America's history XXX !

Originally posted by JediMaster
Stalin prevented Hitler from entering Russia, and all Stalin did was fight on the Eastern Front. All Stalin did was keep Hitler distracted. The Allied victory at Normandy was more instrumental than any of what Russia did.

I seem to recall the Germans getting stopped on the way to Moscow on the outskirts of Stalingrad.

Stalin let Hitler commit the same mistake as Napolean, trying to fight in Russia in winter. Both mistakes were costly to both sides.

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
I think you talk about the fact that the New World Order, WTC's attacks and Iraq invasion was planned since decades?

Do you realize the size of force that would be necessary to actually implement the 'New World Order'? Did you forget that there are probably over 7 billion people on the planet? Where do you think the size of force necessary to contain that many people will come from? Cloning?

That's so evident, there's no coincidence, I dont need any proof. It's just a question of intelligence, intellectual sincerity.

Evident to you, and that is the only coincidence. Of course you don't need proof. You wouldn't be able to make the claims you do if you needed proof. If it is a question of intelligence and intellectual sincerity, then let yours be that which is in question. Idiot.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
You have no idea what you are talking about! Iraq is not this giant pool of oil - it represents around 2% of the world oil suply! We would have been much better off invading Kuwait or Saudi Arabia if these were our intentions. 1000 billion dollars? so you are saying that we will earn 1/3 of our national budget from these wars? Give me a break.

Nope : "Iraq holds more than 112 billion barrels of oil - the world's second largest proven reserves. Iraq also contains 110 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and is a focal point for regional and international security issues."

usgovinfo.about.com...


Aren't human? These are the guys sending BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of dollars in world relief all around the globe! If they are so greedy, why waste money on these things? If all they care about are dollars, don't you think it would have made sense to stage an Iraqi attack on the US so we could occupy their country indefinatly without world pressure? And what about the fact that the only oil we are getting in return for all of this expense and loss of life is to help pay for their reconstruction?

WORD ! America is blessed by God !

You think the threat are the arabs ? But the real threat is you governement !

I believe any half witt could see that! Did you not see the Berg video? I sugest you watch it, because they would cut off my head, your head, and anyone elses head if we weren't practicing their faith!

When I wrote that the real threat is the governement, I meant, the threat are the governements. Power makes people mad, governements are bad, because these guys can kill millions, even billions people, just to save them life, or their bizness interests.


I am not aware of the subject, so I defer to you.

Read this : perc.ca...

One human life have no value for them. Billions humans life are no value for them.

Sorry, but this aplies to terrorists, not the US government!

Sorry, I'd ask you...who are the terrorists ? Why choosing a date concording to a verse of the Bible, revelation, Chapter 9, Verse 11, and talking about destruction ? Who can do that ? Muslims ? Christian !
This kind of codification ressemble to the CIA ops, Bible, Date, Phone number. I'm curious to know when the created the NENA emergency call phone number.

DELTACHAOS, I dont need any proofs because these fact are evidences. And it aint serial coincidences.


I've noticed that nobody quoted the parrallell I've made with the recent pictures scandals and SALO and the 120 days of sodom, the movie of Pier Paolo PASOLINI.
This film is a critize of the fascism, in his most repugnant form.

I think you know you are wrong but men are proud and they cant admit it.

Because it's not only a parrallel, it's exactly what you are doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.

It's funny and disgusting, with your president "Texas", a state where sodomy is condamned by the law. I dont think it's a paradox, it's hypocrisy. But there is a quote in the bible, a the great babylon, compared to Egypt and Sodom.

Egypt = slavery, Sodom = Err...Iraq

DELTACHAOS, I dont need any proofs because these fact are evidences. And it aint serial coincidences.

What facts? I haven't seen any facts here. Obscure references to religious texts, to which you only refer, and do not list, and reference to ONE movie. Are you one of those people that watch the movie and are so moved by it that you think it is the be all end all of truth in the universe? I think you just might be.

I've noticed that nobody quoted the parrallell I've made with the recent pictures scandals and SALO and the 120 days of sodom, the movie of Pier Paolo PASOLINI. This film is a critize of the fascism, in his most repugnant form.

