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reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 01:43 PM by calihan_12

um you obviously didnt read the rest of what I said.

I was mainly making the point that certain religions do preach for people to have more children. I know firsthand.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 01:43 PM by TheAftermath

reply to post by FlyersFan

Exactly what I was referring to when I said brainwash.

Religious indoctrination of children should be considered child abuse.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 01:45 PM by calihan_12

also, on another note, my parents werent sexual freaks. my mom just wanted a daughter more than anything and she had 4 boys before she got to me, and then she finally gave up and got her tubes tied.

cant blame it all on religion.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 01:52 PM by Rockpuck

Wait a moment.. even religious people need to have sex? It's a natural process .. it's biological..??

Part of the reason that religious people may have more kids is many religions ban contraceptives.. I know many Christian denominations ban them, as well as varying other religions like Islam and such.

It's also a natural Human tendency to have more kids.. the smaller family units are actually a progression of economics.. the more money a family makes the less kids they have (hence poor folks with more kids).. the trend in smaller families only started in the 60's-2000's ..

Another reason for bigger families is, well some people come from bigger families. I came from a mid size family of 3 other siblings, I imagine when the time comes I would like to have the same size family of my own. Nothing religious about it.

As far as the Priest are concerned.. in my local area a priest was accused of molestation .. it was made into national headlines. The same year a Protestant pastor was running a sex slave operation from a church by manipulating his congregation... it made local headlines for a day. The point being, there are disgusting creepers in EVERY religion, and in every organization.. who we tend to correlate into generally being creepers is apparently based on the Media, and the Media have their own agendas, in America's case that is blatantly anti-Catholic. Not surprising..

Me thinks you have come to some hasty conclusions based on .. nothing.

PS. In the sack, I think we are all .. freaks.. in our own right.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 01:53 PM by Takka

Originally posted by calihan_12
also, on another note, my parents werent sexual freaks. my mom just wanted a daughter more than anything and she had 4 boys before she got to me, and then she finally gave up and got her tubes tied.

cant blame it all on religion.

Same here , I have 5 brothers , it had nothing to do with religion , it was because my mother kept trying for a girl , but never got one , then gave up on the idea , but that doesn't really matter because they could afford it .
If religious or poor people where just having sex non stop without contraception then most couples would be having at least 20 plus kids each !
Its ludicrous to suggest such an insane hypothesis

I mean , I have no children , I'm not particularity religious , but I'm sure if I wasn't careful I'd have at least a handful lol

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Takka]

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 02:37 PM by kinda kurious

Originally posted by FlyersFan
One tenth of one percent of Catholic priests were involved in the pedophilia scandel.

Please FF, stop spewing more disinfo. Your less than 1% is unsubstantiated and based on your own biased opinion. Not that you have an ounce of credibility left after your last ruse.

The accurate number is 4%, or 4,392 pedophile priests.

Please read the facts:

A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States
by the US Conference on Catholic Bishops

Source: www.sarabite.info...

Quote from Page 10 of above PDF:

According to Church records, however, there were credible allegations that several thousand priests, comprising four percent of priests in ministry over the last half century, committed acts of sexual abuse on minors.

MORE NOT SO FUN FACTS:

US clerics (priests, deacons, bishops, etc.) accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392. About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years. .

Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.

Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.

Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)

www.sarabite.info...

This scandel is personal to me for a myriad of reasons.

This stuff ruins lives and steals hopes and dreams. I REFUSE to stand idly by while someone spews nonsense. If you'd like suicide data from actual victims, I have that handy too.

Not done yet:

Father Shanley also sexually abused me on the evening of my father's funeral after approaching me to express his condolences

www.bishop-accountability.org...

The Millions of dollars paid as hush money will not make this tragedy go away as long as I'm breathing.

On topic:
So yeah I'd say sexual freaks hide under the cloak and the cloth of religion.

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reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 02:50 PM by AshleyD

reply to post by Better Mouse Trap

Originally posted by Better Mouse Trap
Bible thumpers are some of the most buck wild freaks in the bed IMO.

Seriously though, in many religions, sex between a husband and wife is sacred. So it's no holds barred in the marital bed. If one goes by the book, we're to abstain until marriage. After that, marital sex is given a full blessing. Some religions or branches of various religions teach sex should only be for procreation but in other religions there are no limits.

If religious believers are frequently mating once married, I don't see the problem with that. What is the alternative? Skipping around and having children out of wedlock? Laying in bed at night playing chess with one's spouse?

