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Why can’t Creationists teach an alternative? Are the ‘free thinkers’ - atheists scared of som

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posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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Eternity has NO time, no past, present or future


So basically the universe is in the beginning and the end at the same time? This all is an illusion?

It still begs the question. Why at this point in the illusion and not any other point?




posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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k well , bill maher can't stand the guy. his jokes suck . nothing funny about
the guy. imo, i've never seen a more self righteous idiot.
i mean here 's a guy who thinks he's got it all figured out.
truly a legend in his own mind.
about einstein, newton, and darwin, yes i did know that. all the smart ones.






[edit on 19-8-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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In response to:-


Not the "awareness or consciousness" is faulty but the systems that produce this property. This isn't hard to understand. NDEs and DEs both feature the heart stopping or something similar and without oxygen our brains falter.


Sorry to disappoint you, but the Brain was Not involved, as I said!

What I experienced had Nothing at all, to do with the brain as you are so wishing it did, but I was Not Aware of your world or what I had experienced as flesh but in fact was Editing the workings within a system you Know nothing about and I suspect you would be unable to understand as you can only apply human understanding to it.

Your judgement is based again, on what you don't know !

I am NOT intending to be facetious when I say this but just stating a Fact that You don't know all!

But this is part of Your experience to discover these things.

Don't stick your . in the ground and Deny Reality.

Reality is far stranger than Fiction.

Prove to me if you can, that I was perceiving this experience, through the Decoder/Encoder or as you call it the brain.

There is No way you can, because you know absolutely nothing at all, about what happened and only assume in ignorance (Lack of Knowledge)...


But I can understand you reasoning, but at the same time can't thank the All enough, for what I witnessed and came to be shown over the last 36 years of my life!



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Well then fine, your argument is sorta made moot by the fact that I didn't say consciousness or awareness was faulty, rather I said the faculties involved in sensation and perceptions were which is what happens when you deprive the brain of oxygen.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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k well , bill maher can't stand the guy. his jokes suck . nothing funny about the guy.


What are you talking about? How is this relevant to this topic?

Bill Maher might or might not be funny, but he had the guts to confront those unfunny people of the moral majority and any fundamentalist organization.

I am glad to have a guy like him in the media.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller
 


Well then fine, your argument is sorta made moot by the fact that I didn't say consciousness or awareness was faulty, rather I said the faculties involved in sensation and perceptions were which is what happens when you deprive the brain of oxygen.


Wasn't referring to the above statement but am pointing out to you there is more to this than you can realise.

And that this which I experienced is very very common.

But don't listen to only the negativity that is out there, consider there may be more to this, than what you are aware of at this stage of your life....


If you don't ask you won't find out!

If you ask the right questions you shall find the right answers...

But if you ask the wrong questions, then you shall find the wrong answers!



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:08 AM
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"Why can’t Creationists teach an alternative?

Because their viewpoint is myopic


Are the ‘free thinkers’ - atheists scared of something"

Yes, myopic viewpoints


A literal answer to the question(s) as posed.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
k well , bill maher can't stand the guy. his jokes suck . nothing funny about
the guy. imo, i've never seen a more self righteous idiot.
i mean here 's a guy who thinks he's got it all figured out.
truly a legend in his own mind.
vou really have to watch out for people like this guy.
living one big raspberry of a life. he comes on my t.v. i turn the channel.
he is gay right? what chick would ever? euw.




randy?

Are you on the right site/thread.....???


Come back friend.....


OT



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by EdCase512
"Why can’t Creationists teach an alternative?

Because their viewpoint is myopic


Are the ‘free thinkers’ - atheists scared of something"

Yes, myopic viewpoints


A literal answer to the question(s) as posed.



one more time myopic ED??????


Are both myopic?

Wrong??

Right????


Try again ok?

OT



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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DA, OT thinks Randy hit the wrong button?

Bill Mayer? Truly funny! Pretty wise, too...

I'm just waiting for the day when he comes to JC, and promotes Sarah Palin!!!!!!


I'm sorry, I was just asleep/dreamin'....I'm back now....


OT just ajokin'



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Lol. I like you. I can't put my finger on you. Can't decide if you are a fundie or not.

DA thinking you might be getting it.


ok to keep this post on topic: Why can't Creationists teach an alternative?

They CAN.... if they can provide some evidence.

If you are talking about ID, then I am with you.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:27 AM
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Yeah I think he hit the wrong button. Bill Maher has nothing to do with this thread.

Yes Bill Maher is very funny. I used to watch him when he was on one of the major networks. Then I used to watch him on HBO.