You see, this is a MOVIE! FICTION!!! The writer and director make the movie intending to illicit a prescribed response from YOU THE FOOL! It is ART! It is designed to affect your emotions, in addition to make money. If this is your all conclusive evidence upon which you claim to know the truth of all things, then may God not laugh at you as hard as I! And heaven forbid he should point in your direction while doing so. I would.

It's funny and disgusting, with your president "Texas", a state where sodomy is condamned by the law. I dont think it's a paradox, it's hypocrisy. But there is a quote in the bible, a the great babylon, compared to Egypt and Sodom.

Egypt = slavery, Sodom = Err...Iraq

Ok, so slavery happened in Egypt. Slavery happened in Australia, it happened in America. It happened in Indonesia. It happened all over Europe. I don't see the point, especially when America is not currently engaging in the use of slaves anywhere in the world. And is your reference to Iraq and Sodom have something to do with Saddam Hussein? If it does, you're off base, and it is only because of your trouble with English. THERE IS NO CORRELATION. Is there?

And moreover and again, where the hell is the quote from the bible? You say there are these quotes from the bible. So you SAY. But what are they. Look them up and put them up here. Not that I'd take them with any seriousness, as people have been inferring from that book whatever they wish, and whatever suits them, just as you are doing now, for centuries.

[EDITED]

[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
What facts?

The date ! 9-11 9-11 911 is a national phone number, right ?

...Hell !

That's neurolinguistic programmation, a subliminal message. But who have done it ? It's a premedited crime !

You see, this is a MOVIE! FICTION!!! The writer and director make the movie intending to illicit a prescribed response from YOU THE FOOL! It is ART! It is designed to affect your emotions, in addition to make money. If this is your all conclusive evidence upon which you claim to know the truth of all things, then may God not laugh at you as hard as I! And heaven forbid he should point in your direction while doing so. I would.

If you start to insult me again, like the message you sent me via u2u, I will stop this discussion with no delay.
I dont defend terrorists, but I try to tell you that the terrorists are not those someone tell you.

No, this movie talk about the nazis and fascists perverstion. And the comparison with the scandal of Iraqis prisonners is simply similar to the theme of the film.

Ok, so slavery happened in Egypt. Slavery happened in Australia, it happened in America. It happened in Indonesia. It happened all over Europe. I don't see the point, especially when America is not currently engaging in the use of slaves anywhere in the world. And is your reference to Iraq and Sodom have something to do with Saddam Hussein? If it does, you're off base, and it is only because of your trouble with English. THERE IS NO CORRELATION. Is there?

No, I was talking about the scandals of Iraqis prisonner.

Right, I know what the french militaries have done during the indochines and algeria war. I dont defend my governement, he is corrumpted. They have a part in NWO, with secret-societies and all you know. Remember that the freemasons have began in France. France also have a debt to the south nations, almost with africa and asia.

And moreover and again, where the hell is the quote from the bible?

The first quote is Revelation Chapter 9 Verse 11 :

And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.

Abaddon mean destruction in Henrew and Apollyon mean destruction in greek.

The second quote is Revelation Chapter 11 Verse 8 :

And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Quotes are from the King James Version of the Bible.
www.blueletterbible.org...


Notice also that the Madrid bombings of March 11 2004 happened exactly 911 days after the September, 11 2001 attacks. And I will also tell you something about the french terrors bombing of 1995, at the Subway station "Saint-Michel". I just need to make a few searches on internet and I will tell you.

Nans....you ask why the hate? Yo started the hate by first saying America is fascist and nazi.....

You stereotyped all of the U.S with not one shred of proof, but just wild allegations.

You want to see some of the evils your own country has done and is still doing? Ok. Lets compare...

" France joins China navy drills
Friday, March 19, 2004 Posted: 0642 GMT (1442 HKT)
HONG KONG, China (CNN) -- Chinese naval vessels and a visiting French fleet are taking part in joint military exercises described as its biggest ever with a foreign power, China's state-run media has reported.

The search and rescue naval drills held Tuesday off the northeastern port of Qingdao come ahead of Taiwan presidential elections this weekend.

China has a history of flexing its military might ahead of Taiwan polls.

Beijing has been especially critical of the March 20 election which will showcase Taiwan's first ever referendum -- something China views as a provocative step towards independence.

China regards Taiwan as a renegade province and says that any moves towards independence would be met with military aggression.