Also, the amount of children a couple has doesn't necessarily reflect the amount of sex. For instance, couples who believe in contraception could be having sex quite frequently while those couples with eight children could only have sex when they are attempting to have children if they are from a religion that only believes in sex for procreational purposes.

Why are you all uptight about?

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 02:57 PM by jd140

Didn't the vatican once say that those who didn't believe in God were sexual freaks? Sex, Sex, Sex was all they thought about. Gay sex, straight sex, sex with animals and sex in groups. Everything you can imagine those blasephemers did it.

That was during the middle ages, if I am remembering correctly. Of course it wasn't true, so I guess its only fair for those who aren't religous to spread the same lie in order to further their revenge.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 03:02 PM by Ulala

There was a guy at my work who was a devout Catholic. He had 8 children by the age of 30.

One of my co-workers said he should put a clothespin (clothespeg) on his manly bits.

I misheard and thought she meant he did put clothespins on it ... for bizarre sexual kicks.

Of course I passed the gossip on. And by the time it'd gone round the whole office he'd become an S&M specialist with a penchant for pain and pleasure. People never quite looked at him in the same way again.

Poor guy. He left shortly afterwards.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 03:26 PM by Takka

This may be slightly off topic , but anyone who has studied history and religion will know that catholicism has nothing to do with worshipping God or what Jesus taught what soever .
Its it absolute and unadulterated paganism and occult Luciferian worship in its purest form , there can be not doubt about that in the upper echelons of the church . The initiated.
The only ones who don't know who they are really serving are the devout catholics themselves .
Its sad , because even if God or Lucifer do not even exist , the powers that be believe full heartedly in Lucifer , and they rule the world , there can be no doubt about that .

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 04:15 PM by toasted

reply to post by TheAftermath

[ ref: brainwashing ]

I didn't realize it was the religious types that controlled network tv!!!!

WOW!!!

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 06:43 PM by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by AshleyD
Laying in bed at night playing chess with one's spouse?

Knight jumps Queen.

I love Mel Brooks.

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 08:07 PM by tinfoilman

reply to post by Better Mouse Trap

Wait what? Do you have sex? Have you ever tried it? It's real fun. What's wrong with getting it on with the wife? I don't understand.

So someone that has sex with their wife is a freak now? Is that how far we've come? Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?

Wow you people are really messed up if you think a man and his wife getting it on makes them freaks? Really, that's a freak?

Come on, I've seen clown porn on the Internet before. Now those people are freaks. Are you married? Do you know what it's like to put up with a wife? If you're not having sex with her then you've eliminated more than half the reason of even having a wife.

Are you trying to say you hate children or something and that's why you're against sex?

Yeah, I like to get it on with my wife. Does that make me a freak?

reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 06:56 AM by FlyersFan

reply to post by kinda kurious

I have just as much info that says it's 1%.
But 1% or 4%, or any number in between ... what I said still stands.
The FACTS of psychology are that pedophiles see good hunting grounds.
They insinuate themselves into those hunting grounds.
Public schools have MORE incidents of sexual abuse and at a higher
percentage rate then the Catholic Church.
Protestant churches have their fair share of sexual abuse as well.
No one excuses any of the abuse. However, many like to focus on
the Catholic church while 'forgetting' the rest and the higher incidence
of these problems in the public schools.

You know that. It's been told to you many times.

ON TOPIC/OP response-

Being celibate doesn't cause someone to be gay.
Being celibate doesn't cause someone to become a pedophile.
Being married doesn't make someone more spiritual then somenoe who isn't.

Originally posted by jd140
Didn't the vatican once say that those who didn't believe in God were sexual freaks? Sex, Sex, Sex was all they thought about. Gay sex, straight sex, sex with animals and sex in groups. Everything you can imagine those blasephemers did it.

OY ... got any proof of that to share?

That was during the middle ages, if I am remembering correctly..

1 - You do realize the middle ages were 500 years ago, right? Did you know that during the middle ages people thought birds were born from trees? Ignorance in the middle ages spanned everyone and everything. Hell ... I can see that it still does in the year 2009.

2 - How about you post some links with facts next time. That would be helpful.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Why are you all uptight about?

Good Question.

Originally posted by tinfoilman
I've seen clown porn on the Internet before.

OMG ... I'm too old to be hanging out here!

