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posted on May, 12 2004 @ 06:30 PM
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I have no comment to make on this, except to share this with you all.

straight copy of the AP article:
ap.tbo.com...
Congressmen Describe Pornographic and Violent Images
The Associated Press
Published: May 12, 2004

Members of Congress saw classified images of Iraqi prisoner abuse Wednesday. Some of their descriptions of the photos and videos they saw:
- A clothed man beating himself against a wall as though to knock himself unconscious. "I saw cruel, sadistic torture," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.

- A prisoner apparently sodomizing himself with a foreign object. "There were certain wounds," said Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz. "I didn't see anyone inflicting wounds but it was certainly implied that they were inflicted."

- More than seven soldiers standing in a hallway with a clump of people tied together on the floor. "You can't tell me all of this is going on with seven or eight Army privates," said Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.

- Pornographic images involving prisoners. "It was hard to tell what orifice you were looking at in the pictures I saw," said Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla.

- Dogs snarling at prisoners and women being forced to disrobe. "I don't know how the hell these people got into our army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, R-Colo.

- People in body bags and a person with a disfigured face, although apparently no images of violence being done to those people. "It's hard to believe that these injuries or pictures that you see would have occurred without violence," said Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb.

- "People were, I believe, forced to smash heads against doors until their heads broke open. There were people who were forced to have sex with each other," said Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y.

- U.S. soldiers engaged in "pornographic" acts with each other. "It certainly was so far unbecoming of what we expect from American soldiers. It's so terribly disappointing," said Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn.

- A dead prisoner and others with several cuts on their bodies. "We have no clue if that was inside the prison or in a battleground. There is no context to a lot of these pictures," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio.




posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:12 PM
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what no one cares about this anymore?

you have both democrats and republicans describing what they saw, let me guess, these were all fakes right?


btw, you all knew I wouldn't stay long without commenting on this anyways.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:26 PM
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worldwatcher,

I HAVE commented. The "far worse photos" do not make this worse for me. It was as shameful with the first as it will be with the last.

I'm disgusted.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:26 PM
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Worldwatcher, it is deplorable to say the least. Maybe there was a breakdown in the chain of command and maybe there wasn't. I don't think it's totally fair to fault the soldiers involved because as they say, the fog of war ... but I agree it does not cast the US armed forces in a positive light. Regardless of whether American POWs were ever treated this way in Iraq, it doesn't make those involved look like the professional soldiers we expect ours to be.

With that said, I think people are worn out on this subject. We've had countless posts on ATS about this and we're getting blasted on the news and online media about this. I for one would like to see this never happen again.

My $0.02.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:30 PM
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unfortunately we will be hearing about pictures like these for a while and they will everywhere you turn, magazine, news, internet etc.

after reading the descriptions of these photos and just hearing about the sheer number of incidents, it is obvious that this was not an isolated incident with just a few people involved

the soldiers involved that are currently being charged are not the only ones to blame. Yes they may have been coerced to doing what they did, but you would think more of them would have had some balls to speak up or realize what they were doing was wrong. Some of them seemed to enjoy what they were doing.


[Edited on 5-12-2004 by worldwatcher]



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:46 PM
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Everyone says the media shouldn't of shown the photos, but if 60 minutes didn't show them, the President of the United States and the Secretary of Defense would never of seen them! Bush and Rumsfeld say the first they heard of it was when they saw it on tv. Actually, Rumsfeld said he heard of the abuse earlier, just hadn't seen the pictures.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:48 PM
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so what's worse? porn or a video of a man getting his head chopped off with a dull knife? yes it was a dull knide. they didn't even bother making a clean slice. they basically sawed through his neck.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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silq you cannot compare the two. those iraqis who survived the torture have to live with it everyday for the rest of their lives. I don't mean to make light of Berg's death, but he is in a much better place now (where ever and whatever his beliefs were) than he was while he was alive.

death is death and is always worse, however why such a big deal over this particular beheading, a kidnapped italian was executed on video (or am I wrong), soldiers get blown up and shot at everyday. In a war environment every death should be a big deal, not just the method of the act of murder.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by curme
Bush and Rumsfeld say the first they heard of it was when they saw it on tv. Actually, Rumsfeld said he heard of the abuse earlier, just hadn't seen the pictures.


Is there a reason you would really believe this, given that all major human rights organisations and most particularly the International Red Cross were writing to Bush for months and months and months? Like Rumsfeld's assertion that "you don't get a real picture of the sadisitic nature of what went on till you see the pictures", that is complete BS. And it got a nice pat on the back for a job well done from the supposed "Commander In Chief".



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 08:29 PM
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Lawmakers Shocked by New Images of Iraqi Prisoners
Some top Republicans urged that the still pictures and video not be released publicly, saying they could endanger U.S. forces overseas.

"What we saw is appalling. It is consistent with the photos that you've seen in the press to date. They go beyond that in many ways in terms of the various activities that are depicted," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.