Ahead of the island's first presidential elections in 1996, China staged massive war games and military exercises across the Taiwan Strait, involving land, sea and air forces that staged mock beach invasions near Taiwanese-held islands close to the mainland.

China also carried out missile tests, prompting the United States to send two aircraft carrier battle groups to the region.

The exercises were seen as attempts to intimidate voters into casting their ballot against former president Lee Teng-hui because Beijing feared he would lead the island to a formal declaration of independence."

Excerpts taken from.
edition.cnn.com...

Muaddib------ China is against Taiwanese independance and FRANCE is helping the Chinese government?????

Humm, ok, maybe coincidence, lets see if we can find something else....

What about genocide, what has France done about it, lets see.....------------

"France accused of genocide by Rwanda's leader
By Tim Butcher, Africa Correspondent
(Filed: 17/03/2004)


President Paul Kagame of Rwanda yesterday accused France of direct responsibility for the 1994 genocide of at least 800,000 people in the central African country.

His remarks reignited a bitter diplomatic row bewteen Rwanda and France and threatened attempts to mark the 10th anniversary of the killings with dignity.

M Kagame claimed that the French government supplied weapons, logistical support and even senior military planners to the regime of militant ethnic Hutus responsible for the slaughter of 800,000 ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus."

Excerpts taken from.
www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2004/03/17/wrwan17.xml

Muaddib-----What? FRANCE helping a dictatorship???
Its a shame that back then Clinton was in office, and even thou the US had helped before the Rwandan Patriotic Front, even accepting an RPF godfather into exile in the U.S, Clinton and his administration decided not to get involved..what else could you hope with Clinton...

But, was this just a fluke? was it the only time that France "helped in the genocide of almost a million people, or any genocide" in the not so distant past? Lets see.....Why was France against the war in Iraq?-----


"PARIS � Investigators in Iraq are asking questions about how Saddam Hussein (search) ran the country's huge oil business and why certain countries treated the former Iraqi dictator better than others.

The Justice Ministry in Iraq's interim government recently uncovered documents about suspect oil deals in Saddam's regime, which collapsed in April after U.S. troops succeeded in taking Baghdad.

It reads like a "Who's Who" of the Friends of Saddam club. It's a list of 271 companies, politicians and organizations that allegedly benefited from the former Iraqi regime by getting large amounts of cut-rate oil that would earn kickbacks when sold by oil brokers.

"Instead of using the wealth to reconstruct Iraq � like building universities or highways � he just gave it as gifts to his followers," said Asim Jihad, a spokesman for the Iraqi Oil Ministry (search).

France is one of the countries favored most as the list documents 11 French recipients of oil allotments, including a businessman with ties to French President Jacques Chirac (search), a diplomat who served under Chirac when he was prime minister and a former French ambassador to the United Nations.

"It's pretty clear that Saddam Hussein thought he could influence the French," said Vincent Hugeux, an editor with L'Express Magazine.

The Franco-Iraqi Friendship Association (search) is another group allegedly getting bribes or rewards. Its chief denies getting oil allotments but does admit to getting commissions from French oil firms he helped in Baghdad. "

Excerpts taken from.
www.foxnews.com...

"AS FRANCE'S political leaders feign high-mindedness in their opposition to waging war in Iraq, could it be that a little-publicized threat of blackmail--issued by none other than Saddam Hussein a year after France sided with the United States in the first Gulf War--weighs ever so slightly in the back of their minds?

The threat by the Iraqi leader, published here for the first time in English, was reported in a 1992 French book, now out of print, titled "Notre Alli� Saddam" (Our Ally Saddam). Here's what Saddam said:

As for financiers, industrialists and above all those responsible for military industry, the question must be put to French politicians: Who did not benefit from these business contracts and relationships with Iraq? . . . With respect to the politicians, one need only refer back to the declarations of all the political parties of France, Right and Left. All were happy to brag about their friendship with Iraq and to refer to common interests. From Mr. Chirac [now the center-right president] to Mr. Chevenement [the socialist former defense minister] . . . politicians and economic leaders were in open competition to spend time with us and flatter us. We have now grasped the reality of the situation [of France's support for the 1991 Gulf War, a betrayal in Saddam's eyes]. If the trickery continues, we will be forced to unmask them, all of them, before the French public.
.................

