsenal of WMD and threatened to use it.

So, a lot of people did indeed die, but not because GWB lied.

Bush utilized the same information amassed by the United Nations and the CIA under the Clinton Administration as well as international intelligence agencies, so Bush didn't have to fabricate anything... The table was already set when he came into office.

Nonetheless, the very same Congressional Democrats who voted to invade Iraq and who continued funding the war for years are the ones who started the "Bush Lied" campaign. They were washing the blood from their own hands.

FOX News repeatedly exposed these facts when the rest of the MSM wouldn't even touch it. Critics of FOX pointed to this as evidence that FOX was biased in favor of the president — but, actually, FOX was the only news outlet biased in favor of the TRUTH.

I'm fairly certain that the critics of FOX probably never watch FOX and probably never watched it during the Bush administration. If they had watched FOX, they would have seen those "evil mongers" Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly slamming George Bush and his policies on a regular basis.

In fact, if you had watched FOX during the "Immigration Reform" debacle of 2007, you would have thought you were watching any typical Bush-bashing mainstream media outlet. When it came to protecting our borders and flushing out the 12 million illegal aliens in our country, FOX News was not the friend of the Bush administration, nor was it the friend of anyone in Congress who endorsed open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.

Even during the 2007-2008 presidential campaign, FOX did not side with GOP candidate John McCain, primarily because McCain was an arrogant, aisle-crossing asshole during the Immigration Reform debate of the previous year. In fact, it was not at all unusual to see FOX more often warmly welcoming Democrat commentators, such as Joe Lieberman, who were on the opposite side of the Immigration Reform debate.

So, while it's always easier for the ignorant liberal contingent out there to accuse FOX of being "right wing" and blindly supporting the GOP, the fact is that FOX comes closer to being "fair and balanced" than any of the lopsided Lefty MSM.

— Doc Velocity

First of all for those who have no clue as to why it has sprung up all over the planet. Alex jones of the popular website infowars.com is doing a Obama joker poster contest and anyone who wants to find this out can simply go to youtube.com and type in Obama joker poster contest. Secondly it has not a Damn thing to do with race it has to do with the fact that Obama is a psycho Evil fool much like the Joker of the batman movies stealing 23.7 trillion dollars from the american people and giving it over to the privately owned banks so that they can put alot of it in their pockets and some of it into the stock market to make us all belive that we are pulling out of an economic tailspin. When in fact this country is just taking a deep breath before we plunge into an even further abyss while big banks and privately owned corperations try to vacum clean the rest of our money from us. And i for one along with millions of other americans have been posting these up to show Obama for the crook that he is. Not ANYTHING to do with race. MONEY MONEY MONEY WHO DO YOU LOVE???????

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Alxandro
An "honored statesman" is not the same as a President.

Oh, really?

Statesman:

1 : one versed in the principles or art of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies

mw

I really don't want you to choke on that tough pill, but by the definition YOU yourself provided, George W. Bush qualifies as a Statesman as well.




[edit on 18-8-2009 by Alxandro]

Originally posted by Wimbly

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August 17, 2009 | 6:29 pm

Firas-alkhateed

When cryptic posters portraying President Obama as the Joker from "Batman" began popping up around Los Angeles and other cities, the question many asked was, Who is behind the image?

Was it an ultra-conservative grassroots group or a disgruntled street artist going against the grain?

Nope, it turns out, just a 20-year-old college student from Chicag

(visit the link for the full news article)

You misrepresented the whole story. That kid only made the photo and put it on the web. Someone else took it, added the socialism slogan, and pasted it all over the town.

Originally posted by really
Really? I never looked at it as that. Why not just paint him with a white face then?
...
Obviously, if this article is correct, we're all wrong. It was just some dude playing around with photo shop.

As the article stated, the poster maker didn't make the image itself but just "borrowed" it.

I figured it was somebody who watched "The Dark Knight" and figured Obama was like the Joker as "some people just want to see the world burn." Figured it was somebody who thought he was destroying everything.

The fire cleanses the soul. Now that you mention it, the allegory is quite relevant to the present. The joker may not actually be an enemy so much as a passage through to a new level.

However, I'm not saying that he is a racist at all.... but, in my mind, an arab can be racist against whites or blacks or asians; blacks against whites, middle easterners, asians - etc, etc.

Sure, why not. There's no doubt it exists and exist it does as the fire brings light to the dark places.