"There were some awful scenes. It felt like you were descending into one of the wings of hell and sadly it was our own creation," said Sen. Richard Durbin, an Illinois Democrat. "And when you think of the sadism, the violence, the sexual humiliation, after a while you just turn away, you just can't take it any more.

"I still cannot believe that this happened without the knowledge of those at higher levels," Durbin added.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 08:30 PM
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If those iraqi's are in our prisons, then to hell with them, theyre not innocent.


The Al-Quieda is weak and has to kill defenseless civilians.

I wouldnt be surprised if the Torture rate INCREASES in our prisons for Iraqies, hell, i HOPE it increases, they shall bleed for they're brothers sins.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 08:40 PM
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silQ wrote "so what's worse? porn or a video of a man getting his head chopped off with a dull knife? yes it was a dull knide. they didn't even bother making a clean slice. they basically sawed through his neck. "

The problem with this is that the porno pics aren't the only abuses (pardon me, torture) that occered at Ghraib. Iraqi's died at the hands of American soldiers, while tied up or defenseless. This is still inexcuseable. I have been researching holocaust pics for some time and have made connections between what we have seen at the prison and in the camps in Germany. It is frightening to make such a direct connection, but make no mistake. The events at Ghraib and at Concentration Camps in Germany are identical.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by curme
Bush and Rumsfeld say the first they heard of it was when they saw it on tv. Actually, Rumsfeld said he heard of the abuse earlier, just hadn't seen the pictures.


Is there a reason you would really believe this, given that all major human rights organisations and most particularly the International Red Cross were writing to Bush for months and months and months? Like Rumsfeld's assertion that "you don't get a real picture of the sadisitic nature of what went on till you see the pictures", that is complete BS. And it got a nice pat on the back for a job well done from the supposed "Commander In Chief".


I watched Rumsfeld testifying before the panel and I saw him say he hadn't seen (or had just seen the pictures). I don't really believe that...but I cannot understand why he would say he hadn't. Damned if you do...damned if you don't. If he didn't see them but so many had heard so much about him, he was remiss (gross understatement). If he did see them and didn't stop it, he was condoning terrorist practices. I guess they all agreed it was better to look like a fool than an evil doer.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by SniperEye
If those iraqi's are in our prisons, then to hell with them, theyre not innocent.


Oh that's really enlightened. Like we don't have innocent people in our US prisons? The Iraqis are not all convicted prisoners. They're detainees. The US just can't keep speaking out of both sides of our mouths. Perhaps we're getting a glimpse of what's been happening down in mysterious Guantanamo. And what's with all this "sins of their brothers stuff". Wake up. If no one is willing to stake a stand and be better and act right, no one will.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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these surfacing of these pictures have opened a huge pandora's box, the claims of torture and abuse are coming from many now.

upon surfing some other sites, I came across several articles claiming abuse by U.S military and mercenaries, but I think the mercenaries are a bigger problem than the military...plus this should help many of you understand where these and how these people form negative opinions about Americans.

I think this is related to supposedly fake pics from a porno website...but read for yourself
Rape of Iraqi girls by US mercenaries and soldiers was rampant in Baghdad

Iraqi Horrors: Sons Tortured With Electric: Father Forced to Watch

Young Iraqi Girl Abused Brother forced to Hear Her Cries

Iraqi Family tells of torture

Focus shifts to jail abuse of women

UNICEF disturbed over child abuse claims

Ex-Iraq Official Says U.S. Forces Covered Up Abuses



[Edited on 5-12-2004 by worldwatcher]



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 10:24 PM
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We have lost any kind of moral legitimacy we thought we may have across the planet...just because of this Bush monkey. His presidency is doomed.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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peekay, your comparing innocent jewish people to anti american terrorist exremists

they deserve it



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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The problem with this is that the porno pics aren't the only abuses (pardon me, torture) that occered at Ghraib. Iraqi's died at the hands of American soldiers, while tied up or defenseless. This is still inexcuseable. I have been researching holocaust pics for some time and have made connections between what we have seen at the prison and in the camps in Germany. It is frightening to make such a direct connection, but make no mistake. The events at Ghraib and at Concentration Camps in Germany are identical.


Jews in Concentration camps didn't shoot at nazi troops before being captured. Not to justify the Solder's actions, but we don't know the totality of the circumstances... these tortured could have done anything to get into this prison, killed US solders etc.



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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90 percent of those prisoners were mistakes, according to the Red Cross. When you hear that you will have one of two reactions. It's a lie, or it's the truth. Everyone's mind is already made up one way or the other. LINK



posted on May, 12 2004 @ 11:11 PM
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they shall bleed for they're brothers sins.

Hmm... now where have I heard a comment like that before?
I can only hope you Americans can wake up and vote out your outrageosly hypocritical president.





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