What is known is this: French businesses, led by the oil conglomerates, established warm and profitable relationships with Iraq's Baathist regime dating back to the 1970s, when Iraq ditched Anglo-American companies and nationalized its oil industry. Again, after the 1991 Gulf War, French companies moved aggressively into the business channels opened up by the U.N.'s oil-for-food deal with Iraq. France's defense industry has also profited from sales to Iraq. What's the difference between this and, say, past U.S. commercial ties to Baghdad? The socialist economic model that links both France and Iraq: As is widely documented, few business deals between the state-controlled conglomerates are made without heavy massaging by French politicians. "

Excerpts taken from.

www.weeklystandard.com...


Muaddib------------Ok, so France had deals with Saddam/Iraq (another dictatorship...what is it with France backing up dictatorships?....) that would be compromised if we went to war with Iraq, something some of us knew all along...
Now, lets see how does France stands on the enviroment---------------------------------------------------------

"
1960: France explodes third atomic bomb
France has completed a third nuclear test in the Sahara desert in Africa.
It brings the nation a step closer to its aim of developing a compact nuclear device to arm missiles.

The explosion took place this morning at Reggan in south-western Algeria, according to a communique from the French Armed Forces Ministry.

France's first two atomic bombs were also exploded there earlier this year - in February and April .

The communique stated the "nuclear explosion of limited power" had been successful and that care had been taken to prevent radioactive fall-out from affecting people living in the remote part of the desert, and those in neighbouring African countries.

Japan protests

The test provoked swift condemnation from Japan, which has also protested in the past against tests carried out by the United States, Britain and the USSR. All three nations agreed two years ago to cease test explosions but France would not be bound by such an agreement."

Excerpts taken from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

"
The base of the volcanic island of Mururoa has endured the equivalent of several hundred Hiroshimas. The more than 120 French nuclear tests conducted there have vaporized spheres of rock hundreds of feet across, pocking the bedrock like Swiss cheese, and filling the holes with nuclear waste.

Three years have passed since Russia and the United States set off their last atomic bomb tests. But starting next month, France plans to break this period of silence, exploding eight nuclear weapons at this remote island in French Polynesia.

Despite a worldwide outcry, the French are standing by their plan, first announced in June. Sources at the French atomic energy commission say they plan to test one new nuclear weapon - the explosive for the TN75 missile that is to equip French submarines.

"This was developed over the years, and needs just one more test," says Alain Bartheaux, director of weapons testing for the French atomic energy commission. The other tests, he says, are needed to help develop computer simulations and other alternatives to testing before France signs onto the Comprehensive Test Ban, which is expected to take effect in mid-1996.

The French plans to get in a few final tests have stirred particular concern among the Pacific nations. New Zealand and Australia have cut off military relations with the French - and New Zealand restaurant owners have reportedly poured French wine down the drain."

Excerpts taken from.
sln.fi.edu...

Well, I guess you didn't know enough about your own government Nans, it seems to be worse 1,000 times than the U.S.

BTW, France was, and still is, one of the countries where the so called "secret societies" originated, or were revived at.


[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Muaddib]

I like it!

Anything else to say, Nans?

Nice government, the French.

And i just posted some of the crazy crap that France has done... Here is another tidbit of information for your perusal...

"France and Germany Abet Genocide (Muaddib---------- Abet = assist or encourage, usually in some wrongdoing)

By John Eibner and Charles Jacobs
Boston Globe | March 18, 2003

THE LANGUAGE of human rights flows smoothly from the lips of the leaders of France and Germany. But continuing Franco-German hegemony in Europe is bad news for human rights, especially for victims whose oppressors are European Union partners. Take, for example, the victims of the Sudanese government's genocidal jihad. In the words of U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, there is ''no greater tragedy on the face of the earth than the tragedy that is unfolding in the Sudan.''
For the past 20 years, the regime in Khartoum has bombed, starved, and enslaved black Southern Sudanese with impunity in an effort to subject them to Islamic rule. As a result, over two million black non-Muslims have perished. A further five million have been driven off their land.

Sudanese slaves -- mainly women and children -- are routinely beaten, raped, genitally mutilated, forced to convert to Islam and racially abused. The scale of this ''crime against humanity'' -- as slavery is identified in international law -- is enormous. Credible estimates of the number of Sudan's slaves range from tens of thousands to over 200,000.