I never saw the joker face as racist but, if you think it was racist, why couldn't a palestinian be racist against blacks?

I didn't say it was racist either. It's a type of pole shift. Things get turned on their head.

Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

So, this really doesn't solve the whole mystery of who and why.

I can answer why for you, because its they're right to. Why the fevered search for who made it? Does the MSM want to publicly excoriate him?

No one has the right to put stickers all over federal property. I can't put FBI sucks stickers all over one of their regional offices. That's called vandalism. There are plenty of public places to put posters. The Supreme Court is behind free speech rights but they have also said that the government has the right to regulate to some extent the manner of expression, provided it applies equally to all people and ideas. You can't dump garbage all over a park to protest non-biodegradable plastics either.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by andrewh7]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Why? Why all of a sudden, was this man's birthplace questioned?

Because his life is a foggy mess.

- numerous name changes
- numerous out of CONUS residence changes
- numerous religion changes
- numerous citizenship changes
- numerous records being hidden, including birth records

Not to mention all the lies he's been caught in and the nefarious underworld connections he has. Those issues go towards his (lack of) character and believability with ANY issue.

If he'd just release what's in the vault most of the questioning would go away.

And it's not the first time a POTUS has had his place of birth questioned.

Was American POTUS Chester Arthur born in Canada?

Presidents get questioned all the time. George W. Bush was accused of being AWOL from military duty. People kept saying he wasn't where he was supposed to be, etc etc. He pulled out old medical records (or dental records, I can't remember which), that showed he was indeed on base during the time that people were accusing him of being AWOL. He didn't HAVE to do it. But he did it to prove he was there and to make the issue go away.

Obama isn't alone in being questioned.

[edit on 8/19/2009 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Presidents get questioned all the time. George W. Bush was accused of being AWOL from military duty. People kept saying he wasn't where he was supposed to be, etc etc.

And let us not forget that the mainstream media went so far as fabricating "evidence" against George W. Bush. In the bogus AWOL story, TV journalism giant Dan Rather disgraced himself and CBS television by disseminating fraudulent documents purported to "prove" that Bush had gone AWOL.

Those documents — presented on 60 Minutes as "official" memoranda — had been forged using modern desktop publishing equipment. Dan Rather was so bold as to defend the authenticity of the documents; when it was proven conclusively that the documents were forgeries, Rather resigned his position at CBS.

That's just one instance of the MSM attacking George Bush and getting caught red-handed. Undoubtedly, the MSM ran multiple fraudulent attacks that were never exposed, and they're probably still at it today — except, today, they're attacking the American people while defending the socialist assholes in Congress and the White House.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 8/19/2009 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by AliBruh
All I am addressing is that if you care to take sentences out of people's posts that aren't even the main point of their post, and then turn them around on the poster, then I really don't see why you bother posting.

So YOU can address just part of my post, but if I address just part of someone's post, I "shouldn't even bother posting"... Thanks for your hypocritical opinion.

And to be honest, I didn't really have a point besides telling you to fully reply to a whole post, not just part of it.

I will reply to any part of any post that I wish, thank you. You aren't the posting police. And there are no rules or guidelines whatsoever that suggest we reply to the entire post. And I offered to reply to the entire post, but not unless I have something to read that verifies the information. I don't think that's asking too much.

Maybe if you read the entire paragraph

I DID read the entire paragraph. I am unfamiliar with the story, and since he left no source for me to read, I didn't address it. I'm not in the habit of talking about things that I don't know about.

Besides, I have already addressed the issue about Bush:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm not ignoring it. You said no one wants to kill Obama and I disagreed. Bush is irrelevant.I'm not making any claims about Bush.

I'm sorry that's not good enough for you. But it has been addressed. This red herring of yours has no purpose other then to take the thread off topic and I'll not respond further to this line of thought. If Wimbly wants to ask me something, I'll be glad to answer.

Originally posted by Alxandro
by the definition YOU yourself provided, George W. Bush qualifies as a Statesman as well.

Of course he does. And if you read my post, you'll know that I wasn't calling Obama a statesman. I was talking about how the media views him. READ the bold:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
But I wonder if it's respect...Putting a joker face on Bush is practically ignored because he's a clown, anyway. Doing the same thing to Obama is being highly disrespectful of an honored statesman. I think that's how the media is viewing this. They aren't aware of any hypocrisy.