[edit on 8/18/2009 by FlyersFan]

reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 07:44 AM by kinda kurious

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by kinda kurious

The FACTS of psychology are that pedophiles see good hunting grounds.
They insinuate themselves into those hunting grounds.
Public schools have MORE incidents of sexual abuse and at a higher
percentage rate then the Catholic Church.

And The Catholic Church has no obligation to "screen" priests?
To do background checks?
To permanently ban them rather than simply move them to another parish?
To solve the core problem rather than pay "hush" money with out-of-court settlements?

Ouch, pass around the plate..........

FACTBOX: Quotes on $660 million Catholic abuse settlement

www.reuters.com...

Child abuse is horrific and illegal. However few priests actually serve any jail time.
To trivialize it by claiming it is "on par" with abuse by other institutions is abhorrent.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'm too old to be hanging out here!

I couldn't agree more.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by kinda kurious]

reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 08:03 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by kinda kurious
And The Catholic Church has no obligation to "screen" priests?
To do background checks?

Where, exactly, did I say that? No where.

How many pedophiles say 'yes, I'm a pedophile' during the interview process?

As for background checks .. that's diocese by diocese ... a few examples ..
(and I have no idea at this point what was done, or not done, before 2002)

Education week - 2002
Diocese of Trenton
Gallup Diocese
Diocese of Lafayette

What do the protestant churches, the jewish and muslim faiths, the buddhists, and the public and private schools have in place for background checks on their teachers and religious leaders? What did they have in place 10-15 years ago? 20 years ago?

Background checks for public school teachers isn't keeping the pedophiles out. They are still running around abusing children at a higher rate then the Catholic and Protestant schools.

Pedophiles are masters at stalking.
They are cunning animals who see prey and know exactly how to hunt.

To permanently ban them rather than move to another parish?
To solve the core problem rather than pay "hush" money with out of court settlements?

Absolutely - the church officials screwed up and are a major part of the problem that happened.

KEEPING WITH THE TOPIC - being religious has nothing to do with becoming a 'sexual freak'. These people were 'sexual freaks' before they became priests. Same with the 'sexual freaks' that are protestant ministers and public school teachers. Heck .. even the AMISH have problems with sex-preds.

You keep focusing in on the pedophiles that became Catholic priests. The point the OP was making was that being religious makes you a sex freak. The fact is that there are a small percentage of pedophiles, not only in the Catholic clergy, but in the protestant clergy and THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM as well. Pedophiles are pedophiles BEFORE they take a positioin of authority (physical, emotional, religious) over people. That position doesn't change a persons sexual orientation. It was well established BEFORE they got in that position.

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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 08:07 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by kinda kurious
To trivialize it by claiming it is "on par" with abuse by other institutions is abhorrent.

More lies. (I'm not surprised)
No one 'trivialized' it.
I stated facts putting it in proper context and in line with the topic of this thread.

There are pedophiles everywhere, even more so in the public schools.
Being religious doesn't make a person a 'sexual freak'.
They are 'sexual freaks' before becoming religious leaders.

reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 10:49 AM by kinda kurious

Originally posted by FlyersFan
What do the protestant churches, the jewish and muslim faiths, the buddhists. . .

A common asrgument among Catholic apologists. (With the exception of Muslims) Catholics represnt the 2nd largest form of religion worldwide.

And for the record, it was your prior post that sought to defend the RCC in this thread in response to another poster, not mine, I merely jumped in to dispel shallow arguments and DISINFO.

I've witnessed this false assertion based on percentages within other forms of religion. (i.e. a larger percentage of abuse in a less widespread religion will make it appear comparable when, in fact, the statistics are based on percentages vs. actual numbers.)

Pie chart source
For example a 10% report of abuse reported in a Protestant faith would pale to the 4% (or 4,392) cases as reported by the church itself. (BTW, Many critics argue the abuse is actually much higher.)

ON TOPIC:
Sexual freaks hiding under cloak of religion.

God, bless this broom as we sweep our misdeeds under the rug of righteousness. Amen.

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[edit on 18-8-2009 by kinda kurious]

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:04 PM by Rockpuck

reply to post by kinda kurious

Keep in mind however, there is no scientific proof that these people were actually molested, raped by a priest. I am not saying it didn't happen.... just that there is hardly any proof. What's to stop me from saying the priest back in 4th grade touched me during confession? Nothing. And I could join in on one of these class action lawsuits and make a few hundred grand doing it..

reply posted on 19-8-2009 @ 01:18 PM by TheAftermath

I think this about sums things up.

Pretty accurate in America these days.