For years, these atrocities were largely ignored by the international community. Only in the mid-1990s did the Clinton administration finally wake up to mounting evidence of Khartoum's sponsorship of international and domestic terrorism. The response was robust. The U.S. government declared Sudan to be a terrorist state. It sponsored strong resolutions at the UN Commission for Human Rights condemning Khartoum for slavery and a host of other crimes. Strict U.S. economic sanctions were imposed.

What did the Franco-German duo do? It led the EU in the opposite direction. France provided Khartoum with military intelligence for the prosecution of the jihad, while French and German helicopters have been used for ethnic cleansing in southern Sudan's oil fields. Driving black, non-Muslims out of their homes creates greater security for the investments of oil firms like Total Fina (France/Belgium) and the German engineering giant Mannesmann. "

Excerpts taken from.
www.frontpagemag.com...

The attrocities that FRANCE and other European countries have done are far worse than any attrocities attributed to the U.S government in the last century.

I just really have to laugh when the French and other Europeans take to the streets to protest against the U.S and they don't say anything or know nothing of what their own countries have done.


[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
And i just posted some of the crazy crap that France has done... Here is another tidbit of information for your perusal...

"France and Germany Abet Genocide (Muaddib---------- Abet = assist or encourage, usually in some wrongdoing)

By John Eibner and Charles Jacobs
Boston Globe | March 18, 2003

THE LANGUAGE of human rights flows smoothly from the lips of the leaders of France and Germany. But continuing Franco-German hegemony in Europe is bad news for human rights, especially for victims whose oppressors are European Union partners. Take, for example, the victims of the Sudanese government's genocidal jihad. In the words of U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, there is ''no greater tragedy on the face of the earth than the tragedy that is unfolding in the Sudan.''
For the past 20 years, the regime in Khartoum has bombed, starved, and enslaved black Southern Sudanese with impunity in an effort to subject them to Islamic rule. As a result, over two million black non-Muslims have perished. A further five million have been driven off their land.

Sudanese slaves -- mainly women and children -- are routinely beaten, raped, genitally mutilated, forced to convert to Islam and racially abused. The scale of this ''crime against humanity'' -- as slavery is identified in international law -- is enormous. Credible estimates of the number of Sudan's slaves range from tens of thousands to over 200,000.

For years, these atrocities were largely ignored by the international community. Only in the mid-1990s did the Clinton administration finally wake up to mounting evidence of Khartoum's sponsorship of international and domestic terrorism. The response was robust. The U.S. government declared Sudan to be a terrorist state. It sponsored strong resolutions at the UN Commission for Human Rights condemning Khartoum for slavery and a host of other crimes. Strict U.S. economic sanctions were imposed.

What did the Franco-German duo do? It led the EU in the opposite direction. France provided Khartoum with military intelligence for the prosecution of the jihad, while French and German helicopters have been used for ethnic cleansing in southern Sudan's oil fields. Driving black, non-Muslims out of their homes creates greater security for the investments of oil firms like Total Fina (France/Belgium) and the German engineering giant Mannesmann. "

Excerpts taken from.
www.frontpagemag.com...

The attrocities that FRANCE and other European countries have done are far worse than any attrocities attributed to the U.S government in the last century.

I just really have to laugh when the French and other Europeans take to the streets to protest against the U.S and they don't say anything or know nothing of what their own countries have done.


[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Muaddib]

right on man! you jam it down their panzy euro throats

For 7 years I was a soldier in the United States Army. For 5 years I trained and led soldiers below me. I have known hundreds of American soldiers personally.

THEY AND I ARE NOT WHAT YOU DESCRIBE!

Your biggoted and hateful lack of insight leading to the deliberate insult for which you have since obviously become ashamed, is evident of your lack of intelligence and intellectual sincerity.

No, I won't send you a u2u this time. This time, I'll simply state what I feel here, for everyone to see.

# YOU, YOU STINKING FROG BITCH!

Originally posted by Muaddib
Nans....you ask why the hate? Yo started the hate by first saying America is fascist and nazi.....[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Muaddib]

Yes, you're right, I shouldn't say America, I should say Occident.