I wasn't making any statement about what I think of Obama. For the last time, I was trying to figure out WHY the media is SO in love with Obama, when they didn't give George Bush the same treatment. I'm not arguing that. I'm agreeing with that.

I think you are so stuck on arguing that you can't even manage to have a decent discussion with someone who agrees with you... It's pretty sad.

Originally posted by rocknroll
Barack Obama????? Huh? What is that? Where's he from? Doesn't sound AMERICAN to me. Sounds Middle-Eastern. Sounds Islamic.

Well, at least you're honest about it. Thanks.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- numerous name changes
- numerous out of CONUS residence changes
- numerous religion changes
- numerous citizenship changes
- numerous records being hidden, including birth records

These are just stupid, false rumors that have been debunked, yet continue to be circulated by those with an agenda.

- He never legally changed his name. If so, provide change of name documents. Divorced parents often use the step-father's last name for the child without legally changing it, so the entire family shares the same last name.
- Of course he lived outside of CONUS. HE WAS BORN outside of CONUS.
- A child doesn't choose his religion. Besides, it's totally irrelevant.
- Show me valid change of citizenship documents. He was born a citizen of the US and that has never changed.
- His birth records are no more hidden than yours or mine. They are private documents, just like yours and mine.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by FlyersFan
- numerous name changes
- numerous out of CONUS residence changes
- numerous religion changes
- numerous citizenship changes
- numerous records being hidden, including birth records

These are just stupid, false rumors that have been debunked, yet continue to be circulated by those with an agenda.

1 - They are not stupid.
2 - They are not false rumors.
3 - They haven't been 'debunked' because they are true.
4 - Wanna' talk about people with an agenda ...

He definately HAS had numerous name changes. He admits it himself.
Legal or not ... he has used many different first and last names.

He has had numerous out of CONUS residence change as well as at least one visit to an unstable muslim country that was under marshal law. He admits it. The documentation of him living in the USA and overseas is well established.

He himself admits the numerous religious changes. From nothing, to just loooooooooving the Muslim Call to Prayer and calling it the most beautiful sound on earth (paraphrase), to black liberation theology, to christian, to his current religion which is PANDER .. pander to whoever he is with at the time.

His different citizenships USA & Indonesian) have been established and more facts are unfolding. At the very least he has been American and Indonesian. His school recordss from Indonesia are pubic and they say VERY CLEARLY that he is a muslim Indonesian. Legal or not ... either way .... it was claimed and that was what he was living under.

The numerous documents that he has not released is a fact. At the core is the original long form birth certificate that is (allegedly) in a vault in Hawaii. He's spending a lot of time, energy and money to keep it hidden.

These are not 'stupid, false rumors' that have been debunked.
YOU asked why this POTUS was being questioned.
The answer is very clear and I just spoon fed it to you.
His murky background that is full of constant change is why.
The fact that he's a typical liar politician and he's working so hard to
keep documents and facts hidden raises red flags with Americans.
(as it should if ANY liar politician hides things about him/her self)

As i pointed out, he isn't the first POTUS to have his place of birth questioned. This fact ruins the 'you are racist for questioning him' bunk that some like to spew (or insinuate).

If a white republican with the same murky background was POTUS I am absolutely sure that many of those who are now shilling for Obama would be just as loudly calling for the white republican to prove his eligibility. (and I would be calling for it as well)

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Legal or not ... either way .... it was claimed and that was what he was living under.

Oh, well, "it was CLAIMED"! Why didn't you say so? I didn't realize that someone claiming something made it the Truth.

Just as I thought. It's all opinion, conjecture and "claims" without any proof to back it up.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Oh, well, "it was CLAIMED"! Why didn't you say so? I didn't realize that someone claiming something made it the Truth.

Just as I thought. It's all opinion, conjecture and "claims" without any proof to back it up.

It was CLAIMED BY OBAMA .. you know that. His documents proclaimed him to be a muslim Indonesian. He's admitted going to that school. You've seen the school documents. You've seen his registration. It's been plastered all over this site.

Don't play stupid.

Here .. I'll spoon feed you again.

Image here

Barry Soetoro ... Muslim Indonesian

Story Here

This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro

As stated - this is part of his fuzzy past that sends red flags up for Americans. These are FACTS - not opinion and conjecture.

ON TOPIC ... interesting video ....



The power of Iconography.
At around 6:45 the commentator discusses the Obama Joker picture.
The entire video is well done



[edit on 8/19/2009 by FlyersFan]