Loved his style of debate and loved how he had the ability to take all different kinds of people on his show. That takes a lot of work and celebritiy but he did it.

Though, I think he did hit upon teaching Creationism in school few times.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Billl?????

Smart for sure....an example....get the most po-dunk, 3 teeth hillbilly....you can find...to SPEAK for the church...as THE Spoke-person....brilliant


Just wish he'd pick the ole guy to "rep" the church...never happen...darn!

Bill OT's out here!!!!!!! If you can find me funny man???? If not Ned or Jed, u'll have to do



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Smart for sure....an example....get the most po-dunk, 3 teeth hillbilly....you can find...to SPEAK for the church...as THE Spoke-person....brilliant


Are you saying that Jerry Falwell and some other promenient religious leaders are hillbillies with few teeth? Wow, can't say that I disagree with you here.


But who would you want to speak for the church? Especially for teaching Creationism (in whatever form) in classes.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by Deaf Alien]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Funny thing really...

NO ID then nothing can exist.... LOL..

There is something that Controls the All...

Fortunately Not human thinking...

DNA sure is Design and fortunately of a little more intelligence than that of a human primate Thank God.

It still beats me why people can't accept LIFE or The True Mind as The Christ Confesses in an Ancient Writing called...

The Thunder Perfect Mind...

Found easily on the Net.


How can anyone of Intelligence, Deny Intelligent Design ???

It does Not have to be apart from us but we are part of what Created All in the First place.

As it is said We (The Consciousness or Mind) are the offspring so I guess those that are Anti ID Know Not LIFE or The Christ or the First begotten...

From the Gospel of Thomas...


49. Jesus said,

“Blessed are the Solitary and Elect,
for you will find The Kingdom.
For you are from it,
and to it you will return.”

50. Jesus said,

"If they say to you,
'Where did you come from?'
say to them",
"We came from The Light,
the place where The Light
came into being
on Its own accord
and established Itself
and became manifest
through their Image.”

If they say to you,
“Is it you?”
say,
“We are its children, and we are the elect
of The Living Father.”

If they ask you,
“What is the sign of your Father in you?”

say to them,
“It is Movement and Repose.”

51. His disciple said to Him,

“When will the repose of the dead come about,
and when will the New World come?”

He said to them,
“What you look forward to
has already come,
but you do Not recognise it.”


Hmmmm....


[edit on 19-8-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Deaf Alien
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Smart for sure....an example....get the most po-dunk, 3 teeth hillbilly....you can find...to SPEAK for the church...as THE Spoke-person....brilliant


Are you saying that Jerry Falwell and some other promenient religious leaders are hillbillies with few teeth? Wow, can't say that I disagree with you here.


But who would you want to speak for the church? Especially for teaching Creationism (in whatever form) in classes.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by Deaf Alien]



Falwell's gone, so OT will remain respectful...."big guy, was he", sorry for the Yoda.

Spoke-person, huh?

Good question?

Well, maybe somebody that DID NOT 'grow up' in the church?

Somebody, that is kenesic?

Somebody, that is BEYOND trying to prove themselves?

Somebody, that others/skeptics, can't put thier finger on...kinda like my boy JOSEPH!!!!!!!!

Donny O and the coat!!!!!!!!
www.osmond.com...



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Why are creationism and evolution mutually exclusive. The truth usually lies between the extreme. Why could there not be a force in nature call it god if you like,, that guides the flow of evolution. There is you know so why don't both sides at least accept it as a possibility and be done with all this squabling.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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I support ID.

But still my question has not been answered.

The problem of the ONE and the MANY. Or perhaps both.

The infinite number of individuals or a single consciousness.

People who support the single consciousness of the ALL has yet to answer questions. For example, why am I conscious of myself and not you? If the answer is hidden from me, then why and how is the universe and other beings working without me?

If it is hidden from me, then I am an individual being without the knowledge of others or I would have known the inner workings of the universe.

I forgot what I was going to say. I am a little inebriated at this moment.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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Why are creationism and evolution mutually exclusive. The truth usually lies between the extreme. Why could there not be a force in nature call it god if you like,, that guides the flow of evolution. There is you know so why don't both sides at least accept it as a possibility and be done with all this squabling.


What do you mean by Creationism? Do you mean that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago? Created by a Judeo-Christian God? What?

You have to pick a god and a story and then present evidence.

BUT, if you are arguing for ID, then I am with you.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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kenesic


What does that mean?



Well, maybe somebody that DID NOT 'grow up' in the church?


Like who? Do you have a suggestion?



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