In fact, america is just the degenerated part of Europe...

All the settlers who came to america came from Europe.

America is just an european ancient colony.

Look at the history of america, Slavery, Genocide, Murder...

America is a stolen, and that's true, this land had been stolen by european people. Stolen by French, stolen by english, Stolen by spanish, protugueses, german...

Actually, France is not a freedom country, sure, it's a police state. The french governement is corrupted too, and it's not a better governement than the US one.

I wont do like you do, be stupid patriot, conditionned to be able to die for a stupid flag : "cannon flesh"...

I know and I admit that my country is corrumpted.

I dont blindly support a flag that I'm knowing is following an evil policy.

I've tryied to warn you about a some lies, the way some governements use the terror threat to impose a police state regime. I know that because i've lived that , you know, after the 1995 bombing, France became a police state, and it's actually a police state, true.

Muaddib, dont think I'm blind, I know these exactions and crimes committed by the french governement, and I know probably these better than you.

But I've read your replies and know I'm sure you are not intelligents persons. You just act like sheeps. You think like sheeps. Your only arguments you have are attacks on my country, but I've never said that france was better than america. But you think like if life was a
football game, you defend you're team, even in the defeat... But life is not a game...

Yesterday, I had some remorses and I wanted to apology, because my thread was inflamed because of the recent pics of misthreatements, done by american good boys and girls.

But now that I've read the Deltachaos insults, second time, I prefer to stop this discussion.

You are not intelligent, you cant stay calm, and you dont know what you are saying.

Morons cant change, I prefer stop this discussion. No matter if you reply.

The degenerated part of Europe? WEll, if that isn't quite the laugh.

Nans, you are an obsessed creature that is quite disturbed. For one, I am sick of your continuous attack on my nation. You state stupidity as if it is fact, and blame all the woes of the world on us. The amount of good done in the world far outweighs any bad we've done, and as far as the war in Iraq, you act as if the vicious dictator that we unseated was more desirable than us. Of course, maybe I can understand that as your nation was benefitting from under the table deals with him, and that is not conspiracy theory as what you spew.

Why don't you find something else to chase after other than yourt perception of us being bad? As a matter of fact, you can attack your own country for a while. If you need topics, I can help you.

While we all try to discern between
Our cup of tea and we call obscenity
The house's legislation
ripped the phoney foundation
off what we thought inherent
Sent Joey to the Supreme Court

'Cause he made a statement
they called it desecration
of the symbol that was meant to represent
the freedom of so called choice and dissent
They almost had me believing it
They were bleeding him
He said, "Burn, baby, burn"
'Til the street samurai
said to my face that
any flag that's worth a #
was woven from fire in the first place

Nothing more to say.



[Edited on 15-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Wait what's this topic have to do with XXX? Isn't that supposed to stand for porn? Sorry if im saying anything bad.

Originally posted by AD5673
Wait what's this topic have to do with XXX? Isn't that supposed to stand for porn? Sorry if im saying anything bad.

Yes, the XXX stand for porn, like the pictures of Iraqis prisonners.

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
Actually, France is not a freedom country, sure, it's a police state.

France a police state?? that has to be the most ludicrous statement i've ever heard. France is far from a police state, it doesn't even show any signs of becoming one.

So America is following an evil policy, right. I will admit that i don't like America, but atleast they are doing something to make the world a better place. America has removed one of the evilist men, Saddam hussian, from power and is trying to make Iraq a better place. [B]Nans, i don't see France doing anything about global terrorism or about Iraq.

Whats the point of France having an army if they are not going to use it?. Do you really think the French diplomatic route of Iraq would of worked?No. Trying to get Saddam Hussian to step down is like trying to Neo Nazi's to wear pink outfits. It isn't going to happen.

All i can say is this, Jay Leno was right..

"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!"

Link

I'm amused by your continued use of fascism as representative of the US. Enlighten us, what is fascism? Since you seem so knowing I suppose I could learn a lot from you

(and if you say dictatorship I'll laugh my ass off)

Yes, the XXX stand for porn, like the pictures of Iraqis prisonners.

Oh so thats what you meant.

[Edited on 15-5-2004 by AD5673]

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
Yes, the XXX stand for porn, like the pictures of Iraqis prisonners.

Nans, Thats sick and twisted.